1983-2011 Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 New Delhi: In defiance of statistics, Mohan Bhagwat, chief of the right-wing RSS or Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), believes that rapes are an urban crime shaped by westernisation, and are not a matter of concern in rural India where traditional values are upheld. The RSS is the ideological mentor of the main opposition party, the BJP. Mr Bhagwat's remarks were shredded by activists and other political parties, but the BJP offered no criticism. Describing the controversy as "uncalled for", the party's spokesperson said that Mr Bhagwat "was referring to India's sanskar, tradition and value system where respect for women occupies a pride of place." In Assam yesterday, Mr Bhagwat said, "Crimes against women happening in urban India are shameful. It is a dangerous trend. But such crimes won't happen in 'Bharat' or the rural areas of the country. You go to villages and forests of the country and there will be no such incidents of gang-rape or sex crimes." He added, "Where 'Bharat' becomes 'India' with the influence of western culture, these type of incidents happen. The actual Indian values and culture should be established at every stratum of society where women are treated as 'mother'." "Mohan Bhagwat doesn't know either India or Bharat," said Brinda Karat, a CPM politburo member. "The largest number of rapes occur in rural areas on Dalits, tribals and rural workers. Such statements give confidence to criminals." (Read: Who said what) Mr Bhagwat's comments come at a time when the death of a young medical student, who was gang-raped in Delhi, has impelled introspection on attitudes towards women in a country where a rape is reported nearly every 20 minutes. But in Madhya Pradesh, a minister in the BJP government demonstrated the proclivity among politicians to blame women for the crimes against them. "One has to abide by certain moral limits. If you cross this limit, you will be punished, just like Sita was abducted by Ravana," said the minister, Kailash Vijayvargiya. In his case, the BJP said it did not agree with his remarks and ordered that they be withdrawn. The minister acquiesced. http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/rapes-occur-in-india-not-bharat-says-rss-chief-mohan-bhagwat-313361?pfrom=home-lateststories BJP defends Bhagwat, says RSS is not anti-women The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) on Friday defended RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's remark that 'rapes occur frequently in India not in Bharat', saying the present controversy is totally uncalled for and unnecessary BJP chief spokesperson Ravi Shankar Prasad said RSS spokesperson Ram Madhav has already clarified Bhagwat's remark "The present controversy relating to certain comments of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwatji is totally uncalled for and unnecessary. Ram Madhav on behalf of the RSS has already explained it. The comment of Bhagwatji is required to be seen and understood in its entirety. He was referring to India's 'sanskar', tradition and value system where respect for women occupies a pride of place. At the same time, he also demanded that strong punishment be given to those who are offenders in relation to crime against women, laws be strengthened including giving capital punishment," said Prasad. "Women empowerment, women respect and women security forms the core of the ideology of the RSS. The extraordinary work and achievement made in various RSS related organisations like Rashtriya Sevika Samiti, Vanvasi Kalyan Kendra, Vidya Bharati and other allied organisations bares ample testimony to the same," he added Prasad further lashed out at Congress General Secretary Digvijay Singh for targetting the RSS chief over his remark. RSS is the ideological mentor of the BJP "There is a very outspoken spokesperson of Congress Party, who is not the authorised spokesperson of Congress as we are told, Digvijay Singh. Digvijay Singh first look within," said Prasad Commenting on Bhagwat's remark, Digvijay Singh earlier in the day said that it shows the ideology of Sangh. "Women cannot become members of the RSS. There is no difference between India and Bharat," he added Prasad, who is the Deputy Leader of Opposition in Rajya Sabha, also used the occasion to take potshots at the Congress-led UPA Government at the Centre and the Sheila Dikshit-led Congress Government in Delhi "There is a Congress woman Chief Minister of Delhi. The top leader of Congress Party, the President and the most powerful person behind this government Sonia Gandhiji, is also a woman. Yet in Delhi, controlled by the Central Government and the State Government, women feel most unsafe. Please see that and respond to that. The nation today is dismayed, pained," said Prasad. "We need to rise above petty political considerations and ensure that the polity responds in a collective voice. Therefore, the BJP has demanded immediate Special Session of Parliament also an all-party meeting and we are willing to cooperate with the government in firming up the law. That is what the nation expects. Let us not sidetrack the issue," he added RSS spokesperson Ram Madhav has defended Bhagwat, and said that his remarks were misinterpreted. "The statement of RSS chief should be taken in proper perspective. He (Bhagwat) has already demanded strict punishment for rapists and even called for death penalty if required," said Madhav. "All that he said is that in Indian tradition we have great respect for women and we should learn to uphold this tradition. If one goes away from this tradition it will result in rise of crime against women," he added. Several other social activists have also hit out at Bhagwat over his remark for it comes at a time when the nation is mourning the death of the 23-year-old Delhi gang-rape victim. There have been massive protests in the country demanding more safety for women and new tough anti-rape laws. Addressing a citizens' meet in Silchar in Assam earlier on Tuesday, Bhagwat criticized 'western' lifestyle of people in urban areas, and said without empirical evidence to back such a claim, that rape is prevalent mainly in cities where Indians are deeply influenced by western values and not by rural India. "You go to villages and forests of the country, and there will be no such incidents of gang-rape or sex crimes. They are prevalent in some urban belts. Besides, the new legislations, Indian ethos and attitude towards women should be revisited in the context of ancient Indian values," he added. The RSS chief, however, said that he wanted stringent laws in sexual crimes against women and will favour capital punishment for those convicted of rape. http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report_bjp-defends-bhagwat-says-rss-is-not-anti-women_1785505
suraj Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Sab chewtiye hain saale We should admire Indian women for even allowing their male counterparts to breathe in the same universe that they do despite the stupidity level of them
Clarke Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Was about to post this in another thread. Mr. Bhagwat does need to know more about Bharat's villages. More importantly, the BJP needs to grow a pair.
veer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 So many lose cannons in both parties... What happened to young politicians that were coming up?
Rohit S. Ambani Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 These nikker wearing people are softest but pretend to be hardcore, bunch of cowards. Is Bhagwat elected by people? Who gave him right to open his mouth. This kachhha baniyan brigade should shut their mouths.
veer Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 ^^^So many Parineeti fans here... She has a different beauty ... not skinny but yet pretty looking. Btw Ambani bhai saab.. did she really say that about Rohit or you are making it up like the list below?
Swing_n_Speed Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 So many lose cannons in both parties... What happened to young politicians that were coming up? They were/are mostly children/relatives of these very loose cannons
surajmal Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 (Rapid and unplanned) Urbanization (among other things) has played a role. The Delhi underbelly Author: Sanjay Kaul An aseptic, self-delusionary analysis of the ÃØhys of persistent rape in Delhi will not help its time to face the stark reality of life here The headless chicken-ry around the grotesque case of the gang-rape in Delhi has reached its nadir. Opinions have ranged from summary executions, to torture, to flogging and castration as if we were in the badlands of Kandahar - to more sanguine solutions like instructing children from school level, sensitising youth, gender equality classes and just ho-hum improvement in policing. Some controversy has been generated not on account of poor policing and the critical disconnect from law and order among the state functions but a tiff between the Chief Minister and the Lt Governor over the sacking of the Police Commissioner. Lost in translation is the real reason why this sort of thing happens, and why Delhi has earned the sobriquet of the rape capital of India. It is nobodyÃÔ case that law and order and policing is a prime culprit in this case, but the equal truth is that Delhi has comparatively better policing than other cities and capitals. The real reasons are therefore not to be found where we are looking. They lie in the collapse of governance in the capital. If one were to join the dots, it would take us through a complex web of governance hot spots to unravel the cause of this horrific incident and the graph would have to go through the issues of education, migration, poverty, unemployment, civic segregation, over population, transportation, cultural dis-assimilation, entitlements, ownership and social alienation, and finally, law and order. The hasty mind rushes about trying to fit all this into a convenient template so that fast-track justice could be dispensed: A hanging that could satisfy the crowds, maybe; or hang them all, maybe. Anything so that we do not have to deal with the contours of the real dilemma of how and why this sort of thing happens - repeatedly. But there are good reasons why rapes, and other crimes will continue to have an inordinate prominence in cities like Delhi. Rape gets more attention for its double violation, but if you put the statistics together you will notice a corresponding uptick in crime in general. Statistically speaking, crime in Delhi is directly proportional to the areas that are underserved by governance in terms of health, education, employment and inter alia, policing. Here, access to justice is in perverted conjugation with poverty, hygiene, space, general social conditions and a serious cultural misfit. That interlocks with the phenomenon of migration; that in turn, points to hovels and slums; that to poverty and that to overpopulation to the extent of living six to a room. Alcoholism, unemployment, hard conditions of labour and existence, hygiene so bad the gutter is your neighbourhood and sanitary conditions so poor women wait for dusk to relieve themselves. Now, letÃÔ talk about shame in the elegant language of civil engagement on womenÃÔ rights, gender equality and more esoteric subjects! In a south Delhi slum where some of my volunteers were working, a meeting was arranged for me to intervene and see what we could do to ameliorate their situation. I pointed out that I would focus on only one thing and so asked them to tell me the one thing they needed most which we could fix. I expected them to ask for water, or toilets or roads or even regularisation of their illegal hutments but they confounded me by asking for a policeman for the area. Why? Because, every night is a night of violation for their women; every evening a drunken brawl, a gambling sport and nobodyÃÔ sister, wife or daughter is really free from the claws of depraved humanity. Was it just an accident that this rape was committed by youth from such clusters? Or was the rape more heinous to bear because it compromises class distinctions, on some level. Was the middle class awakening laced with angst at one of their own violated by one of ÃÕhem? Nothing is an excuse. But the truth is not be excused either. The fact remains that the abnormalities of a poorly governed city are all over to see. At another level, let us examine the more fundamental aspects of such behaviour when juxtaposed in the cultural context. Often told that north India suffers this sort of behaviour more than other states, we slumber into thinking it has to do with the aggression normally linked to the north and north-west belts as against the more sombre south or the relatively matriarchical eastern belt, but statistics from West Bengal and Tripura taking the lionÃÔ share of crimes against women makes us revisit the theory. Cultural homogeneity too is no guarantee and we must come back to issues of governance. It was no accident too that the genesis of this crime had to do with a transport issue. Underserved areas with non- existent bus networks, almost zero investment in state-run buses and out of control corruption in the handing out of licences to private parties are all manifestations of the stateÃÔ failure. For a regime that has been in control of the administration for the last fourteen years uninterrupted, the inability of the state to provide a safe and reliable bus transport network are prime basis for such crimes to fester. This brings us to the conclusion that rapes happen because on the one hand there is the breakdown of civil arrangements of existence in cities and on the other hand a breakdown in control and deterrence, or inadequate policing. The gender aspects may all be real and right but at the end of the day a crime is a crime and if it were not that people had a general sense of being able to escape punishment, there would not be the flagrant violations we see today. To examine why this is so only needs a cursory look at the political interconnection between statehood and policing in the capital. Unlike other states, the state of Delhi does not control the police, which is a central subject. This is a serious abnormality in a democratic milieu where taxpayers cannot demand from their law makers, law and order. In a travesty of representation of people, those we anoint have no power, or indeed reason, to protect us. The absence of a vested interest for the political class to engage with our security creates the fault lines of the situation we see before us today. You cannot vote them out for failing to protect you. So with the victim now out of the way, and the Commissioner Police in the crosshairs, the Chief Minister of the state remains absolved of all guilt a situation she has enjoyed for close to three terms in what has to be termed as the ultimate aphrodisiac power without responsibility. http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/item/53101-the-delhi-underbelly.html
Crookbond Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 "Don't tell Sita not to cross the lakshman rekha. Tell Raavan not to take her away." - Karan Thapar
surajmal Posted January 4, 2013 Posted January 4, 2013 Nice one. So every woman is a sita and every man is a raavan. Don't expect anything else from the douche brigade. BTW why do people think Raavan was a bad human being? (other than abducting sita) I've my own reason (I would like other people's take on it)
AGHORI Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 25 years' court data proves RSS chief wrong; 75% of rape convicts from 'Bharat' NEW DELHI: Women's groups have criticised RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat 's view on rape in "India" and "Bharat" for being regressive. But data shows that not only are Bhagwat's views regressive, they're also plain wrong. While the National Crime Records Bureau does not split registered cases of sexual assault by rural and urban areas, Mrinal Satish, an associate professor of law at Delhi's National Law University, used court data to find that 75% of rape cases that led to convictions over thelast 25 years were from rural India. For his doctoral dissertation at the Yale Law School in the US, Satish looked at all high court and Supreme Court cases involving rape reported in the Criminal Law Journal (which reports criminal law cases ) between 1983 and 2009 in which at least one court (trial court, HC or SC) had convicted the accused. The data thus does not include cases in which the accused was acquitted at all levels. Satish also had to leave out cases that were not for some reason reported in the Journal . He found that over 80% of these rapecases in high courts and close to 75%of rape cases in the Supreme Court came from rural areas. Close to 75% of gang rape cases in HCs and 63% of gang rape cases in the SC came from rural areas. Over 65% of cases involving the rape of a child (less than 12 years old) came from rural areas. On average, 75% of all rape cases in higher courts that had led to at least one conviction came from rural areas. While the numbers are fairly proportional to India's rural/urban population, they do disprove Bhagwat's statement that rapes do not take place in rural areas. "Rape as a tool of caste violence is rampant in rural areas," says KalpanaViswanath of the women's rights group Jagori. "The controlling of women's bodies through institutionslike khap panchayats is also a rural phenomenon," says Viswanath. Moreover, activists hotly dispute Bhagwat's attempt to draw a correlation between "modernity" and rape. For one, custodial rape, which has little correlation with"modernity", is rampant in India. Thecase that changed the history of rapelaw in India, the Mathura rape case in which two policemen in north-east Maharashtra raped a tribal girl in a police station, was a case of custodial rape. Rapes of disabled women, patients in hospitals, children and older women - all with little association with "modernity" - are extremely common, Viswanath adds. "Ultimately this is an attempt to take the debate back to making rape the fault of women, rather than focusing attention on where it's needed, on society and institutions," says Viswanath. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/25-years-court-data-proves-RSS-chief-wrong-75-of-rape-convicts-from-Bharat/articleshow/17895592.cms
AGHORI Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Iam sure there are lot of unreported cases from rural areas.I don't know how the village panchayats are going to react to this
punjabi_khota Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Iam sure there are lot of unreported cases from rural areas.I don't know how the village panchayats are going to react to this They will ban reading doctoral dissertations since it is not suitable for Bharat. :hysterical::hysterical:
Prakat Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 Good girls go to heaven, bad girls go everywhere. :hehe:
AGHORI Posted January 5, 2013 Posted January 5, 2013 They will ban reading doctoral dissertations since it is not suitable for Bharat. :hysterical::hysterical: :haha:
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