Trichromatic Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 Sachin Tendulkar reckons it would be impossible to find an able replacement for Rahul Dravid. "Rahul has been an incredible player for India and for world cricket. Nobody is going to be able to replace Rahul in that position," Tendulkar said. "You need someone to be dedicated, be committed and disciplined. The entire country will miss him because we were all used to Rahul padding up batting at number 3. "So obliviously these things will continue to happen because that's how the game goes around for years. Before our generation, there were so many great players but the game continues," Tendulkar told a news channel. Asked if there was any problem with the system, Tendulkar responded in negative. "I don't think we can point our fingers at our structure because with that same structure we hit the number one spot. So if there was something wrong with the structure, we would have never reached that spot. "I just feel, you know, that if you compare the Australian series and you felt they always managed to get one big partnership. We were able to pick up early wickets, then invariably there was one partnership which tilted the game in their favour and there were not many big partnerships in our side." "There are two ways to look at it. The batsmen aren't scoring enough runs and on the other side the bowlers are allowing that one big partnership because one side was getting that advantage of one big partnership, the other side was not," Tendulkar said. "Every season is important but this one I am sure everyone is looking for because it is England followed by Australia. It is going to be a competitive season. "All I can say is we need all the backing, all the support to put up a good performance and produce that kind of cricket that everyone is expecting us to, and entertain everyone." According to the veteran batsman from Mumbai, the series against New Zealand will set the platform. "We are playing a Test series after a long time in India and it is against the top two Test sides, England and Australia. The series against New Zealand, I feel, that is going to set a good platform and will be important. We are looking forward to it," said Tendulkar. http://www.espnstar.com/cricket/international-cricket/news/detail/item826701/Tendulkar:-Dravid-is-irreplaceable/
SLICKR392 Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 The entire country will miss him because we were all used to Rahul padding up batting at number 3. Would be really different when someone else comes at No.3. :((
Old guy Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 Would be really different when someone else comes at No.3. :(( i cant imagine indian test team like this :((
Crookbond Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 I think we should move over Dravid. Yes - he was great (and according to some Appam *******'s overrated :facepalm: ) but he's gone. Yes - we will miss him. But, the last thing we need to do is sulk in nostalgia. We need to unearth a new player who will make his name like Dravid. A name who the bowlers would like to bang their head against. A new WALL.
Old guy Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 I think we should move over Dravid. Yes - he was great (and according to some Appam *******'s overrated :facepalm: ) but he's gone. Yes - we will miss him. But' date=' the last thing we need to do is sulk in nostalgia. We need to unearth a new player who will make his name like Dravid. A name who the bowlers would like to bang their head against. A new WALL.[/quote'] :antijinx: :beee:
Mariyam Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 I think we should move over Dravid. Yes - he was great (and according to some Appam *******'s overrated :facepalm: ) but he's gone. Yes - we will miss him. But' date=' the last thing we need to do is sulk in nostalgia. We need to unearth a new player who will make his name like Dravid. A name who the bowlers would like to bang their head against. A new WALL.[/quote'] Who is the 'we' that you talk of? How is we ( ICFers, i.e) sulking along the narrow corridors of nostalgia going to have any impact on anything? How exactly are 'we' going to unearth a new player? What has that to do with reminiscing over Dravid?
Crookbond Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 Who is the 'we' that you talk of? How is we ( ICFers, i.e) sulking along the narrow corridors of nostalgia going to have any impact on anything? How exactly are 'we' going to unearth a new player? What has that to do with reminiscing over Dravid? :facepalm: "WE" equates to Indian cricketers not ICF'ers. Nothing ICF'ers do impacts the Indian team, FYI.
Mariyam Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 :facepalm: "WE" equates to Indian cricketers not ICF'ers. Nothing ICF'ers do impacts the Indian team, FYI. You clearly underestimate the power of the 'ICF jinx'.
Crookbond Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 You clearly underestimate the power of the 'ICF jinx'. I am not superstitious. :beee:
goggi Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 Asked if there was any problem with the system, Tendulkar responded in negative. "I don't think we can point our fingers at our structure because with that same structure we hit the number one spot. So if there was something wrong with the structure, we would have never reached that spot. "I just feel, you know, that if you compare the Australian series and you felt they always managed to get one big partnership. We were able to pick up early wickets, then invariably there was one partnership which tilted the game in their favour and there were not many big partnerships in our side." :hysterical: Another gem from the master. Anyone notice the frequency of Sachin's babble increasing by the day with nonsensical content. The system got lucky. With unlimited resources the system should be churning out Dravids and Sachins by the dozens.
adi B Posted July 13, 2012 Posted July 13, 2012 :facepalm: "WE" equates to Indian cricketers not ICF'ers. Nothing ICF'ers do impacts the Indian team, FYI. u are wrong, some of the cricketers secretly visit icf to gain knowledge, info,what we make of them, some technical glitches, some tips, many other things as well DTW( aka sreesanth ) not included....
vamos_rafa Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 :hysterical: Another gem from the master. Anyone notice the frequency of Sachin's babble increasing by the day with nonsensical content. The system got lucky. With unlimited resources the system should be churning out Dravids and Sachins by the dozens. What else do you expect him to say? That the system is crappy and we just came out of chance? System or no system, players like Sachin and Dravid are once in a lifetime players, who can never be churned out in dozens per se. Australia has the best possible system, so as per your theory, they should have already churned out 3-4 McGraths and Warne's. He knows much more than keyboard warriors like you and me.
goggi Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 What else do you expect him to say? That the system is crappy and we just came out of chance? System or no system, players like Sachin and Dravid are once in a lifetime players, who can never be churned out in dozens per se. Australia has the best possible system, so as per your theory, they should have already churned out 3-4 McGraths and Warne's. He knows much more than keyboard warriors like you and me. Mcgrath and Warne aren't exceptions, Australia have always produced great bowlers. Whilst the likes of Sachin and Dravid are/were playing into their 40s without even a hint of competition from younger players, that's where the system has failed. System works for Sachin because he still playing. Australia's system tries to maximize it's limited resources, not only in Cricket but across all sports. They have a strong grass-root program supported via schools. Same goes for the likes of South Africa and to an extent Sri Lanka. And they continuously produce capable of cricketers with like 1% of resources compared to what BCCI have at their disposable. And why is it always about Sachin and Dravid, the system has yet to produce a "great" Indian bowler who would get into an all-time XI? Every other Test nation has at least one sub-25 bowler whilst we still wait for India's first.
Spiderguy252 Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 What is that hogwash about us getting early wickets followed by a huge partnership? That just happened because Cowan, Warner and Marsh couldn't hold a bat for nuts.
Crookbond Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 What else do you expect him to say? That the system is crappy and we just came out of chance? System or no system, players like Sachin and Dravid are once in a lifetime players, who can never be churned out in dozens per se. Australia has the best possible system, so as per your theory, they should have already churned out 3-4 McGraths and Warne's. He knows much more than keyboard warriors like you and me. I wouldn't blame Tendulkar for what he said but I guess you're missing one point. A good system doesn't guarantee good outcomes but increases the probability of having good outcomes. Australia is a great example of this not just in the last 20 but about 70 years or so. They have managed to be the best team in world on more than just one occasion. So while a good system doesn't automatically make you the best team in the world it increases your chances for that spot and it's a much better situation to have rather than relying on extraneous factors or chance.
CSK Fan Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 :hysterical: Another gem from the master. Anyone notice the frequency of Sachin's babble increasing by the day with nonsensical content. The system got lucky. With unlimited resources the system should be churning out Dravids and Sachins by the dozens. The thing about internet is that it provides any idiot with a modem an opportunity to type their non-sense on the internet with alarming frequency. The post I quoted is a prime example BTW, for those of us who are old enough to be actually employeed, what Sachin said is a polite tribute to a colleague. Of course there will never be other Dravids, though there will be players who might add more or less than him in their own ways. As anyone who has been to work at any level will know, one always describes their colleagues who are leaving, or about to leave, or a senior in their company, as 'irreplacable'. This is just a tribute to that persons years of dedication to the company. Of course the company always survives even after the person leaves, but that doesnt mean his contribution to the company cannot be acknowledged which is what Sachin is doing. He never said we wont have a player better than Dravid ever coming up, he just said that Dravid is irreplaceable.
goggi Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 I wouldn't blame Tendulkar for what he said but I guess you're missing one point. A good system doesn't guarantee good outcomes but increases the probability of having good outcomes. Australia is a great example of this not just in the last 20 but about 70 years or so. They have managed to be the best team in world on more than just one occasion. So while a good system doesn't automatically make you the best team in the world it increases your chances for that spot and it's a much better situation to have rather than relying on extraneous factors or chance. Exactly, the current system hasn't really ever worked. Sachin is basing his assertions on reaching no.1, which happened to come after a very long time. And if the likes of Dravid, himself, or Sehwag are going to be "one off", then Indian cricket is in very sad state of affairs after 50 odd years of playing it. In other words the current system isn't working, especially with resources available.
vamos_rafa Posted July 14, 2012 Posted July 14, 2012 I wouldn't blame Tendulkar for what he said but I guess you're missing one point. A good system doesn't guarantee good outcomes but increases the probability of having good outcomes. Australia is a great example of this not just in the last 20 but about 70 years or so. They have managed to be the best team in world on more than just one occasion. So while a good system doesn't automatically make you the best team in the world it increases your chances for that spot and it's a much better situation to have rather than relying on extraneous factors or chance. I do agree to what you say about the system. Infact I myself mentioned that Oz has the best possible cricketing system. The point I was trying to make is when the other person said that a system should ensure that, by nowm, we should have had a dozen Sachin or Dravid's. These players are proven greats and we did have some kind of a system which ensured that the talent is not lost. Moreover, we also have had a fair share of our ow ATGs, but yes, collectively speaking, we have done well only sporadically. And this is where the system thing comes in. A good system from the grassroots does increase the chances and that is where we are lagging now.
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