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Clarke Mentor

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It's a very complex topic' date=' why a person decides to sacrifice for the nation or religion or anything other than his family vs making decisions in the best interest of his family. [b']Not everyone in India is in India is thankful for the sacrifices of others and/or contribute to the betterment of the society or country. Please climb down from the high horse.
When did I say so ? My only point was don't dishonor those who made sacrifices for India by calling them stupid. Read again what I wrote before acting like a smartass.
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Every time I read about her, and her family, it makes me inherently sad and very uncomfortable. It is extremely hard to put in words. Somehow I want to talk about it and hopefully see us emerge stronger as a nation, and yet every single detail that shows the struggle of the brave girl and the price she paid for the same makes me not ready to read, or accept, the details. Her family, and her father, clearly thinks differently. They are proud of their daughter and it shows why the girl was a fighter. We need more girls, and Dads, like them. Hats off :hatsoff:
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Excuse? Why would I need an excuse for something that I am glad about? Circumvent the issue if you want' date=' reality is that the underlying filth of the country has gone nowhere. Its just coated at the top better now than it was a decade or two ago. Incidents like this end up exposing the reality.[/quote'] What are you glad about? That the country where you were born, and possibly still have relatives/parents/siblings living in, is in a bad situation? You must have a weird sense of happiness Sir. I have been in US for a couple of years more than you. And one of the best changes that I have seen in India during this stay is that an average Indian, specially in some of the cosmo towns, do not give a flying eff about a NRI, like you and me, anymore! When I would go back to India in late 90s I could see the novelty factor when folks like me would say I work in US blah blah. There was an immediate sense of respect. These days people would shrug and move on. Point being forget about the success stories the average Indian is lot more confident and does not give two hoots about what a NRI like you thinks. Now please go and find some more excuse on why you wouldnt want to go back to India please. :winky:
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Concerned Indians should worry more about the increasing number of RNIs instead of lack of returning NRIs.
Assam is already becoming a fully fledged RNI. :giggle: Soon people will be able enter Assam with an OCB.
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Assam is already becoming a fully fledged RNI. :giggle: Soon people will be able enter Assam with an OCB.
But they are living in India hence should be moar patriotic than those selfish NRIs.. :dontknow:
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You mistake the luxury of wants for basic needs while defending dragonfly. I know my country wouldn't come into existence in 1947 without the sacrifices of too many and it wouldn't exist for so long if the millions who currently serve & have done so earlier in the Armed Forces had the same selfish thought process. Their blood, sweat & guts gave me and many others an identity and the possibility of a roadmap to a good life. I shall always be thankful to them, and I hope you can at least not disrespect them.
Please go re read what I wrote. In case you didn't get it, for your benefit, I have broken it down for you here anyway: No where did I single out India, I merely stated that I view with extreme cynicism when people say they put the betterment of THEIR country before their own needs. By THEIR, I mean countries that they were either born in or those that they later adopted. It is an inherently selfish desire but my immediate needs take priority and I go where the opportunities are. I am not going to apologise for my success, not when I worked my **** off over many years to achieve it.
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But they are living in India hence should be moar patriotic than those selfish NRIs.. :dontknow:
Not only that, they are also patriotic for Burmese people and apparently victims of Tibeten earthquake. :giggle:
Clarke Mentor

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Please go re read what I wrote. In case you didn't get it, for your benefit, I have broken it down for you here anyway: No where did I single out India, I merely stated that I view with extreme cynicism when people say they put the betterment of THEIR country before their own needs. By THEIR, I mean countries that they were either born in or those that they later adopted. It is an inherently selfish desire but my immediate needs take priority and I go where the opportunities are. I am not going to apologise for my success, not when I worked my **** off over many years to achieve it.
You are absolutely entitled for the latter. What about the highlighted quote of yours:
Like I said earlier, anyone who puts the betterment of their country before their own immediate needs should get their heads checked for rocks.
A lot of people from Lala Lajpat Rai to Major Unnikrishnan, do they fall in that category ?
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Assam is already becoming a fully fledged RNI. :giggle: Soon people will be able enter Assam with an OCB.
More so I meant the three headed hydra monster that is known as Congress-left-MSM. Through which all the **** flows.
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There is no high horse. As you said not everyone is thanful for the betterment' date=' but its also true that there is no need to even consider ot discuss about these people. They are just doing what any animal will do for survival. No issues with that, but some seem to be proud of it and flaunt ti like a badge and that I have an issue with[/quote'] Agree that there's nothing to be proud of. If he is just glad that he made the right choice for his daughters sake, i think he is entitled to feel vindicated by this and other rape cases in India; just like the NRIs who returned to India from US and feel vindicated by the CT shooting. Trying to rationalize ones decision is a human trait too.
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http://www.indiatimes.com/india/delhi-gang-rape-why-did-the-men-rape-her-50805.html so these guys already robbed a guy before raping this girl? why didn't that guy report?
Kidding ? What I've experienced (and heard from multiple friends) about reporting a wallet or a passport etc being robbed is the police blaming us for being negligent or making up the story. Pretty consistent (although retarded) behavior, like they blame women for rapes.
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1) I don't give a flying eff whether Indians, Japanese, or Vanuatuans give a flying eff about me and my NRI status. My motto in life is to achieve the best (economicall and socially) that I can for myself and my family. I will pursue the best socioeconomic opportunities that my qualifications and abilities can afford me - I don't want boundary lines on a map to limit me. 2) I may have given up my Indian citizenship (like millions, like yourself), but I still have a soft corner for it (like those other million NRIs, like yourself) - I was after all born there. I am pained by this incident (even more so by the apathy of passerby's and the police than the heinous crime itself) - that's why I expressed my feelings. I spent 9 yrs of my life in Delhi. I have ridden my fair share of DTCs and Greenlines. This incidents unfortunately reminds me of everything that I hated about the city.
You could have just expressed concern at the incident and sympathized with the victim and her family. But you brought out your NRI (technically you arent NRI but a PIO) status which has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in India or Delhi. So basically you are concerned only about your image within your adopted country, alas you cannot fulfill your fervent desire to shed your heritage of which you are so deeply ashamed. A coconut if there ever was one.
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Kidding ? What I've experienced (and heard from multiple friends) about reporting a wallet or a passport etc being robbed is the police blaming us for being negligent or making up the story. Pretty consistent (although retarded) behavior' date=' like they blame women for rapes.[/quote'] +1 I am not going to put all the blame on the average police hawaldar but this is a fact that to make a complaint & have follow-up is a huge problem. Cop also look at the socio-economic status, reach etc of the person making the compliant before determining what they want to do about it. I see no harm if police are honest about telling the citizens the prioritization their case may receive dependent on the situation but ignoring & worst questioning the victim as if he/ she is a suspect creates the fear in the citizens itself and no one wants to report anything. I remember several incidents clearly- anytime my family reported an accident, a fight or any other issue that was witnessed the cops would grill my dad etc spending so much time that it is a genuine complaint and making every attempt to influence withdrawal of complaint vs. taking an action even in emergency incidents. Once there was a religion- related property dispute in the neighborhood that eventually led to a mob beating up a youth while his family was pleading them to let him go ( property was illegally occupied by the followers of the religious cult)- we tried to notify the cops and ended up getting inquired repeatedly who we were, why we were reporting this , how do we prove that this is genuine complaint etc etc. Eventually my dad told the cops that by this time the guy will die if you keep wasting time grilling the ppl complaining vs. those indulging in violence Once a bus hit a motorbike rider and we immediately reported this only to read in newspapers next day that a hit and run happened & the driver was able to escape now since no one reported this. No one else in the bus even wanted to report the incident because first of all they didn't want their commute home to get delayed and secondly the fear that they will have to serve as witness So the guy in this incident probably thought- fine I got robbed but atleast no physical harm so whats the point in reporting; he might have to pay the cops even more money if he reported it
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Asaram Bapu shocks, holds girl responsible for Delhi gangrape Spiritual Guru Asaram Bapu has landed himself in a controversy over his remark that the December 16 Delhi gang rape victim is as guilty as those responsible for the barbaric sexual assault on her. Å°nly 5-6 people are not the culprits. The victim daughter is as guilty as her rapists... She should have called the culprits brothers and begged before them to stop... This could have saved her dignity and life. Can one hand clap? I don't think so, Media reports quoted Asaram Bapu, as saying. According to media reports, the self-proclaimed godman further said that he was against harsher punishments for the accused as the law could be misutilised. SpeakAssaut: Enemies of women? Ÿe have often seen such laws are made to be misutilised... Dowry harassment law is the biggest example, he said. The spiritual guruÃÔ remark comes at a time when the entire nation is mourning the death of the 23-year-old brave heart who died in a Singapore hospital 13 days later after the heinous crime. Meanwhile, the five accused of the brutal gang rape will be produced before a Delhi court today. A fast track court in Delhi had earlier on Saturday taken cognizance of the chargesheet filed against the five accused by the Delhi Police. The court had asked the Delhi Police to produce all the five accused, Ram Singh, Mukesh, Pawan Gupta, Vinay Sharma and Akshay Thakur on January 7. Delhi Police had earlier on Thursday filed its chargesheet in the Saket metropolitan magistrate court against five men arrested in the case, slapping on them murder, rape, kidnapping and other charges. http://www.indianexpress.com/news/asaram-bapu-shocks-holds-girl-responsible-for-delhi-gangrape/1055639/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A rapist at heart.Bloody sexual terrorist.

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