Indian Cricket the way forward to success

[MCcricket]

Since India's loss in England and Australia and the ongoing down spiral looks like the good work done by Kirsten , Ganguly and the other big names of Indian cricket has been on decline, mainly because of the Outgoing selectors and Dhoni, India was lucky to have good set of selectors and captains who had a better vision and plan and that brought the success for the team which was wrong fully attributed to Dhoni and Cheeka and Co. Selectors need to first talk to the seniors and the players who play in all formats to chart their plans for the season ahead and pick and choose senior pros for certain formats only, also sufficiently rest other players who play all formats. Different teams and captains for all three formats and this is where the selectors are getting it wrong, player fatigue will be down, less injury and more driven players, also ability to choose right players for right format and this will give more players a chance to prove their mettle and will raise our cricket standard, also competition for places.This policy will also give players to play domestic and county a bit more and will benefit bowlers who we are trying to groom for test's. Our goal should be the world cup in Australia and NZ, ALSO THE OVERSEAS TOURS IN 2014, selectors should look at players who will able to perform on those tracks and bowlers who can use those conditions, will Sachin, Zaheer, Dhoni be in the team? Selectors have been recycling the same tried and trusted failures and also choosing the players to play wrong formats, Parthiv in ODI'S,PK AND VK IN TEST, ROHIT SHOULD BE IN THE TEST SQUAD AS SHOULD RAHANE. Picking purely players on domestic performance is a stupid thing as even an idiot can do that, a selectors job is to weed out the mediocre and find the players with potential and talent as domestic cricket also is an ideal ground for mediocre players and trundlers to thrive on based on the flat tracks and fast bowlers breaking down and trundlers and mediocre batters could have better stats, case in point Badrinath, Mukund, PK, VK, Dinda. Selectors should pick a pool of players for future honors just based on the potential and talent , for batters that will mean,weeding out flat track bullies for bowlers weeding out trundlers, for India to be a force in world cricket we need a bigger pool of players to choose from who are ripe and ready for international cricket and for bowlers who have pace and need proper mentoring and guidance also to chart the path ahead for these talented players,Shami Ahmed, Manish Pandey, Unmukt Chand, Anwar Khan, Abu Nechim should be among these batch of players. Injured international and domestic players should be monitored and especially bowlers like Tyagi, Suyal who have potential should be looked after, players dropped from the team or squads should be told exactly what is expected from them and what they could do and improve to get back into the side. Last and not the least, domestic cricket is where it all begins, this should be a nursery for budding talent and should be an excellent feeder for future talent, also talent scouting and domestic structure, tracks, selections should improve, local state associations should be held accountable, Why is there no state association for Bihar that is recognized by BCCI, why doesn't Bisla , Kamran Khan have a team to play domestic cricket?

[vamos_rafa]

Very smart. You mention Ganguly but no Wright. You mention Kirsten was responsible for the good things while Dhoni for the regressing. No mention of Dravid, who actually handled fast bowlers better than everyone else and won a few test series outside India and also led us to this superb chasers that we are now.

[CG]

Very smart. You mention Ganguly but no Wright. You mention Kirsten was responsible for the good things while Dhoni for the regressing. No mention of Dravid' date=' who actually handled fast bowlers better than everyone else and won a few test series outside India and also led us to this superb chasers that we are now.[/quote'] Right what did kirsten do?He did not take any hard decisons,his only contribution as per my views are he with dhoni created a good dressing room enviroment and worked with gambhir and others.But He did not plan for the future.I liked what chappel did it wake up Indian cricket and for the hard decisons they took ,which bore fruits later.

[MCcricket]

Very smart. You mention Ganguly but no Wright. You mention Kirsten was responsible for the good things while Dhoni for the regressing. No mention of Dravid' date=' who actually handled fast bowlers better than everyone else and won a few test series outside India and also led us to this superb chasers that we are now.[/quote'] I see Wright and Ganguly as being a team and perhaps India's best in terms of finding talent and charting the way ahead for Indian cricket, that is when we started winning overseas and players started believing, when I mentioned the success owing to our experienced players then they are Dravid, Kumble, VVS, Tendulkar, Sehwag, Ganguly,Zaheer, I strongly believe our success in recent years and getting to world number one status is because of these guys rather then BCCI, outgoing selectors and Dhoni, for a team to be brought together and putting it on the road map from being tigers at home to minnows abroad to unbeatable at home and competetive abroad that change was brought during Ganguly's term. The core group of players who have done great for India , Harbhajan, Zaheer, Sreesanth on away tours, Yuvraj, Sehwag, and many more players with potential were given chance and persisted with during that time by the team management.

[The Outsider]

:hysterical::hysterical: Sorry, not laughing at your good article, but about how age makes you a cynic. When I read the title of the thread, I was immediately reminded of this 3 part series done by Chandan way back in 2007-2008: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=5864 We can keep on writing eloquently and with grace, nothing will happen.

[rkt.india]

Right what did kirsten do?He did not take any hard decisons' date='his only contribution as per my views are he with dhoni created a good dressing room enviroment and worked with gambhir and others.But He did not plan for the future.I liked what chappel did it wake up Indian cricket and for the hard decisons they took ,which bore fruits later.[/quote'] Agree. I like Chappel. Though there were controversies but they had to considering Chappel's way our culture which is dominated by stars and reputations. Chappel wanted to make a team, and create players. His ways be debatable but cannot blame his intentions. Even in ODIs, our transition started under Chappel. Kirsten did not do anything to build a team for the future. He just stretched the transition, kept the environment of dressing room right, and got benefited by the form our players were in. There are always two ways of every aspect.

[vamos_rafa]

Right what did kirsten do?He did not take any hard decisons' date='his only contribution as per my views are he with dhoni created a good dressing room enviroment and worked with gambhir and others.But He did not plan for the future.I liked what chappel did it wake up Indian cricket and for the hard decisons they took ,which bore fruits later.[/quote'] Totally agree. I have said this before as well. Chappell did things which were right for us maybe the methods were not. And that's what I have said to the OP. It can never be the case that it's Ganguly's team that dravid and dhoni enjoyed the fruits. That's plain BS for me. It's a team game and everybody contributes to the success and failures. BTW, we finally agreed to one thing didn't we.:two_thumbs_up:

[MCcricket]

:hysterical::hysterical: Sorry, not laughing at your good article, but about how age makes you a cynic. When I read the title of the thread, I was immediately reminded of this 3 part series done by Chandan way back in 2007-2008: http://www.indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=5864 We can keep on writing eloquently and with grace, nothing will happen.

lol THAT ARTICLE IS WAY BETTER THEN MINE, it is simple for people who follow Indian cricket and care, like someone who is loosing a brother a friend to addiction or some one loosing his way that you know of, it is very easy to see what they need to do to get back to their best, good things happen in Indian cricket by accident and depend on the stars when they are aligned and people like Wright, Ganguly, selectors who are smart come together, not because of planning, BCCI, infrastructure or domestic cricket lol.

[BeautifulGame]

We were good overseas only under Dravid tbh as far as test cricket is concerned.

[Lord]

Chapell did good for us compared to Kirsten?:facepalm:

[MCcricket]

Chapell did good for us compared to Kirsten?:facepalm:

Chappel was bad for the Indian team and we did really bad under him, but he was good for the Raina's and younger lot who he thought had talent, I think that is what the posters mean and I kinda agree to that.

[achilles]

Dhoni's statistics as captain in countries that actually matter-

1st Test: England v India at Lord's - Jul 21-25, 2011 England 474/8d and 269/6d; India 286 and 261 England won by 196 runs 2nd Test: England v India at Nottingham - Jul 29-Aug 1, 2011 England 221 and 544; India 288 and 158 England won by 319 runs 3rd Test: England v India at Birmingham - Aug 10-13, 2011 India 224 and 244; England 710/7d England won by an innings and 242 runs 4th Test: England v India at The Oval - Aug 18-22, 2011 England 591/6d; India 300 and 283 (f/o) England won by an innings and 8 runs Only T20I: England v India at Manchester - Aug 31, 2011 India 165 (19.4/20 ov); England 169/4 (19.3/20 ov) England won by 6 wickets (with 3 balls remaining) 2nd ODI: England v India at Southampton - Sep 6, 2011 India 187/8 (23/23 ov); England 188/3 (22.1/23 ov) England won by 7 wickets (with 5 balls remaining) 3rd ODI: England v India at The Oval - Sep 9, 2011 India 234/7 (50 ov); England 218/7 (41.5/43 ov) England won by 3 wickets (with 7 balls remaining) (D/L method) 5th ODI: England v India at Cardiff - Sep 16, 2011 India 304/6 (50 ov); England 241/4 (32.2/34 ov) England won by 6 wickets (with 10 balls remaining) (D/L method) 1st Test: Australia v India at Melbourne - Dec 26-29, 2011 Australia 333 and 240; India 282 and 169 Australia won by 122 runs 2nd Test: Australia v India at Sydney - Jan 3-6, 2012 India 191 and 400; Australia 659/4d Australia won by an innings and 68 runs 3rd Test: Australia v India at Perth - Jan 13-15, 2012 India 161 and 171; Australia 369 Australia won by an innings and 37 runs 4th Test: Australia v India at Adelaide - Jan 24-28, 2012 Australia 604/7d and 167/5d; India 272 and 201 Australia won by 298 runs 1st T20I: Australia v India at Sydney - Feb 1, 2012 Australia 171/4 (20/20 ov); India 140/6 (20/20 ov) Australia won by 31 runs

I have been kind enough to overlook the 4 ODI games that we lost to Australia and Sri Lanka. Also, I have consciously overlooked the team's performance against weak teams like Sri Lanka and New Zealand.

[Lord]

Chappel was bad for the Indian team and we did really bad under him' date=' but he was good for the Raina's and younger lot who he thought had talent, I think that is what the posters mean and I kinda agree to that.[/quote'] which youngsters u r talking about,he destroyed Pathan the bowler by asking him to bat.even Raina was dropped in his tenure n made a comeback on IPL performances,I dont recall others. u just need to see what players had to say on both Kirsten n Chappell to know thier contribution

[kubrickian]

Dhoni's statistics as captain in countries that actually matter.

Why do those countries only matter ? Then we might as well give up playing in India. Ridiculous.

[Crookbond]

which youngsters u r talking about' date=he destroyed Pathan the bowler by asking him to bat.even Raina was dropped in his tenure n made a comeback on IPL performances,I dont recall others. u just need to see what players had to say on both Kirsten n Chappell to know thier contribution

LOL - these are hilarious arguments. Do you know the player who suggested him to take his batting seriously and also suggested Pathan to come at No.3 or open the batting?

[MCcricket]

Why do those countries only matter ? Then we might as well give up playing in India. Ridiculous.

As a team you wanna test yourself against the better cricket playing nations which are at this point, Australia, England, SA, that is why the countries matter, who cares if we play Bangladesh and beat them after scoring 700 or match is drawn with only two innings played between the two teams.

[Crookbond]

Beating Australia and South Africa in India does not matter? :hmmm:

[Lord]

LOL - these are hilarious arguments. Do you know the player who suggested him to take his batting seriously and also suggested Pathan to come at No.3 or open the batting?

its common consensus man,everything isnt black or white

[kubrickian]

As a team you wanna test yourself against the better cricket playing nations which are at this point' date=' Australia, England, SA, that is why the countries matter, who cares if we play Bangladesh and beat them after scoring 700 or match is drawn with only two innings played between the two teams.[/quote'] As a test team, we should look to do well against all teams and at home too. That particular poster is following this train of thought which seems to be around these days that India do well at home, so it's no big deal even if they win. But going by that logic, Eng and Aus won against India in their home too. So why is that given so much importance? Yes,we should do well overseas too but dont try to undermine the importance of winning at home. We are still playing international quality batsmen and if they lose, they get a lot of flack for that.

[MCcricket]

which youngsters u r talking about,he destroyed Pathan the bowler by asking him to bat.even Raina was dropped in his tenure n made a comeback on IPL performances,I dont recall others. u just need to see what players had to say on both Kirsten n Chappell to know thier contribution

Pathan's bowling was not affected because of his bowling , which he himself has stated many times, it was loss of form due to fitness, he tried too many things and changed his action, run up and did not have enough time to remedy it,only when he got a long enough break from injury and cricket did he work on it and find form, if you are an all rounder you can do well in one dept and that will help the other , Flintoff, kallis always thrived based on their allround skills and it is only the fitness which is the bug bear not the added batting responsibility. Bowlers loosing form is very common and happens to almost every Indian bowler, Zaheer went to the county circuit, Srinath wasted alot many years before he became decent, Indian bowlers are not ready for international rigours physically and mentally also not taken care of that well and guided, also add Sreesanth , rp , vrv, tyagi, gony, pankaj singh,mithun and soo many others to that list, did their batting effect their bowling .