Clarke Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 The Research and Analysis Wing, India's external intelligence service, is facing allegations of incompetence after three Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives who, it claimed, were about to conduct a suicide-squad operation in western India turned out to be living at their homes in Lahore and to be businessmen, not terrorists. The Mumbai police issued warnings earlier this week after receiving information on what they said was an imminent plot to target two of India's largest oil refineries: Reliance Industries' plant at Jamnagar in Gujarat and Mittal Energy's unit at Bhatinda, Punjab. Five Pakistani Lashkar-e-Taiba operatives, the police alleged in briefings for the media on Wednesday, had infiltrated India to execute the operation. Though periodic warnings have been issued on the threats to the plant the last by the Intelligence Bureau in May this warning was unusually specific, and accompanied by photographs of the Lashkar team. Late on Wednesday evening though, a Pakistani television show host revealed that the men were living in Lahore: two running shops at the Hafeez shopping complex in Lahore's Gulberg district, and the third a guard employed on the premises. The revelations led shopkeepers in Lahore to stage demonstrations in support of the two men, while the Jamaat-ud-Dawa said this showed that India falsified information on Pakistani involvement in terrorist strikes, including 26/11. Both men also moved the Lahore High Court on Thursday, seeking protection against any possible action by India, and have told The Hindu that they intended to petition the Indian High Commission in Islamabad to be formally exonerated. No official explanation has been offered by New Delhi for the apparent debacle. A fresh alert was issued in Pune after local intelligence officials warned that the suicide squad could strike the city. The RAW officer with supervisory responsibility for issuing the alerts did not respond to a query from The Hindu. Elusive answers The testimony from the two men who spoke to The Hindu from Lahore threw up as many questions as it answered. Late on Wednesday, shopkeeper Mahtab Butt said he had on a whim used Google to search for the word êndia.' The search led him to an India Today group site. There, he discovered a photo of himself, fellow storeowner Atif Butt and night guard Muhammad Babar, illustrating a story on the alleged Mumbai terror plot. Mr. Butt said he immediately called Pakistani television show host Mubashir Lucman a controversial figure known for his dogged support of the religious right with the news. Three separate Google searches conducted by The Hindu did not lead to results with India Today on the first page, raising questions about this account ÃÕhough, in all fairness, results using the site often vary by region. Later that evening though, both Mr. Butt and Mr. Atif Butt provided The Hindu with a quite different version of events. The two men said they had learned of the report from a common friend, whom they identified as Khubaab. Neither man could explain where the photographs of them clearly personal in nature, rather than the kinds typically used in passport or driving-licence applications were taken. Nor did they have any explanation for what led them, or their friend, to search for information on India late in the evening. Duped by ISI? Highly placed intelligence sources in New Delhi said the photographs had been obtained from an individual they described as a ÅÕrans-border source a euphemism for smugglers who often conduct espionage in return for some degree of impunity from law-enforcement agencies. The sources noted that the first photographs of the suspects had been released on the Internet at 8.21 p.m., while Mr. Lucman revealed their true identities less than an hour later fuelling suspicion that the photographs might have been planted by Pakistan's own intelligence services to discredit the RAW. The New Delhi-based intelligence officials said the affair pointed to underlying problems in India's post-26/11 intelligence reforms key among them, pressure to circulate information before it could be thoroughly corroborated. The intelligence was passed on to the Mumbai police through the Intelligence Bureau-run Multi-Agency Centre the core of the proposed National Counter-Terrorism Centre but its credibility does not appear to have been questioned by other agencies. The intelligence debacle, the RAW's worst fiasco in years, is the latest in a series of embarrassing intelligence failures, among them the listing of individuals held in Indian prisons in a government dossier on the alleged fugitives in Pakistan. Though there was no corroboration of the threat from other agencies or communications intelligence, the Mumbai Police decided to make the information public. ŵhe consensus, an officer present at the meetings told The Hindu, ÅØas that it was best to get the information we had out there, in the hope of at least embarrassing the ISI into calling off the operation. No one wanted to be accused of withholding information, in case something happened. Ū guess it was a bad call, he said. http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/article3405466.ece?homepage=true What just happened :hmmmm2:
ganeshran Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Must have been planted images by their intelligence. RAW should do more diligence before releasing information to the media.
1983-2011 Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 1. Mehtab Butt (Center) Shop Owner 26 LG, Hafeez Center, Main Boulevard, Gulberg III, Lahore Phone 042-35713798, CNIC No: 35202-4221503-3 2. Atif Butt (Right) Shop Owner Sun Mobile 125 Lower Ground, Center, Main Boulevard, Gulberg III, Lahore Phone 0321-8884565, CNIC No: 35202-1394712-7 3. Baber (Left) Security Guard at Center, Main Boulevard, Gulberg III, Lahore . 7Vhs46KpWEI&feature=relmfu cOAc6QM5iic&feature=relmfu jMt2-NhC20E :facepalm: but :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: at the same time
asterix Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 Whoa!! What a huge achievement for Pakistan.. Hope they can **** on this achievement of exposing RAW for months together and forget about other pressing issues..
CSK Fan Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 So ISI's roll basicallyis now limited to trolling RAW
mishra Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 They have been pissing on CIA for ages now. What did RAW thought? Sharing/relyin on intelligence with/from ISI EGGG OF FACE
Clarke Posted May 11, 2012 Author Posted May 11, 2012 ^^ RAW & ISI cooperating There just seems to be a double agent of some sort.
Desi Cartman Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 its better to be extra cautious and be alert on all leads.
Texy Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 those guys look like sleeper agents...who knows may be they were scheduled to sneak into India later and changed plans as soon as their pics were posted
KhanSaab Posted May 11, 2012 Posted May 11, 2012 ^^ RAW & ISI cooperating There just seems to be a double agent of some sort. I doubt ISI would waste such a well placed double agent for mere trolling purposes.
Clarke Posted May 12, 2012 Author Posted May 12, 2012 ^^ Where does the detailed piece of information such as photographs of multiple suspected cross border terrorists come from ? They mention smugglers who surely can't have access to critical information by themselves.
KhanSaab Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 ^^ Where does the detailed piece of information such as photographs of multiple suspected cross border terrorists come from ? They mention smugglers who surely can't have access to critical information by themselves. Who knows. Just dont think ISI or any agency would burn a double agent for such trivial reasons.
achilles Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 Egg on face? This is egg on face? Those guys got anally raped for hiding Osama in their country and have -100 on the credibility table. And they call this "egg on RAW's face"? We need to stop criticizing our own agents and agencies. Everyone makes mistakes. CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI5, everyone does. That doesn't mean we castigate them the way our media is. We need to stop getting trolled.
Pioneer Posted May 13, 2012 Posted May 13, 2012 Egg on face? This is egg on face? Those guys got anally raped for hiding Osama in their country and have -100 on the credibility table. And they call this "egg on RAW's face"? We need to stop criticizing our own agents and agencies. Everyone makes mistakes. CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI5, everyone does. That doesn't mean we castigate them the way our media is. We need to stop getting trolled. Touchy touchy. Happens bru
someone Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 I would gladly take a false alarm over a non-functional alarm. So, This is no issue for me.
ganeshran Posted May 14, 2012 Posted May 14, 2012 The problem here is the overwhelming desire of the government and the agencies to go public with the information and recieve kudos. Intelligence agencies are supposed to work in the background not advertise their findings. Second mistake was to give verifiable information in the public domain. If you are not sure about the source, why give information which can be verified to be false, just issue a blanket warning about terrorists sneaking in. Photographs could have been provided to the respective state agencies instead. So, even if it was false, at best we would have some babus being more alert than usual
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