surajmal Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 And here is the actual quote. CONTEXT!!! At the outset we must bear in mind that so far as 'nation' is concerned, all those, who fall outside the five-fold limits of that idea, can have no place in the national life, unless they abandon their differences, adopt the religion, culture and language of the Nation and completely merge themselves in the National Race. So long, however, as they maintain their racial, religious and cultural differences, they cannot but be only foreigners, who may be either friendly or inimical to the Nation. In all ancient Nations i. e. all those who had a well developed National life even before the Great War, this view is adopted. Though these Nations practise religious toleration, the strangers have to acknowledge the National religion as the state Religion and in every other respect, inseparably merge in the National community. Culturally, linguistically they must become one with the National race; they must adopt the past and entertain the aspirations for the future, of the National Race; in short, they must be '"Naturalized" in the country by being assimilated in the Nation wholly. Naturally, there are no foreigners in these old Nations, and no one to tax the generosity of the Nation by demanding privileges, as 'Minority communities' in the State. It is this sentiment which prompted the United States of America, England, France and other old Nations to refuse to apply the solution of the Minorities problem arrived at by the League of Nations, to their States. The avowed reason for their declaration, that the decision of the League was not binding upon them, was that its application might shatter the unity of their empire and create uncalled-for difficulties, by rousing the demon of separateness and variegated interests of the distinct minorities, which had been so long laid at rest. The same sentiment has been expressed in the speech of the American Representative to the League, on the occasion of discussing the advisability of applying the "Minorities" decision to all the countries in the world. He said, there are no distinctive characteristics in respect of Race, Language and Religion between the elements forming each of the peoples of that continent (America). Uniformity of language throughout the territory of each American State, complete religious tolerance combined with a completely natural assimilation of emigrants by the principal mass of population of each of the States, have produced in them natural organisations, of which the collective unity is complete. This means that the existence of minorities, in the sense of persons with a right to the protection of the League of Nations, is impossible ". It is worth bearing well in mind how these old Nations solve their minorities problem. They do not undertake to recognise any separate elements in their polity. Emigrants have to get themselves naturally assimilated in the principal mass of population, the National Race, by adopting its culture and language and sharing in its aspirations, by losing all consciousness of their separate existence, forgetting their foreign origin. If they do not do so, they live merely as outsiders, bound by all the codes and conventions of the Nation, at the sufferance of the Nation and deserving of no special protection, far less any privilege or rights. There are only two courses open to the foreign elements, either to merge themselves in the national race and adopt its culture, or to live at its mercy so long as the national race may allow them to do so and to quit the country at the sweet will of the national race. That is the only sound view on the minorities problem. That is the only logical and correct solution. That alone keeps the national life healthy and undisturbed. That alone keeps the Nation safe from the danger of a cancer developing into its body politic of the creation of a state within the state. Prom this standpoint, sanctioned by the experience of shrewd old nations, the foreign races in Hindusthan must either adopt the Hindu culture and language, must learn to respect and hold in reverence Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but those of the glorification of the Hindu race and culture, i.e., of the Hindu nation and must lose their separate existence to merge in the Hindu race, or may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu Nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment -not even citizen's rights. There is, at least should be, no other course for them to adopt. We are an old nation; let us deal, as old nations ought to and do deal, with the foreign races, who have chosen to live in our country.
surajmal Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 There is no said minorty. RSS holds that view for all minorities- muslims and christians included. Also RSS is not the ruling party in India therefore growth of any minority population cannot be attributed to its ideology or lack of per se. Has Bhagwat made Anti minority sermons?
surajmal Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Shinde has weakened India's security. He should be sacked There is a picture from the recent Congress chintan shivir strategy session that succinctly encapulates the tragedy of India in just one telling frame. Rahul Gandhi, the yuvraj who is being primed for coronation for the top job, is seated centre-stage; his regal gaze is directed at the assemblage of courtiers seated on the dais, and his hand is raised in acknowledgement of their ritual show of propitiation. The attention of virtually everyone on stage is focussed on Rahul Gandhi, given that it was his ÃÄoming-out party worthy of a Lion King moment, and each of them in turn is performing bodily contortions and craning their necks to ensure that their show of wholesale deference doesn't miss the yuvraj's eye. But the one whose head is bowed the lowest, the one whose callisthenic contortions have him virtually scraping the floor of the dais, is the man who is notionally India's Home Minister, Sushil Kumar Shinde. As in the comical scene from The King and I, where the King of Siam's subject bows low to abide by courtly protocol that dictates that no head be held higher than the king's, Shinde can be seen performing the nearest thing to a flat-out genuflection to someone who is about half his age, but who will preside over his political destiny. If Shinde, as a loyal party worker, wishes to make a public spectacle of his servitude to the de facto royalty that lords over the Congress, at what is after all a party event, who can stop him? After all, the man has in the past disgraced himself with comments suggesting that as party president Sonia Gandhi's soldier he would shoot to kill if she directed him to. But what Shinde said at the party platform that the BJP and RSS were running terrorist training camps and sponsoring "Hindu terror" is not just an affront to the BJP and the RSS, but a dangerous gambit in the politicisation of terrorism that has already profoundly embarrassed the country and made a mockery of our diligently built-up case in the court of public opinion that India is the victim of terrorism sponsored by Pakistani. At one fell stroke, Shinde has scored a spectacular self-goal against India, creating the space for jihadi low-life terrorists such as Hafiz Saeed and his sponsors within the Pakistani Army and ISI to go on the offensive against India and clamour for India to be declared a "terrorist state" Far more seriously, Shinde has provided jihadi terror groups such as the Lashkar-e-Taiba and its front organisation, the Jamaat-ud-Dawa, the propaganda platform from which they can use his comments as a hook to enlist and indoctrinate foolish minds in visceral anti-India hatred, in the way that they already do. As the excerpts, published in The Hindu, of the book Headley and I (written by Hussain S Zaidi and filmmaker Mahesh Bhatt's son Rahul Bhatt) establish starkly, there is a thriving hate industry in Pakistan that is directed at India and flourishes with the active direction of the Pakistani Army and the ISI. As David Coleman Headley, the man who recce-ed Mumbai ahead of the November 2008 terror attack, narrates, the ISI harnessed the indoctrinated jihadis, who had been trained in terrorism techniques by the LeT and primed to lay down their lives in the cause of Islam, and channelled them in the cause of the ISI's own agenda: the destabilisation of India. All this was, of course, always known and has been sufficiently well-documented. Yet, the Home Minister of India has never conveyed any sense of perturbation over the very serious threat to India posed by the jihadi hate industry across the border. For him now to pick on random acts of low-intensity terror allegedly perpetrated by breakaway renegades (whose trials have not even fully established their culpability) from right-wing groups in India and project the BJP, a mainstream political party, and the RSS, the above-board mothership organisation, as the real existential threat to India, is perverse and dangerous in the extreme. There is, of course, much that fringe far-right fundamentalist organisations even within India have to answer for for their role in creating an enabling atmosphere for random acts of terrorism to be perpetrated. But if Shinde had compelling information on any such terrorism activity, his first responsibility should have been to initiate action against them rather than sound off on a party platform and inflame communal passions. In any case, such 'hate laboratories' exist across all religious denominations, as the Owaisi brothers manifest attempt to feed Muslim victimhood and radicalisation establishes. For the Home Minister of India to wilfully ignore these far more egregious examples of hate-mongering and jihadi indoctrination and instead pick on the anecdotally fewer instances of renegade acts of terror (that haven't had their day in court) and blatantly politicise and communalise the debate on terrorism is lethal. It isn't often that it can be said that the Union Home Minister represents a clear and present danger to national security. But with his motormouth indiscretions and his blinkered and partisan worldview on terrorism, Shinde has established the validity of that statement. It isn't just enough for Shinde to apologise to the BJP or the RSS. For the grave damage he has inflicted on India's case in the court of international opinion (vis-a-vis Pakistan-sponsored terrorism) and for the additional security threat that he has exposed Indians to (by providing the LeT and other terror groups the oxygen of propaganda to recruit more jihadists for their anti-India campaign), Shinde should resign as Home Minister - and devote himself to a lifetime of performing ritual genuflections before party royalty. And the Congress owes an the nation an apology for having inflicted such a demonstrably incompetent sycophant in so important a portfolio as the Home Ministry and for putting India's security on the line and the lives of ordinary Indians in grave danger. http://www.firstpost.com/politics/shinde-has-weakened-indias-security-he-should-be-sacked-596969.html
seedhi Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 "The non-Hindu people of Hindustan must either adopt Hindu culture and languages, must learn and respect and hold in reverence the Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but of those of glorification of the Hindu race and culture... in a word they must cease to be foreigners; Or may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment not even citizens' rights" MS Golwalkar RSS Ideologue and Head of the RSS for 33 yearsThis was ages ago. This particular book especially these views were never adopted by the RSS, and never taught in its shakhas even during Golwalkar's time. The RSS itself has formally dissociated from them. RSS officially disowns Golwalkar's book http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2006-03-09/india/27815087_1_m-s-golwalkar-rss-cultural-nationalism Going by your logic, the founding fathers of the USA were into slavery, does that mean that USA stands for slavery today? You actually made a specific allegation that RSS training camps do anti-minority indoctrination. Pray give any sort of evidence to support that claim.
Trichromatic Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 After Shinde's comment, Hafiz Saeed says declare India as Terror state Lahore: Mumbai attacks mastermind and LeT founder Hafiz Saeed today sought to exploit Home Minister Sushilkumar Shinde's jibe against RSS and BJP saying Indian propaganda against Pakistani organisations of spreading terror now stood exposed? A day after Shinde accused BJP and RSS of running terror camps and indulging in Hindu terror, Saeed went to the extend of levelling an accusation that Indian organisations were involved in all kinds of terrorism in Pakistan? Saeed, for whom the US has announced a $10 million bounty, told a press conference here that India always resorted to propaganda against Pakistani organisations but it now stood exposed? He claimed: India tried to involve us in the Mumbai attacks but after a passage of five years, nothing has been established against us in the courts? Saeed, who now heads JuD, also made a ridiculous demand asking the Pakistan government to take steps to get India declared a terrorist state by the UN Security Council. Thank You Mr. Shinde. :hatsoff:
Raghav_12 Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Hafeez is right. A country where main opposition party runs terrorist camps has to be terrorist state.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 The joker talks about Pakistani courts.LOL.Which terrorist ever got convicted there.Time to take this idiot out. Sent from my GT-I9103 using Tapatalk 2
Trichromatic Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Hafeez is right. A country where main opposition party runs terrorist camps has to be terrorist state. +1. Is there any terrorist organization part of political setup in Pakistan? I doubt that. In that case, a country where a terrorist organization has govt in many states and is 2nd biggest party has no right to label other countries as terrorist country. Since the statement has came directly from government of India, so the country should be declared a terrorist state.
Trichromatic Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 The joker talks about Pakistani courts.LOL.Which terrorist ever got convicted there.Time to take this idiot out. Sent from my GT-I9103 using Tapatalk 2 Just taking idiot out won't change anything. Loss has been done. Either govt should officially release a clarification and remove him or just request UN to declare India a terrorist state. I was going to vote for Congress in next elections. But it seems that voting is useless now.
Trichromatic Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 New Delhi: Parliament attack convict Hafiz Saeed on Monday praised Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde for his remark that the principal Opposition party, the BJP and its ally, the RSS, were promoting Hindu terrorism through their training camps. Praising the minister, Saeed said, 'Shinde has spoken truth finally. We consider this a help from Allah for Pakistan which is always (accused) by India for terrorism.' Terrorist group, the Jamaat-ud-Dawa too tweeted, saying, 'We appreciate Media, rightly judging the enormity of Indian ministers confessional statement'. :phehehe:
CSK Fan Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Well Shinde is just looking to strengthen ties with parties across the border so that once we have the "big war" according to posters here, and we capture Pak and become one nation, Congress can form alliances with parties of Pak
game_changerr Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 What shinde and doggy are doing are helping bjp. how?????only one i can see benefitting is kangress......as these comments are desperate attempt to polarize minority,,,,and they hav already support of sc/st and obc(courtesy vp singh,arjun singh and now reservation at promotion)
Clarke Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Well Shinde is just looking to strengthen ties with parties across the border so that once we have the "big war" according to posters here' date=' and we capture Pak and become one nation, Congress can form alliances with parties of Pak[/quote'] Ha Ha! Who's divisive now :finger:
jairamesh Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Why is Hafiz is crying, is it only Pakistan who have monopoly over terrorism?! India is still new to it, and will soon be exporting it to pakiland. Then UN can label India terrorist state. The UN should definetly label Gujarat a haven for terrorists intertwined with fascism.
yoda Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Exactly what we mean by enemies inside the border.
Texy Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Why blame Hafiz Saeed when A-holes like Shinde exists. Diggy Singh would've been proud.
ravishingravi Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Diggi Raja :- HM stated the facts but did not use appropriate words
Needforspeed Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 I shudder to think what will happen to the country if Congress especially under that Retarded Crown prince wins another term.
King Tendulkar Posted January 22, 2013 Posted January 22, 2013 Hafeez is right. A country where main opposition party runs terrorist camps has to be terrorist state. But they dont!!! So wtf are you going on about. Enemies within the border seem to be the pc brigade, desperate to put india on same level as pakis. We are superirior in everyway possible, so just deal with it chumps
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