SLICKR392 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 According to some tweets it seems that Murali Karthik was booed off the field because he 'Mankaded' Somerset's Alex Barrow. Tweets. 6.05pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey Chris Adams, Surrey team director, has been to the press box to talk about the run-out incident. He revealed that Barrow had been warned, earlier in the over, by Kartik for backing up too far although a warning is no longer a requirement of the law. "I think in terms of upholding the laws of cricket it was the right decision (but) I think the situation certainly challenges the spirit of cricket, said Adams". That is regrettable. I will support the captain in this because I have been out there in many, many situations where it is very intense. These are very intense days for a lot of teams, but especially us. It has been a very, very difficult summer (Surrey young player Tom Maynard died in mid-summer) and we find ourselves in a position where every point, every wicket and every run appears to be of the highest premium. Adams recalled the dismissal of Ian Bell at Trent Bridge last year, when India ran him out after he thought tea had been called. In that incidence they (India) had 20 minutes of a tea-break to reflect, discuss and consider and whether it was right to change that decision. I think we all breathed a sigh of relief when that decision was overturned. I would like to think that had we been afforded the same 20 minutes that perhaps we would have come to the same outcome. Perhaps we wouldn't. But Gareth is very forthright he considered everything and he got to that decision for the right reasons. He's had to reflect and asked himself if he made the right decision. HeÃÔ convinced that in that decision he did. Would he in the future make the same decision? He doesnÃÕ know. I would suggest maybe in the goodness of time we could all say that the one thing that hasn't been totally upheld is the spirit of cricket, and that is regrettable. Kartik, meanwhile, has tweeted: "Everyone get a life, please.. if a batsman is out for a stroll inspite of being warned does that count as being in the spirit of the game?" 4.35pm: David Lloyd at Somerset v Surrey There is real anger here, and hardly surprising. When Surrey players left the field at tea they were booed into their dressing room as spectators gathered by the Andy Caddick pavilion. One man, who announced himself as a Surrey member, shouted that Batty and Kartik should resign, adding that the team should be Ashamed of themselves. And among the comments from Somerset supporters was the cry: "And you are a disgrace to cricket". Somerset captain Marcus Trescothick, who has promised to speak after the dayÃÔ play, came down during the tea interval to placate a home supporter who was particularly furious. But a 20-minute interval did nothing to reduce the general strength of feeling. When Surrey trooped out for the final session, with Batty and Kartik in the leading group, the boos rang out again. http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-live/archives/2012/08/lv_county_championship_thursda_14.php
Pagalpanti Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Why have the f'in law if it is never meant to be used?
suraj Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 These are the kinds of things that make cricket sometimes seem like a sport of ***gots if you are not going to keep your legs closed you are bound to get ****ed at some point- if you can't stay in the designated crease you are stupid or not cricket smart so stop making spirit of game noises and follow the rules why should somebody get the advantage of a head start & get benefit for stealing a quick single
maniac Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Karthik got this 100% right....His tweet says it all so that should be / of discussion for any whiners crying about it
veer Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 These are the kinds of things that make cricket sometimes seem like a sport of ***gots if you are not going to keep your legs closed you are bound to get ****ed at some point- if you can't stay in the designated crease you are stupid or not cricket smart so stop making spirit of game noises and follow the rules why should somebody get the advantage of a head start & get benefit for stealing a quick single ^^ eggjatly!!
Lord Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 this spirit of cricket thing is dumb in this day n age:facepalm:
SLICKR392 Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 Kartik run-out of Barrow sparks anger Surrey were booed from the field here and called "a disgrace to cricket" by angry spectators after their India spinner Murali Kartik ran out Somerset batsman Alex Barrow for backing up too far and then the captain, Gareth Batty, refused to withdraw the highly contentious appeal. http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/content/story/580074.html
sreej Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 This part of the match report is particularly interesting. Kartik, who was angry last winter when some Somerset supporters criticised his conduct regarding a move to Surrey, had been ticking all afternoon - whooping and hollering with delight as he won lbw decisions against James Hildreth, Chris Jones and Jos Buttler in quick succession after lunch. Then, just before running out Barrow, he sarcastically applauded the youngster following a lofted straight drive that whistled for four. Also, this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/counties/9510425/Surrey-spinner-Murali-Kartiks-run-out-of-Alex-Barrow-triggers-angry-scenes-at-former-club-Somerset.html
maverick451 Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 I dont have a problem with what he did, he warned the guy so fair enough.
superstar Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Stupid English. Batsman was trying to cheat and bowler did the right thing. Spirit of the game...my foot.
SLICKR392 Posted August 30, 2012 Author Posted August 30, 2012 he warned the guy too it seems Yes, he did. Rory Macqueen @jeff_wode @kartikmurali Did you warn him? Kartik Murali @kartikmurali @jeff_wode yes of course and the umpire knows it too
Trichromatic Posted August 30, 2012 Posted August 30, 2012 Just change the rule and award 5 penalty runs to the bowling side (or deduct 5 from batting side) every time non-striker backs up too far. Then such incidents won't happen again in future. So called spirit of the cricket would remain intact and no one would be feel bad about it.
jind Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Don't know what the fuss is about. It's pretty straight forward. I'm with Kartik here. Running a batsmen is against the spirit of the game now? :hysterical: If they're that concerned about the spirit of the game, then amend the rule.
Tapioca Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Just change the rule and award 5 penalty runs to the bowling side (or deduct 5 from batting side) every time non-striker backs up too far. Then such incidents won't happen again in future. So called spirit of the cricket would remain intact and no one would be feel bad about it. There was a rule (probably still is) that if the non striker backs up too early, the umpire can call dead ball, just as he does for deliberate padding. That never gets used. There is absolutely no need to warn a non-striker who taking unfair advantage. Cricket is still in the victorian era for some stuff like this.
Tapioca Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Law 42. 16. Batsman stealing a run It is unfair for the batsmen to attempt to steal a run during the bowler’s run up. Unless the bowler attempts to run out either batsman - see 15 above and Law 24.4 (Bowler throwing towards striker’s end before delivery) - the umpire shall (i) call and signal Dead ball as soon as the batsmen cross in such an attempt. (ii) inform the other umpire of the reason for this action. (iii) return the batsmen to their original ends. (iv) award 5 penalty runs to the fielding side. (v) inform the batsmen, the captain of the fielding side and, as soon as practicable, the captain of the batting side, of the reason for this action. (vi) together with the other umpire report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the batting side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain and players concerned. Have you ever seen this implemented ?
Tapioca Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Again quoting from the lords.org site : "So, the bowler may attempt to run out the non-striker during his run-up before he enters his delivery stride (when his back foot lands for the last time before delivering the ball)." See how early the non-striker has to leave the crease to get out this way.
jairamesh Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Law 42. 16. Batsman stealing a run It is unfair for the batsmen to attempt to steal a run during the bowlerÃÔ run up. Unless the bowler attempts to run out either batsman - see 15 above and Law 24.4 (Bowler throwing towards strikerÃÔ end before delivery) - the umpire shall (i) call and signal Dead ball as soon as the batsmen cross in such an attempt. (ii) inform the other umpire of the reason for this action. (iii) return the batsmen to their original ends. (iv) award 5 penalty runs to the fielding side. (v) inform the batsmen, the captain of the fielding side and, as soon as practicable, the captain of the batting side, of the reason for this action. (vi) together with the other umpire report the occurrence as soon as possible after the match to the Executive of the batting side and to any Governing Body responsible for the match, who shall take such action as is considered appropriate against the captain and players concerned. Have you ever seen this implemented ? good one. number (iv) should solve the issue quite quick.
phaedrus Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Surrey express regret after Kartik 'Mankading' A contrite Gareth Batty effectively admitted that he made a mistake "in the heat of battle" in not withdrawing the appeal that resulted in Somerset's Alex Barrow being run out for backing-up too far - a practice known outside England at least as 'Mankading.' The Surrey captain accepted full responsibility for the decision and said: "The last thing I wanted was to bring the spirit of cricket into disrepute." Although acceptable within the laws, 'Mankading' is regarded within the English game as being a breach of etiquette and is an unpalatable act for many players, as well as fans. County cricket has remained wedded to such mores since the late nineteeth century but attitudes are now blurred, especially outside England, to the point where for the tradition to survive it might ultimately have to be written into the playing regulations. Somerset and their supporters were incensed when Murali Kartik, their former spinner, removed a bail and appealed for a run out after non-striker Barrow had wandered out of his crease. The young batsman had already been warned by Kartik, earlier in the over, for leaving his ground too soon - a caution the bowler did not need to deliver under the laws on the subject, which were rewritten last year. As captain, Batty was asked by umpire Peter Hartley whether he wanted the appeal to stand. "In the heat of the battle I made the decision that, according to the letter of the law, it was the correct decision for him to be out," said the former England spinner. Batty said that "hindsight was a wonderful thing" and suggested that if - like India during last summer's Test at Trent Bridge when Ian Bell was reinstated following a controversial run-out incident - he had enjoyed the luxury of a 20-minute tea interval to reconsider events, a different outcome would probably have resulted. "People obviously think the spirit of the game has been brought into disrepute - that was not my intention and I thoroughly apologise for that," Batty said. He added that he would be speaking to Marcus Trescothick, Somerset's captain. "I want to make sure it is right with Marcus and his team," he said. Trescothick is not the sort of person to hold a grudge but he was clearly cross with what he had witnessed. "It's not what you come to expect in county cricket - I've never seen it before," the former England opener said. "That was quite astonishing and disappointing. The game doesn't need to come to that. It's not the game we like to play. It annoys the players and upsets the players. But we'll move on, come back tomorrow and carry on playing the game." Chris Adams, Surrey's team director, was also in placatory mood. "I think in terms of upholding the laws of cricket it was the right decision but I think the situation certainly challenges the spirit of cricket," said Adams. "That is regrettable. "I will support the captain in this because I have been out there in many, many situations where it is very intense. These are very intense days for a lot of teams, but especially us. It has been a very, very difficult summer [surrey's young player Tom Maynard died in an accident on London underground in mid-summer] and we find ourselves in a position where every point, every wicket and every run appears to be of the highest premium." Adams also recalled the dismissal of Bell against India last year, run out after he thought tea had been called. "In that incidence they India had 20 minutes of a tea-break to reflect, discuss and consider and whether it was right to change that decision," he said. "I think we all breathed a sigh of relief when that decision was overturned. I would like to think that had we been afforded the same 20 minutes that perhaps we would have come to the same outcome. Perhaps we wouldn't. "I would suggest maybe in the goodness of time we could all say that the one thing that hasn't been totally upheld is the spirit of cricket, and that is regrettable." As for Kartik, he apparently could not understand what all the fuss was about, tweeting: "Everyone get a life please... if a batsman is out on a stroll, in spite of being warned, does that count as being in the spirit of the game?" If its against the spirit of the game then make it illegal. If its legal then whats the big f***ing deal?
suraj Posted August 31, 2012 Posted August 31, 2012 Bloody British ***gots - living in Victorian period forever
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