someone Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 People did not voluntarily stay in "lock down" - they were either doing it out of fear or the police requested to. They always a choice as no one is forcing them, but they choose to co-operate with the police. That would have never happened in India. Something for our Indian public to learn as well. Anyways, this lesson proves that to fight criminals, the whole society (police + public + government) must work together. India does not have that equation and thus we have failed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 They always a choice as no one is forcing them, but they choose to co-operate with the police. That would have never happened in India. Something for our Indian public to learn as well. Anyways, this lesson proves that to fight criminals, the whole society (police + public + government) must work together. India does not have that equation and thus we have failed so far. It was almost forced - taxi services etc. closed down. But I agree, that those people co-operated with the police. Why? Well, if you have faith in an institution you co-operate. I also agree to your holistic - police + government + public theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Also, using 'resilent' to a city/city people after a tragedy is so cliche'd. Which city is not resilent? When tragedy strikes, other than the family, who will sit down at home and mope? After a few days everybody is back to their jobs after get on with their lives. Boston is resilent, New York city was after 9/11, etc. Total BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Also' date= using 'resilent' to a city/city people after a tragedy is so cliche'd. Which city is not resilent? When tragedy strikes, other than the family, who will sit down at home and mope? After a few days everybody is back to their jobs after get on with their lives. Boston is resilent, New York city was after 9/11, etc. Total BS. Very true. However I am not sure if there is any other word that rallies the people of a terror hit city. any better. Speaking specifically about Boston, I was a bit unamused when I saw kids (mostly students) in streets chanting Boston-Boston once the terrorist was captured. What exactly did that signify? Not sure but maybe at times like this people do weird unexplainable things. Kind of liked David Ortiz (Big Papi from Red Sox) whole - This is our f*king city comment though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey #10 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Mr. WannabeKnowitall, This is America, there is no such thing as "forced curfew". The police can only request people to lock themselves but it's in the People's right to not follow what the police says while practicing their freedom. Which technically derives to "voluntary lock-down" People simply cooperated with the police by voluntarily locking themselves in their homes, offices etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swing_n_Speed Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 They dont want even one more innocent to get killed. usually forces tire out suspects so they surrender or are less aggressive. What if he is in a house with a normal family with bombs around the house ?How do you think technology can help the forces in that situation ? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_ztMtty9fY]Helicopter Video - YouTube[/ame] This is how technology can help. They cornered the suspect, could see his movements, fired at him etc etc. That dude was a sitting duck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swing_n_Speed Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Mr. WannabeKnowitall, This is America, there is no such thing as "forced curfew". The police can only request people to lock themselves but it's in the People's right to not follow what the police says while practicing their freedom. Which technically derives to "voluntary lock-down" People simply cooperated with the police by voluntarily locking themselves in their homes, offices etc. I believe there was a forced curfew and subsequently the curfew was lifted http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/266672#.UXP3yrVaWSo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The "voluntary curfew" (or whatever the sh!t you want to call it) was because people scared for their life and not because of some misplaced sense of American righteousness - know the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey #10 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 I believe there was a forced curfew and subsequently the curfew was lifted http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/Flash.aspx/266672#.UXP3yrVaWSo israel national news...:hmmm: It was an advisory to the public to keep away from the streets to allow the law enforcement to be more efficient and of course public safety concerns. The "voluntary curfew" (or whatever the sh!t you want to call it) was because people scared for their life and not because of some misplaced sense of American righteousness - know the difference. and the point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crookbond Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The point is that call a spade a spade. You are making a decision made out sheer fear plus a complete lock down (no public services etc.) as "co-operation with the police". However, I will agree to you that American citizens would co-operate with the police more than Indian citizens. But, the actual issue is faith/effectiveness in the US justice system and not because Indian citizens do not want to co-operate. Culture always flows top-down, not bottom-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey #10 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 The point is that call a spade a spade. You are making a decision made out sheer fear plus a complete lock down (no public services etc.) as "co-operation with the police". However' date=' I will agree to you that American citizens would co-operate with the police more than Indian citizens. But, the actual issue is faith/effectiveness in the US justice system and not because Indian citizens do not want to co-operate. Culture always flows top-down, not bottom-up.[/quote'] Let's read this one more time and then read my first post about "voluntary lock down". After that, come back and tell me where you disagree. :hmmm: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swing_n_Speed Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/boston-lockdown-residents-are-asked-shelter-place-while-cops-sweep-watertown/64383/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/19/us-usa-explosions-boston-transit-idUSBRE93I1AH20130419 if as you say it was an advisory then why do they themselves call it an order? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelter_in_place http://www.usatoday.com/videos/news/2013/04/19/2096213/ ABC News Jump to 6:07pm the words they use "Mass. Gov. Deval Patrick lifts curfew on Boston and reopens mass transit" http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/04/live-updates-boston-bombing-suspect-dead-in-shootout/ [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o9oPhjXPzQ]Boston manhunt resident films police searching homes - YouTube[/ame] This didn't seem very voluntary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey #10 Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 ^It's not enforced. It's something the public can choose or not choose to cooperate with! How hard is it? Deval patrick - "We are asking people to shelter in place...we're asking the public to take it seriously to assist the law enforcement by following those simple instructions...we're going to need public to help us help them stay safe"...Public helped them help public stay safe by following those simple instructions. It's not enforced, more like a request. Media will obviously use all the words in their dictionary to make a spicy headline! Media is a business after all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punjabi_khota Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 It wasn't mandatory people. I was out for 20 minutes to look for coffee/food, no luck obviously :dontknow:..but there were few people walking around... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted April 21, 2013 Share Posted April 21, 2013 Mr. WannabeKnowitall, This is America, there is no such thing as "forced curfew". The police can only request people to lock themselves but it's in the People's right to not follow what the police says while practicing their freedom. Which technically derives to "voluntary lock-down" People simply cooperated with the police by voluntarily locking themselves in their homes, offices etc. Just today, the Mississippi river has been blocked for a certain stretch due to stray barges. It's not voluntary but enforced. I have personally been asked to evacuate from the Everglades National Park due to an approaching hurricane - not that I wanted to stay there in the hurricane, but there was no choice offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Very true. However I am not sure if there is any other word that rallies the people of a terror hit city. any better. Speaking specifically about Boston, I was a bit unamused when I saw kids (mostly students) in streets chanting Boston-Boston once the terrorist was captured. What exactly did that signify? Not sure but maybe at times like this people do weird unexplainable things. Kind of liked David Ortiz (Big Papi from Red Sox) whole - This is our f*king city comment though. I was amused though. Extremely sad that 3 people died. But just to get the context right, these are kids recently killed from drones So this misplaced sense of self righteousness is interesting to observe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnterTheVoid Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 I was amused though. Extremely sad that 3 people died. But just to get the context right, these are kids recently killed from drones So this misplaced sense of self righteousness is interesting to observe. No use mate. Had this same incident happened anywhere else, nobody would care. At best, it would maybe be given a small paragraph or two in the margins somewhere. RIP to the victims but a sense of proportionality in the reporting is needed. They won't shut up about this incident here in Seoul, ironic since they have more immediate and pressing dangers to worry about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jersey #10 Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Just today' date=' the Mississippi river has been blocked for a certain stretch due to stray barges. It's not voluntary but enforced. I have personally been asked to evacuate from the Everglades National Park due to an approaching hurricane - not that I wanted to stay there in the hurricane, but there was no choice offered.[/quote'] Its illegal to make you follow their orders unless if you are causing a crime or hurting someone else. They can warn you or request you. During storm sandy,millions of people we asked to either move to a safer area or stay inside. A lot of people didn't follow these warnings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Its illegal to make you follow their orders unless if you are causing a crime or hurting someone else. They can warn you or request you. During storm sandy' date='millions of people we asked to either move to a safer area or stay inside. A lot of people didn't follow these warnings.[/quote'] Were you sleeping in Sandy? There were two categories of evacuations - mandatory and voluntary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomainK Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Indeed, the Boston police's act on that day is being considered a gross large scale violation of human rights in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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