Is media responsible for rising crime rate?

[surajmal]

Lurker is a card carrying congi. He doesn't wasn't to see the reality that his grand old party is the primary culprit in ruining the law and order situation in India.

[Lurker]

Ok, so I've heard of Mohammad Shahabuddin and not RK Roy, and lets assume its the media's fault that they cover the former's gundagardi which I thought was their job. How is that leading to an increase in crime rates ? Is the media helping Mr. Shahabuddin by making a hero out of him ? He has a very negative image generally so I'm not really following what you mean by influence. Feel free to walk away if this sounds too simplistic a discussion. Anyone else following how the media has a role in crime rates in our society can carry on and enlighten me.

Which Shahabuddin, there are multiple ones. Both notorious too :winky: Yes Sir. Media talking about Sahabuddin 24*7 does help. Do you realize, for example, that during Laloo Yadav vote of no-confidence motion, the MLAs from RJD and fellow allies were locked up in a Patna Hotel, and Shahabuddin (Siwaan waale bhai saab) was armed to the teeth and made to sit at the reception so that MLAs would neither run off, or the opposition try to buy them? This incident was shown by media often as Shahabuddin being the strong man of laloo and it gained him a lot of support from young guns who thought he was the strong man in a state of strong men. The reality was that he should have been put behind bars and media should have highlighted why Laloo Yadav, and Shahabuddin could hold a vote of no-confidence to ransome. :winky:

[NameGoesHere]

There was time only privileged people used to afford TV sets, and there was only 1 TV channel. Coverage was restricted. Today everyone has TV, 2-3 sets in one household is common sight. 100s of channels and 10s of news channels. Now we all day receive news of rape and murder. Kids grow up with these kind of news. It is NORMALCY for them whereas it is shock for us who are born in late 70s and early 80s. From days of Alif-Laila, Chitraahar, Chandrakanta, Vikram Baital, Swabhimaan, Jaspal Bhatti etc to these depressing news all day. Now you go anywhere in India, even paan waala shop has 14" TV and these news channel ON. These days my barber charge Rs. 100 for hair-cutting and has 40" LCD and AC installed there. :omg: ................

As India did not have TV programming before 1959, Indians did not rape before 1959. In 1959 India experimented with Terrestrial television. That year Indians started experimenting with rape. Regular daily transmission started in 1965. Regular daily rapes also started that year. Up until 1975, only seven Indian cities had a television service. Up until 1975 rapes happened only in 7 Indian cities. Colour TV was introduced in 1982 in the year of the Asian Games in Delhi. That year Appu the elephant mascot of the games was caught committing a rape. He was elected to Parliament.

[ganeshran]

As India did not have TV programming before 1959, Indians did not rape before 1959. In 1959 India experimented with Terrestrial television. That year Indians started experimenting with rape. Regular daily transmission started in 1965. Regular daily rapes also started that year. Up until 1975, only seven Indian cities had a television service. Up until 1975 rapes happened only in 7 Indian cities. Colour TV was introduced in 1982 in the year of the Asian Games in Delhi. That year Appu the elephant mascot of the games was caught committing a rape. He was elected to Parliament.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Clarke]

Which Shahabuddin, there are multiple ones. Both notorious too :winky: Yes Sir. Media talking about Sahabuddin 24*7 does help. Do you realize, for example, that during Laloo Yadav vote of no-confidence motion, the MLAs from RJD and fellow allies were locked up in a Patna Hotel, and Shahabuddin (Siwaan waale bhai saab) was armed to the teeth and made to sit at the reception so that MLAs would neither run off, or the opposition try to buy them? This incident was shown by media often as Shahabuddin being the strong man of laloo and it gained him a lot of support from young guns who thought he was the strong man in a state of strong men. The reality was that he should have been put behind bars and media should have highlighted why Laloo Yadav, and Shahabuddin could hold a vote of no-confidence to ransome. :winky:

I'm not going to blame the media if some morons see heroism in politicians going gangster in full view & making a mockery of the democratic system or in some cases seem to define the word 'strong' for me. Lets leave it there.

[Clarke]

As India did not have TV programming before 1959, Indians did not rape before 1959. In 1959 India experimented with Terrestrial television. That year Indians started experimenting with rape. Regular daily transmission started in 1965. Regular daily rapes also started that year. Up until 1975, only seven Indian cities had a television service. Up until 1975 rapes happened only in 7 Indian cities. Colour TV was introduced in 1982 in the year of the Asian Games in Delhi. That year Appu the elephant mascot of the games was caught committing a rape. He was elected to Parliament.

:hysterical: :hysterical: :hysterical:

[The Outsider]

As India did not have TV programming before 1959, Indians did not rape before 1959. In 1959 India experimented with Terrestrial television. That year Indians started experimenting with rape. Regular daily transmission started in 1965. Regular daily rapes also started that year. Up until 1975, only seven Indian cities had a television service. Up until 1975 rapes happened only in 7 Indian cities. Colour TV was introduced in 1982 in the year of the Asian Games in Delhi. That year Appu the elephant mascot of the games was caught committing a rape. He was elected to Parliament.

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

[Lurker]

I'm not going to blame the media if some morons see heroism in politicians going gangster in full view & making a mockery of the democratic system or in some cases seem to define the word 'strong' for me. Lets leave it there.

Is this due to some ideology OR have you encountered it first hand? In the early 90s Bihar, many Forward Caste folk had supported Anand Mohan Singh because of how he was portrayed in the media as the bullwark against the Backward-phile Laloo Yadav Govt. Pappu Yadav was one of the bullwark against Anand Mohan Singh. Both seperated by 100 km or less within North Bihar. Young guns who were removed far from these two goonda (Saharsa-Madhepura belt) were still following their exploits and often showed sympathy for one or the other. You can think differently all you like, first hand I can attest it definitely matters how media portrays. They are rarely scathing, in fact often glorious towards these anti social elements.

[coffee_rules]

No, it is the chalta-hai attitude of aam junta that is responsible for the crime rate.

[Lurker]

No' date=' it is the chalta-hai attitude of aam junta that is responsible for the crime rate.[/quote'] Oh Absolutely. That is the number 1 reason. By the way it does include me and you too Coffee saab. Humne bhi jimmedari nahi nibhayi.

[Stuge]

As India did not have TV programming before 1959, Indians did not rape before 1959. In 1959 India experimented with Terrestrial television. That year Indians started experimenting with rape. Regular daily transmission started in 1965. Regular daily rapes also started that year. Up until 1975, only seven Indian cities had a television service. Up until 1975 rapes happened only in 7 Indian cities. Colour TV was introduced in 1982 in the year of the Asian Games in Delhi. That year Appu the elephant mascot of the games was caught committing a rape. He was elected to Parliament.

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[Desi Cartman]

There is a problem with whats on TV which may or may not result in influencing kids to do wrong things in life. The society is messed up and thats whats on TV and movies. The other day I saw an ad in India where a 30 yr old father is looking at his daughter and is thinking how he can invest now so he can gather gold over then 10 years for his daughter's wedding .. WTF is that advertisement ? Is the media at fault or the advertiser or the viewers ? As for violence, we realized yesterday that our 2.5 year old doesnt understand action scenes , thats because we dont watch action movies when she is around so when we saw Khilai 786 or Dabangg she came to us and said why is he flying and why are they falling ? Thats the moment we realized that she doesnt understand what kicking is because she hasnt seen it on TV. Its almost impossible to shield kids from these scenes in India. I know even in US once the kids are 5-6 years old they will see all kind of crap on TV but at least I can manage what they see easily during their initial years of development. So the problem is with society as well as censorship.

[Desi Cartman]

After years of watching Bollywood movies' date=' now I take all my dates to the park, so we can sing and dance around trees[/quote'] I dont think media can make people serial killers but there have been cases where people who are more prone to violence have tried to kill as they saw in movies or video games. I dont think one can ban TV for all and have only Sanskriti channel on at all times but age appropriate shows at certain times is a must. Parents also need to keep an eye on what kids are watching PS: im glad my parents didnt keep an eye on what I was watching when I was 16 :icflove:

[CG]

What OP meant may be is everything is accessible easily compared to past.Its good and bad When i was in school its not even 7 years.Now i see my uncle son who studies in the same school and type of things they do it its hard for me to believe.We found out recently he has been drinking with friends and smoking when once he had drank too much during school event and collapsed and was taken to hospital ,The school has become some sort of battle ground between student gangs with support from local gundas.Kids are saying I am from this gang or that.It a reputed cbse school here.

[Sachinism]

I dont think media can make people serial killers but there have been cases where people who are more prone to violence have tried to kill as they saw in movies or video games. I dont think one can ban TV for all and have only Sanskriti channel on at all times but age appropriate shows at certain times is a must. Parents also need to keep an eye on what kids are watching PS: im glad my parents didnt keep an eye on what I was watching when I was 16 :icflove:

Then when we find unemployment goes up, we'll blame these channels. Its a bad precedent to set IMO. You can't blame media, entertainment for the way people behave all the time.

[Crookbond]

How much is too much?

On my way back home one day, I took an auto rickshaw that had Punjabi songs blaring. Curious, I asked who the singer was. “Honey Singh,” he said, his head swinging to the beats. Considering we were in Ghaziabad and the driver sounded like an inhabitant of Eastern Uttar Pradesh, I asked if he understood Punjabi. He said only a bit but the songs give him a kick because they have words that describe female anatomy in great detail and some of them extol rape. Surprised, I asked him how he got them and how he played them when female passengers were in the auto. “I play them at night when they have no other option but to behave as if they are either not listening or can’t understand. The CDs are available on footpaths in MP3 (format). You just have to ask, ‘Honey Singh ka gande (dirty) song wala CD de do.’” He is referring to the same Yo Yo Honey Singh who is being eulogised as the next big thing in Bollywood music.. His numbers were on YouTube’s top 10 list last year, and Anurag Kashyap has said he wants to make a biopic on him. Though Honey Singh has denied singing such offensive songs, the impression on the ground tells a different story. In the aftermath of the Delhi gang rape case, the role of mass media in manufacturing perceptions about women is once again being questioned. While there is no scholarly study to prove a direct link between cinema and insensitive male behaviour towards women, long-term exposure to regressive images and stereotypes does play a crucial role in a country where a large number of people still don’t know how to consume the images generated by the media. Cinema is already a pre-censored medium and freedom of speech is sacrosanct, but there is a greater need to look within and self-regulate. There is a school of thought that believes that cinema is a reflection of society and draws selectively from mythology. So Duryodhan’s action of disrobing Draupadi — fuelled by Draupadi’s taunt linking his slipping into a water pond in the palace with the blindness of his father — finds a reflection in our filmy characterisations time and again. Some are layered, others lewd. And the ‘realistic’ approach could also get numbers because somebody somewhere is watching it for the ‘scene’ and not the bigger picture. We have seen it happening with “Bandit Queen” and “Fire”. Our films have definitely evolved, and a scene that has gone out of the narrative structure is the rape episode. There was a time in the 1970s and ’80s where certain female characters could be picked out from a distance as the ones to be assaulted at some point in the movie, to give our young man a chance to get angry. Some villains were anointed as rape experts. And when a heroine-oriented film was attempted, rape became an obstacle the character should cross to become a champion. Remember “Zakhmi Aurat”? The phool had to be masticated by a man to become an angaara. Thank god we have moved on from those sadistic portrayals. Or have we? Haven’t rape experts been replaced by serial kissers and shirtless wonders? Mind you, they are not placed as the villain of the piece. Till a few years ago, many male journalists who covered the film beat had a staple question for female actors. How much will you expose? The heroine used to have a staple answer: “According to the demands of the script.” Still, some scribes apparently got a perverse pleasure out of this question. But when the portrayal of the Hindi film heroine changed, skin exposure no longer remained limited to one scene or song and explicit expression of sexual desire became a metaphor for female liberation rather than vampish behaviour, the question became ‘out-of-syllabus’. Top heroines of the industry acquiesced to this change. There is nothing wrong with finding a middle ground for the heroine between the goddess and ***** extremes that existed for years, but there is a very thin line between celebration of sensuality and commoditisation of woman. There is a difference between being a centre of desire and a means of titillation. And this line is frequently being crossed, particularly in item songs where through lyrics and dance movements the girl almost beseeches to be pounced upon — and since the song has no connection with the story, the director has no compulsion to justify its presence. The fact that celebrated faces of the film industry are gyrating to these racy tunes gives them a sort of legitimacy in the minds of an impressionable audience. The independence of woman is being seen largely in sexual terms. After years, Deepa Sahi is still looking for a producer to fund a biopic on Rani Laxmibai but the biopic of Silk Smitha got made in a jiffy. (see box) Rani Mukerji is struggling to find good scripts, but ‘adult’ film star Sunny Leone, who self admittedly can’t act or dance, has four films in her kitty and performed on New Year’s Eve at a Central Delhi hotel. But can we question her when we are allowing Katrina Kaif to learn on the job for a decade? Also, it seems those who protested against Honey Singh’s performance in a Gurgaon hotel missed Sunny’s jig. One of the faces of the new female protagonist is of someone who enjoys her drink, scoffs at the institution of marriage and shows an inclination towards the physical side of love. At least till the intermission. Recently, we saw it in “Cocktail”. Strangely, after the intermission, Veronica tries to conform to traditional mores but still doesn’t get the guy, who is equally ‘liberal’ but ultimately marries a prototype of the Sati Savitri. It gives an impression that so-called outgoing girls are meant to be used and the ultimate aim of every girl is marriage. Somehow our films generated the notion that in a woman’s refusal of a man’s advances there is an implicit ‘yes’ hiding somewhere. This led to the birth of the stalking hero. The recent example was the monstrous hit “Rowdy Rathore” (granted a U/A certificate, it was the second highest grosser of 2012) where the hero describes his girl as maal and turns her ‘no’ into ‘yes’ within minutes. Impressionable minds might like to copy his style if they are so predisposed. If Akshay Kumar were to take a stand that he won’t play a stalking hero, “rowdies” would not be able see the light of day because our mainstream cinema is still star-driven. Herein comes the question of tyranny of taste. Mahesh Bhatt says the keys of the treasure of creativity should not be in the hands of the intellectual elite. But creativity should not be allowed to propagate depravity either. Then again, why don’t we respect the ‘A’ certificate? One has seen families going to watch films like “Murder 2” where a psychopath stalks women and then cuts them into pieces. Groups espousing women’s rights say that assault on women in real life has nothing to do with what they wear, but on the other hand they criticise filmmakers for objectifying women. Isn’t there a link between the two? Why is it that young mothers take their three-year-olds to learn to dance to a “Chikni Chameli” and why does a “Fevicol” play at family functions? Isn’t there a complicit consent? The questions are many and the answers are not easy but a little introspection holds the key… What's entertainment That an actress of the calibre of Vidya Balan played the lead in “The Dirty Picture” turned it from a B-grade affair to A-class. In fact, producer Ekta Kapoor said the title and subject gave an impression that somebody like Bipasha Basu would be cast but that would have limited the appeal of the film. One is not running down Ekta or Vidya, one is talking about the choices producers, performers and the public are making. ...If “Cocktail” was set in London, “Ishaqzaade” unfolded near Lucknow. Here we had a girl who prefers guns over jewellery and wants to become a politician but ends up falling in love with a naughty guy who lures her into a physical relationship for political gain. We were expected to support the girl’s choice because the guy was really sorry. Director Habib Faisal said he didn’t set out to make a feminist film and both his characters had strengths and flaws. Are our audiences mature enough to understand this nuance which many film critics missed? ...In “Kismat Love Paisa Dilli”, where a group of goons kidnap a girl from the road to celebrate their gang leader’s birthday in a moving van. Isn’t the plot similar to what happened with the victim of the gang rape? The film failed in the metros and we heaved a sigh of relief that the crass was cut short. But what if the film is still playing in Dadri or Sikanderabad, towns within a few kilometres from the Capital? The film starred Vivek Oberoi, considered an actor conscious of his duties towards society.

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