Are Indian fans applying a 'reverse Tebbit test'?

[Crookbond]

Pakistan is not a friendly country and you don't want your fellow citizen to celebrate their victory. When an entire country considers Pakistan as their enemy and when you see few Muslims celebrating pak's victory like theirs' date=' its an ugly situation. I would not mind if they celebrate aussie's victory against us because Australia or kiwis are not considered as our enemies.[/quote'] It's still just a sport. Your argument may hold water for a war but in sport counts for zilch.

[Muloghonto]

Pakistan is not a friendly country and you don't want your fellow citizen to celebrate their victory. When an entire country considers Pakistan as their enemy and when you see few Muslims celebrating pak's victory like theirs' date=' its an ugly situation. I would not mind if they celebrate aussie's victory against us because Australia or kiwis are not considered as our enemies.[/quote'] Meh. Its still a sport. if it wasnt for the fat aloo pretending to be a batsman, I'd have supported Pakistan too- considering how big my man-crush on Akram was. :winky:

[Rocky Balboa]

It's still just a sport. Your argument may hold water for a war but in sport counts for zilch.

cricket is not just a sport in India. Emotions run very high in an India Pak cricket match.

[bihutoli]

It feels really odd with British born/brought up supporters of Indian origin booing Bopara, calling him a sellout, a coconut, for playing for England, while themselves probably earning their living in the UK. I'm assuming it was just banter, nobody who actually booed Bopara really believed that Ravi was in the wrong here.

[Captain of Bhangra]

Supporting Pakistan in India (and vice-versa) is a different story. The tension between the 2 countries comes into play. You do it at your own risk. The English would do the same if you supported a country they have problems with. I took flak recently for absent-mindedly wearing a retro Argentine football shirt when tensions were rising over the Falklands. I don't support Argentina, I just liked the shirt...

[Rocky Balboa]

Meh. Its still a sport. if it wasnt for the fat aloo pretending to be a batsman, I'd have supported Pakistan too- considering how big my man-crush on Akram was. :winky:

cricket is more than a sport in India.

[maniac]

Let's ask the question in reverse,are Indians and other South Asian Immigrants treated as Locals? I mean African Americans have assimilated but 3rd and 4th generation of Asians(Indian SC and Chinese immigrants) not so much

[hhunaeh]

Let's ask the question in reverse,are Indians and other South Asian Immigrants treated as Locals? I mean African Americans have assimilated but 3rd and 4th generation of Asians(Indian SC and Chinese immigrants) not so much

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[Muloghonto]

Let's ask the question in reverse,are Indians and other South Asian Immigrants treated as Locals? I mean African Americans have assimilated but 3rd and 4th generation of Asians(Indian SC and Chinese immigrants) not so much

I am a first gen. Canadian citizen (formerly US citizen too) who used to be an Indian citizen. I lived in India till i was 17, when i came over here. My wife is non-desi, about 25% of my friends are desis and the rest are non-desis. Havnt faced any discrimination from the white folks here, unless they are 50+. So yes, I feel fully integrated with the Canucks.

[maniac]

I am a first gen. Canadian citizen (formerly US citizen too) who used to be an Indian citizen. I lived in India till i was 17, when i came over here. My wife is non-desi, about 25% of my friends are desis and the rest are non-desis. Havnt faced any discrimination from the white folks here, unless they are 50+. So yes, I feel fully integrated with the Canucks.

Racial discrimination or Profiling is different from Assimilation. For eg;If an Indian grew up in Alabama and spoke in that drawl,would he still be able to be the posterboy of an All-American product compared to say an African American or a White-American. I have never faced discrimination despite being a 1st-Gen but I still get questions about Ashrams and Yoga....I have seen a lot of 2nd-3rd-gen Chinese friends getting questions about places where they could get hold of rip-offs of designer products etc if they visited china. WIll an African-American get the same question about say the fauna of Africa or something of that nature?

[Muloghonto]

Racial discrimination or Profiling is different from Assimilation. For eg;If an Indian grew up in Alabama and spoke in that drawl,would he still be able to be the posterboy of an All-American product compared to say an African American or a White-American. I have never faced discrimination despite being a 1st-Gen but I still get questions about Ashrams and Yoga....I have seen a lot of 2nd-3rd-gen Chinese friends getting questions about places where they could get hold of rip-offs of designer products etc if they visited china. WIll an African-American get the same question about say the fauna of Africa or something of that nature?

Err its too easy to be labelled a racist if you are non-black addressing anything to do with blacks, so most dont bother. As for profiling, trust me, Canada is one of the most profile-free societies you can think of. Our 'profiling countrywide average' is akin to SF bay area profiling. Except for the Swedes I cant think of any other nation where race matters so little. PS: Most Canucks think Indians = Punjabis. I have gotten 'kitthe paaji' more often than 'namaste'.

[maniac]

Err its too easy to be labelled a racist if you are non-black addressing anything to do with blacks, so most dont bother. As for profiling, trust me, Canada is one of the most profile-free societies you can think of. Our 'profiling countrywide average' is akin to SF bay area profiling. Except for the Swedes I cant think of any other nation where race matters so little. PS: Most Canucks think Indians = Punjabis. I have gotten 'kitthe paaji' more often than 'namaste'.

Exactly my point and also may be similar in the U.K where there is a significant populace of people of East-Indian origin where it is understood that we have a seperate culture and identity. So when we are identified with a certain culture it makes more sense for that group to form a sense of belonging - in this scenario to a cricket team, because spors is more cultural than political for that to be associated with patriotism. I mean if a certain group or community celebrates bombings and other such activities now that is a completely different scenario and cannot be compared. I am sure most ex-patriots of East-Indian origin would support a club team like Man-u or Arsenal over an Indian football team. Cricket is too much of a cultural thing that you can't judge a person's patriotism based on that. I am sure the Sikh who was wearing English Jersey was just trying too hard there but I don't agree with the "Coconu" chants and the rinbbing.

[Muloghonto]

Exactly my point and also may be similar in the U.K where there is a significant populace of people of East-Indian origin where it is understood that we have a seperate culture and identity.

Well over 50% of Indo-Canadians are Punjabi-Canadians, so i understand why they think we are all Sikhs. Most of my friends were/are shocked when i tell them that Punjabis are like 5% of Indian population.

[The Outsider]

For eg;If an Indian grew up in Alabama and spoke in that drawl,would he still be able to be the posterboy of an All-American product compared to say an African American or a White-American.

Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley, both from red states in fact. Not that I am a fan of either, but they definitely show that assimilation is a reality.

[maniac]

Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley' date=' both from red states in fact. Not that I am a fan of either, but they definitely show that assimilation is a reality.[/quote'] From their end maybe....one of them even identifies herself as white :giggle: Let one of them be a presidential nominee and then I will agree... Also Obama's Kenyan heritage is a mere footnote where as an Indian and Pakistani no matter how many generations of assimilation their global political opinions leave alone desicions, related to our part of the world will be looked under a microscope :sherlock:

[vvvslaxman]

Coconut - :hysterical: EPIC!

Ingenious terming :giggle:

[Muloghonto]

Ingenious terming :giggle:

They call the cheenis trying to be too white as bananas.

[The Outsider]

From their end maybe....one of them even identifies herself as white :giggle: Let one of them be a presidential nominee and then I will agree...

Can't get more assimilated than that. Both speak the same loony tongue of their voters and supporters as well. :hysterical: Jindal will definitely be in the primaries either this or the next time. Getting a nomination is a long shot though. But I don't feel that's going to be due to the assimilation factor, but the fact that he is a jackass even by Republican standards.

[maniac]

They call the cheenis trying to be too white as bananas.

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[Captain of Bhangra]

The term “Coconut” has been around in the UK since I was a little child. I've always thought the black community invented it, as they were the ones I used to see using it. That, and “Bounty”. I think Indians and Pakistanis stole those terms. I haven't heard a black person use those terms in decades, but still see “Coconut” used by Indians and Pakistanis...