Lord Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Same mistakes again. We need to bring in the pace. He is not wayard either, accurate. Team is crying out for a guy who bowsl 85 and touches 90 at times. Give it back to oppo. Fitness not issue as guy has bowled loads of overs in domestic and this is not test matc, just odis, he will be fine. we have pace in Shami.rest Pandey and BK can do okay. domestic cricket is different.we don't know whether he bowled at full pace. team just needs one good bowler to replace Ishant.if hes fast or not doesnt matter in ODIs Link to comment
bulbul Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Whenever we have played with four fast bowlers, two things happen. One the captain gets banned, two we lose. MS Dhoni's reasons for sticking with two spinners overseas :hysterical: Link to comment
CG Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 we have pace in Shami.rest Pandey and BK can do okay. domestic cricket is different.we don't know whether he bowled at full pace. team just needs one good bowler to replace Ishant.if hes fast or not doesnt matter in ODIs Shami is not ur out and out quickie and there is too much pressure on shami and he will break down soon with b.k and ishant not being able to pick wickets.Aaron is good at the death and more likely to pick wickets than most other options as he has shown in his short odi career so far. Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Aaron is accurate as well as quick. There should be no problem in including him. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Don't know about Shami. He looked in discomfort and might have strained his back. Akalpit Link to comment
CG Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 We will burn shami to ground,there is too much pressure needs rest now. Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 He is clueless. Says bowlers kept it under 300 did their job. Still does not understand differnece between home and away. How away many pitches favour bolwers and particulary seamers. How many out fields are bigger and slower then glass out fields in India. The man has no idea. 6 matches overseas since new gen and not one win. How does he retain his job? Gurantee if does drop ishant will play Ishwar(not saying ishwar is bad) and wont go for the quality fast man waiting in the wings in aaron. Almost deserate for replacement to fail so ishant comes back in. Any replacement will get one game, if has a bad over out! Meanwhile Ishant wont get one game but a whole year to prove himself!! Just imagine if the support and backing given to Ishant had been given to someone like Yadav!!! Can't believe this is the dhoni that won t20 wc. Clearly isn't as he hasnt made the semis since that year. Back then he played irfan, rp, sreesanth and joginder - 4 pacers and now he complains that playing 4 pacers will mean that they will lose? Even if you wanted binny, he would have been better than ishant. Then you could play 3 pacers and jadeja. Dhoni complains about the rules and how they don't have fast bowlers, well yes they do, but he benches them. He doesn't understand the basics of bowling. As long as score is under 300, he is happy?! Why not under 200? Why not get the pacers in to take wickets, why always go for economy? (doesn't get that with ishant or ashwin) I dare patil to sack dhoni, if he has the guts to do it and if he knows that that is what's best for indian cricket. We may lose matches but i'd rather we lose with the right tactics. We are losing games because of ishant Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I give up on Dhoni,what a dumb thing to say.he aint winning a game in WC15 with 2 spinners. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournament/india-in-new-zealand-2014/top-stories/Playing-four-pacers-not-an-option-MS-Dhoni/articleshow/29071426.cms Link to comment
asterix Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I give up on Dhoni,what a dumb thing to say.he aint winning a game in WC15 with 2 spinners. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/cricket/series-tournament/india-in-new-zealand-2014/top-stories/Playing-four-pacers-not-an-option-MS-Dhoni/articleshow/29071426.cms Let me take it out of my heart once more... DHOBI... YOU A THIRD GRADE MOFO... AND YOU VERY WELL KNOW THAT... Link to comment
cowboysfan Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Let me take it out of my heart once more... DHOBI... YOU A THIRD GRADE MOFO... AND YOU VERY WELL KNOW THAT... all other teams are playing with 4 fast bowlers,why cant we do it? this is the lamest thing i have heard from an international captain. Link to comment
ThePhenomenal1 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Hope selectors wake up and see that we aren't winning anything with this combo, so how will we retain the world cup? Surely the selectors don't want to mess up their good work now... Best option: sack dhoni as captain, keep him as mid order bat. Kohli as captain but back him to make own decisions. Drop ishant and make sure he never plays until he fixes his wrist position and skill Drop raina and make him work to get back in. Put rohit on notice. Bring in rayudu instead of raina. Make sure we can play 4 pacers or 3 + seam all-rounder if we find one. Jadeja/Mishra/Rasool/Ojha as spin options Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 "It isn't an option," he stressed, underlining his strategy and stubbornness for the rest of the series. Ashwin went for 52 runs while Jadeja gave 61 in nine on a pitch that didn't take turn or allowed the ball to grip. "I think the spinners bowled pretty well. They didn't get wickets, but they built pressure which is also important," he argued. Dhoni, however, conceded that their roles will change when they play outside the sub continent. "As the home team will never make pitches that turn, they will have to keep varying pace and length," he said. Kaun sa pressure? Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Dhoni is talking about lacking pace and bounce in his attack. Forget about what we are saying. He himself is saying it time and again. Yet, he does not have Umesh in the squad. In the first ODI, he should have jumped at the opportunity of including Aaron. Even if he is not bowling at full pace, he has the ability to hit the deck hard , something Dhoni is apparently looking for desperately. I do not get it. Ishant continues his scrambled seam , 130 k , lollipop supply business. Playing 2 spinners abroad makes no sense. Playing Raina, without any break , inspite of his obvious problem against the short ball. Dhoni is finding it very difficult to captain outside the subcontinent. The Champion's trophy looks like an exception. His decision making is very difficult to understand. Link to comment
NareshK Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Dhoni is talking about lacking pace and bounce in his attack. Forget about what we are saying. He himself is saying it time and again. Yet, he does not have Umesh in the squad. In the first ODI, he should have jumped at the opportunity of including Aaron. Even if he is not bowling at full pace, he has the ability to hit the deck hard , something Dhoni is apparently looking for desperately. I do not get it. Ishant continues his scrambled seam , 130 k , lollipop supply business. Playing 2 spinners abroad makes no sense. Playing Raina, without any break , inspite if his obvious problem against the short ball. Dhoni is finding it very difficult to captain outside the subcontinent. The Champion's trophy looks like an exception. His decision making is very difficult to understand. He depends on spinners a lot in the middle overs. On wickets which dont assist spinners, they fail to pick wickets and stop runs, so he looks lost. Only solution is a seamer all rounder but our options are not too great IMO. Perhaps Binny could prove to be good or Rishi Dhawan could fill the gap. Raina needs to be dropped but he proved in the past as an excellent lower order hitter and a finisher, so perhaps he is being given more chances to get back to form and work on playing against short ball but dont think its going to work. His problem seems not only technical but also mental. He seems too preoccupied and nervous to face short deliveries. Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 He depends on spinners a lot in the middle overs. On wickets which dont assist spinners, they fail to pick wickets and stop runs, so he looks lost. Only solution is a seamer all rounder but our options are not too great IMO. Perhaps Binny could prove to be good or Rishi Dhawan could fill the gap. Raina needs to be dropped but he proved in the past as an excellent lower order hitter and a finisher, so perhaps he is being given more chances to get back to form and work on playing against short ball but dont think its going to work. His problem seems not only technical but also mental. He seems too preoccupied and nervous to face short deliveries. Our lack of seaming alrounders is obviously a problem. But it still seems better to try out new or even ordinary ones outside the subcontinent. The 2 spinner formula, which is a winning one in our country, is becoming a liability abroad. Maybe, if we had Murali or Warne type spinner, who could turn the ball on any surface, it would have been different. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Don't think Dhawan will do worse than Ashwin or Jadeja on these pitches. Thing is talking about having no seam alrounder is nonsense when our spin bowling All-rounder jaddu isn't actually an All-rounder. It is not like he is scoring runs with the bat to be called an All-rounder. Akalpit Link to comment
express bowling Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Don't think Dhawan will do worse than Ashwin or Jadeja on these pitches. Thing is talking about having no seam alrounder is nonsense when our spin bowling All-rounder jaddu isn't actually an All-rounder. It is not like he is scoring runs with the bat to be called an All-rounder. Akalpit That is a key point really. Jadeja has been just a bowler in international cricket. Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted January 20, 2014 Author Share Posted January 20, 2014 He leaves the two fastest bowlers in India out and then moans Has to be sacked Link to comment
NareshK Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 That is a key point really. Jadeja has been just a bowler in international cricket. He can be a decent hitter lower down the order in conditions suited for him. He has played some good cameos in ODIs in India and Champions Trophy. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 He can be a decent hitter lower down the order in conditions suited for him. He has played some good cameos in ODIs in India and Champions Trophy. Yes, in India, not much overseas in bouncy conditions. He will always play in India, but you need to play team according to conditions. Akalpit Link to comment
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