beetle Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Even by the infamous Indian standards of gender discrimination, this is truly stunning. When a high court judge promotes the suffering of women as a natural course of affairs, Things are as bad as they can get. Here are some gems of judicial wisdom: Last week, during the hearing of a case between a separated couple, K Bhaktavatsala, a Karnataka high court judge, told the woman, who had accused her husband of regularly beating her: Ÿomen suffer in all marriages. You are married with two children, and know what it means to suffer as a woman. Yesterday, there was a techie couple who, reconciled for the sake of their child. Your husband is doing good business, he will take care of you. Why are you still talking about his beatings? ThatÃÔ not all. Earlier, on August 9, the judge during the hearing of a matrimonial dispute told a young woman lawyer, ŧamily matters should be argued only by married people, not spinsters. You should only watch. Bachelors and spinsters watching family court proceedings will start thinking if there is any need to marry at all. Marriage is not like a public transport system. You better get married and you will get very good experience to argue such cases. Justice Bhaktavatsala, IÃÎ sure, is no stranger to the Indian Constitution, which guarantees equal rights to women and men. But then, on second thoughts, whatÃÔ so sanctimonious about the Constitution any more? The custodians of the present social and political order treat the ÃÉoly book as a mere shield (against the likes of Anna Hazare), handy, in warding off attacks, even when they are legitimate, on themselves. If our MPs and MLAs and the executive can disregard the Constitution as and when they please, what prevents the legal luminaries from following in their footsteps? The frightening thing is that Justice Bhaktavatsala has spoken aloud the very misogynist thoughts that motivate hundreds and thousands of attacks on women, with such deep conviction. Not to mention his blithe indifference to the office that he occupies in the judicial system, even as he mocks the Constitution. This judge has no qualms telling an unmarried woman lawyer to ÅÃetter get married? The gist of his sermons: All women and men should get married, if only to secure the legitimate right to speak about that social institution. A single woman, in Justice BhaktavatsalaÃÔ perception, is less competent to argue in family court proceedings. According to the judge, a ÃÔpinster? having no experience of married life, has no locus standi to speak on the subject. . If sharing similar experience is the ultimate qualifying yardstick to speak in matrimonial disputes, then by that same standard, Justice Bhaktavatsala (not having the experience of a battered wife), should remove himself from any case of domestic abuse. But no, Justice Bhaktavatsala isnÃÕ constrained by his ÃÊnexperience in the matter. He asks the wife to adjust with an abusive husband, because he is Ã…Ã…oing good business? and ÅØill take care of her. In fact, the judge further expands his argument and asks the woman to accept beatings by her husband as a routine (necessary too?) aspect of marriage, the institution he advises every woman to be part of. Is this the voice of the law or ôave the Marriage Foundation? http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/rough-edges/entry/what-s-so-objectionable-about-wife-beating shocking!
India-KXIP fan Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 tldr But this is obviously wrong, cant be justified unless for self defence. Parents beating kids however is fine (there are limits though).
Crookbond Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Beetle, I have also made a thread for women atrocities in India may be a good place to archive such articles [1]. Here's a fantastic view point in mid - day on the issue in the OP and another incident where a woman was not allowed to enter Bombay HC because she was wearing a sleeveless top :facepalm: [2]. [1] http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=285455 [2] http://www.mid-day.com/columnists/2012/sep/050912-Lets-not-skirt-the-real-issue.htm
DomainK Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Beetle' date=' I have also made a thread for women atrocities in India may be a good place to archive such articles [1']. Here's a fantastic view point in mid - day on the issue in the OP and another incident where a woman was not allowed to enter Bombay HC because she was wearing a sleeveless top :facepalm: [2]. [1] http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=285455 [2] http://www.mid-day.com/columnists/2012/sep/050912-Lets-not-skirt-the-real-issue.htm This is not a big matter BTW. Courts are known to do that. If she wanted to go to a court or if she was summoned, she should have worn proper clothes. Even in place like US and UK, who are very sensitive towards issues like women's and citizens' rights, courts are known to have asked people to get out for wearing slippers or low-cut t-shirts etc. Yes, most people would run into trouble with the judge for wearing a sleeveless dress to a court, even in the western countries.
beetle Posted September 7, 2012 Author Posted September 7, 2012 Beetle' date=' I have also made a thread for women atrocities in India may be a good place to archive such articles [1']. Here's a fantastic view point in mid - day on the issue in the OP and another incident where a woman was not allowed to enter Bombay HC because she was wearing a sleeveless top :facepalm: [2]. [1] http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=285455 [2] http://www.mid-day.com/columnists/2012/sep/050912-Lets-not-skirt-the-real-issue.htm Can you move it? If so...please do the needful.
DomainK Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 @Beetle: This is a perfect opportunity for the SC to make an example of this man and send the right message not only to the people, but also to the other judges that hold a similar opinion. This simply can not go unpunished.
Crookbond Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 This is not a big matter BTW. Courts are known to do that. If she wanted to go to a court or if she was summoned, she should have worn proper clothes. Even in place like US and UK, who are very sensitive towards issues like women's and citizens' rights, courts are known to have asked people to get out for wearing slippers or low-cut t-shirts etc. Yes, most people would run into trouble with the judge for wearing a sleeveless dress to a court, even in the western countries. DK, Let us discuss each case by it's merits. What is wrong in the way she was dressed? :dontknow:
punjabi_khota Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 ^Abbe court ke liye dress code hota hai, you can't just drop by wearing whatever you want. Yahaan US mein, even for traffic courts they won't allow if you come in sneakers or open toe sandals etc.
beetle Posted September 7, 2012 Author Posted September 7, 2012 I don't think she is dressed indecently...but I do believe she is dressed inappropriately. I don't have a problem with sleeveless but jeans is definitely not for court.People should be dressed more formally at such places. Domi...what is worrying is that her male colleagues went to the same place and were allowed in twice wearing sleeveless T shirts.The rules should be followed irrespective of gender. Another problem is with the definition of appropriate or formal wear in a diverse nation as ours. Some places in the south do not approve of salwar kameez(like guruvayur temple) A formal western outfit may be ok in Goa or Mumbai but not be considered 'decent ' in some outher parts. The lady in question was definitely not dressed appropriately but by no means dressed indecently. This is another case of sensationalizing silly issues while real issues are ignored.
The Outsider Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 ^ I had gone to contest a ticket once and they did not allow a guy in a vest.
India-KXIP fan Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08PYMuCJYnk]JUDGE JUDY Stupid Christian Wears Mini-Dress to Court - YouTube[/ame]
PaceAttack Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 The young generation thinks they can do whatever they want and get away with it. That dress is not appropriate for a court room. I don't know why such fatties wear tight jeans..!!. It looks gross.
Laaloo Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 I was just at the court a couple of days ago because of a parking ticket. They don't allow hats and one guy was told to take his hand off the table or whatever it's called.
Mariyam Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 DK' date=' Let us discuss each case by it's merits. What is wrong in the way she was dressed? :dontknow:[/quote'] There isn't anything wrong in the way that she was dressed. However the court has a dress code. Litigants, judges and those summoned have to follow the dress code. The court can also fine a person Rs.2500 for not adhering to the said code. And they have done that at times. There was this guy I remember, who wore beach sandals and 3/4th with a lousy T and was asked to pay the fine. The first case that I handled which went to the HC, my boss had instructed me to wear strict formals (in that law firm casuals do unless we had a client meet). So I wore a jeans and a formal shirt and took along the cloak. But the boss asked me to go home and put on a formal pant instead. Luckily I didn't stay that far and could be back in time. :mad: In the High Court many of the rooms and ante chambers are still in the old British style. The ceilings are very high and the fans very far away and the ACs (in the few rooms they exist) non functional. It gets so sweaty there. :mad: Trust me, wearing full length formals and a cloak (not always a necessity) was be a pain. But that's how the court rolls.
CSK Fan Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 So how does it work in India for the judge in the OP? Can someone file a PIL for him being unfit for his post?
Desi Cartman Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 Legal system (I mean courts) are epic fail at the moment but things are improving.I was pleasantly surprised when informed that judges these days are going out of their way to resolve/close cases and are taking interest in cases where females are the victims. The problem is that the whole system is messed up. Property papers to statement/fir by police can be changed. The judges IMO are doing a better job than what they were known for till 10-15 years ago. Having said that my experience is based on a single case and that too in courts of south delhi and mostly high court. Things are pathetic in thanas (women cell), victims can be found bleeding, bare feet , scared for their lives while they plead the cops that their in laws are waiting outside and will kill them.
punjabi_khota Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 The judge has been removed from handling family cases.
Brainfade Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 What a horrible piece of crap this is. But then again, people on this board support gender discrimination via female feticide as long it is the mother's choice that she wants only male children.
Lurker Posted September 7, 2012 Posted September 7, 2012 What a horrible piece of crap this is. But then again, people on this board support gender discrimination via female feticide as long it is the mother's choice that she wants only male children. Come on CA, that must have been just a poster, or two, but people on this board? I find that hard to beleive
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