How Ashwin can turn his class to world-class

[CricLind]

I wonder how that Maharashtra batting (leg-spin) allrounder is shaping up? I don't remember his name, I think it was Khurana. He had an excellent last season with the bat and also with the ball.

[Pagalpanti]

When Chawla came he was so promising, not sure what went wrong with him..

[CricLind]

When Chawla came he was so promising' date=' not sure what went wrong with him..[/quote'] Chawla was never a big turner of the ball, but his googly was exceptional. Now, whatever little turn his legbreaks had is also gone and now he's exclusively a googly bowler who bowls some straight deliveries in between (called "legbreaks"). If someone can teach him to turn his legbreaks then he will be a force to reckon with. He's still fairly young and one can only keep one's fingers crossed.

[rkt.india]

Like most Indian spinners, Ashwin failed to make a mark on Australian pitches when India toured last year. Nathan Lyon, his Australian counterpart, got more spin and bounce in Adelaide because by habit Aussie spinners bowl not just with their arms and fingers but their whole body.

I dont agree with this part. I dont see Lyon putting body into action. He just loops up the ball in the air and bowl reasonmably slow, nothing else. Still Ashwin got more wickets than him. It was just Indian batting was always under pressure and Tendulkar was playing Lyon like he was facing Murli at his peak. Because Ausrtalian fast bowlers were always attacking from the other end and Indian batsmen were subdued. In Australia, you need fast bowlers to do bulk of the job and then only spinner can blossom.

[Crookbond]

I dont agree with this part. I dont see Lyon putting body into action. He just loops up the ball in the air and bowl reasonmably slow' date= nothing else. Still Ashwin got more wickets than him. It was just Indian batting was always under pressure and Tendulkar was playing Lyon like he was facing Murli at his peak. Because Ausrtalian fast bowlers were always attacking from the other end and Indian batsmen were subdued. In Australia, you need fast bowlers to do bulk of the job and then only spinner can blossom.

I disagree, he does. The other factors are true as well - slow ball, Indian batting under pressure but comparative to Ashwin he does put more body into his action. It is actually a trait of spinners from Australia as if you do not; you can't be successful. Just like wristy batting is sub-continental batting trait.

[rkt.india]

I disagree' date=' he does. The other factors are true as well - slow ball, Indian batting under pressure but comparative to Ashwin he does put more body into his action. It is actually a trait of spinners from Australia as if you do not; you can't be successful. Just like wristy batting is sub-continental batting trait.[/quote'] Ashwin puts more body than Lyon. I dont see Lyon putting much body into it. Lyon doesnt even have pivot in his bowling.

[Crookbond]

Ashwin puts more body than Lyon. I dont see Lyon putting much body into it. Lyon doesnt even have pivot in his bowling.

Lets agree to disagree.

[panther]

You serious, debating over who puts more body in to there bowling.

[rkt.india]

You serious' date=' debating over who puts more body in to there bowling.[/quote'] its an important aspect of bowling think Warne and Murli.

[Crookbond]

England shrug off new Ashwin mystery http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/590968.html

It was anticipated before England's tour of India that they would face a great deal of spin bowling but, with the warm-up games completed, they have faced more spin off the pitch than on it. Having been consigned to non-spinning pitches and deliberately deprived of the chance to face quality spin bowling in the three matches ahead of the Test series, England will have opened their newspapers in Ahmedabad on Monday morning and found that R Ashwin, one of the Indian spinners they will face in the Tests, has claimed to possess a new "mystery" delivery. "I have been working on this ball for some time now," Ashwin told the Times of India. "I might use it in this series." There is nothing new in such claims. For years Shane Warne used to play on the insecurities of England batsmen by talking of his new deliveries ahead of Ashes series. Saeed Ajmal, ahead of England's series against Pakistan in the UAE, made similar claims. On each occasion, there was little evidence of such a delivery though confused batsmen sometimes interpreted natural variation as something more deliberate. But this time England have dismissed the claims. Richard Halsall, the England assistant coach, reacted with both amusement and cynicism to Ashwin's claims and suggested the side had heard it all before. "I was very fortunate to spend a few years with Mushtaq Ahmed at Sussex," Halsall, who was formerly fielding coach at Sussex, said. "And Mushy would have a 'mystery ball' every week. He'd show it to the opposition in the nets and, as we would wander off he would say 'that's just my leg-break'. If Ashwin has got a mystery ball, that's fantastic for him. It may move cricket on. But I'm sure our batsmen will watch him carefully and deal with each ball as it comes." While England may be cynical about the existence of any new delivery, their ability to play those deliveries in Ashwin's already extensive repertoire remain unproven. Their troubles against Pakistan have largely been explained with the explanation that Ajmal is a bowler of rare skill and variation. While that is true, it ignores the fact that they were troubled almost as much by Abdur Rehman, and in Sri Lanka by Rangana Herath; both of whom are largely conventional left-arm spinners. Halsall admitted England found it "quite odd" and "frustrating" that they had faced so little spin in the warm-up matches, but suggested they compensated by practising against good quality spinners in the nets. "We've managed to get enough high-pressure, quality practice into the batsmen off the field so that they feel ready for the first Test," he said. "It's not a concern, but it has been quite odd that we haven't faced the spin out in the middle, especially when there have been spinners playing. But we've been fortunate to have some exceptional net bowlers. Over here, you do get some exceptional players not in the games." Halsall was behind the stumps when Stuart Broad and Steven Finn bowled in practise on Sunday and was impressed by what he saw. But a decision on their participation will not be made until Tuesday at the earliest with both needing to prove their match fitness with a prolonged bowl in practise. "Steven and Stuart both looked fairly hostile," Halsall said. "They both bowled very well. It's fantastic to see where Steven is. We didn't think he'd be at this stage so soon. That's great, and Stuart is coming along exactly as we thought he would. "We'll monitor them over the next two days. Then we'll know a little bit more. But we're happy with where they are at the moment." It underlines Halsall's growing stature within the England camp that he has been given a more public role with the squad for the first time. Originally appointed as fielding coach, he has already stood in for team director, Andy Flower, on occasional days and must be considered a contender as his successor sometime in the future. But Halsall may require a spell as director of cricket at a county before taking control of the national side. It may also be relevant that Ashley Giles is presently with the squad. Warwickshire's director of cricket, who is also an England selector, may be a more suitable candidate to stand in for an entire series if Flower is to be rested. With ODI series coming up against India and New Zealand, it is possible Flower will be urged to take some time off ahead of a year that will include back-to-back Ashes series.

[rkt.india]

Which exceptional spinners England faced in the nets and whole Indian cricket fraternity dont even know about? :nervous:

[BeautifulGame]

Which exceptional spinners England faced in the nets and whole Indian cricket fraternity dont even know about? :nervous:

Anyone who can roll over his arm is exceptional by england standards

[Crookbond]

Which exceptional spinners England faced in the nets and whole Indian cricket fraternity dont even know about? :nervous:

Anyone who can roll over his arm is exceptional by england standards

The only thing which counts is how you do in the middle - "Nothing Else Matters".

[SLICKR392]

^ True that. Correct me if I'm wrong. They won a tour match in UAE but they went on to get white washed by Ajmal & Co..

[Tendulkar_Bhai]

Ashwin bowled well on a pitch which wasnt turning massively and was unlucky to not get lbw and stumpings and i was also going to point out Bhaji's average in Australia! Bhaji has been given enough chances now and Ashwin is the future!

[asterix]

Fatwin struggled to support Ojha from the other end, in the 2nd innings. He appeared 'off colour'... Thankfully the seamers chipped in... No sure about his 'class' be he needs to be bit consistent..

[div]

^ He was our best bowler in the first innings

[SLICKR392]

Fatwin struggled to support Ojha from the other end, in the 2nd innings. He appeared 'off colour'... Thankfully the seamers chipped in... No sure about his 'class' be he needs to be bit consistent..

Poor length and line to Cook. Around the wickets into his leg..wonder what he was trying do there?

[India-KXIP fan]

Fatwin struggled to support Ojha from the other end, in the 2nd innings. He appeared 'off colour'... Thankfully the seamers chipped in... No sure about his 'class' be he needs to be bit consistent..

He's a T20 bowler. Chit against Aus and Eng. But good enough in Tests sometimes though only against NZ type teams. On the other hand you have legend killers topping the wickets chart 3 times out of 3 home series' against big teams like Aus not playing :blink: /thread

[vvvslaxman]

He's a T20 bowler /thread

:cantstop: You said even worse things about Ojha leaving out Ashwin after day 2. Good things ahead for Ashwin.