Era of Fast bowling over?

[King Tendulkar]

To me it seems as if we have reached a point were bowlers run in and clock mid 80s, try and bowl good areas and bore people out. It seems as if everyone is opting down Mcgrath route. There are no extreme pacer clocking 90 mph plus and blowing batsman away. Look at recent ashes. All the seamers are averaging around 84mph bracket according to stats, with fastest at around 87mph. Look at steyn and anderson, mostly operate mid 80s now. Looking to focus on movement and then get reverse later on. Seems the days of fast bowler intimidating oppo is sadly over. Any who can bowl fast operate on lower levels to play more volume of games and opt for tactic of containment ans pressure through dying up runs.

[rkt.india]

T It seems as if everyone is opting down Mcgrath route. There are no extreme pacer clocking 90 mph plus and blowing batsman away. .

There has not been many extreme pacers in the history of cricket. You cannot name many apart from Lee, Akhtar, Thomson, Holding, etc.

[G_B_]

with the amount of cricket played IMO nobody wants the injuries. The likes of Holding Lillee etc played in an era where the workload was low. Holding for example played 60 tests over a 12 year period. Thats 5 tests per year. In total he played 633 matches over a 17 year cricket career. Thats about 38 matches in the one day ,4 and 5 day format in a year or roughly about 90 days of cricket in the year. Somebody of Anderson currently plays about 130 odds days of cricket in the year. Somebody like Ishant has already played 281 matches (excluding T20s at any level) in a 7 year career spanning 7 years. Despite having periods when he has been injured and not been part of the main ODI side. Thats about 40 matches per year. You add T20 and that workload further spikes. There also seems to be a dearth of real allrounders in world cricket. Most sides are playing with 4 frontline bowlers. That means more overs to bowl for the frontline bowlers.

[saneindian]

SInce the time speed guns have been used, how many pacers bowled at 90 mph average in tests? Even Akthar or Lee hardly bowled that quick consistently through a match. A couple of pacy spells here and there and thats about it. Not very different from how it is right now. Pattinson was bowling 87-88 mph in India with fastest around 92-93 mph

[rkt.india]

SInce the time speed guns have been used, how many pacers bowled at 90 mph average in tests? Even Akthar or Lee hardly bowled that quick consistently through a match. A couple of pacy spells here and there and thats about it. Not very different from how it is right now. Pattinson was bowling 87-88 mph in India with fastest around 92-93 mph

But we had some mythical fast bowlers in 70s and 80s who could bowl 25 overs a day at 90-95 mph.:winky:

[rkt.india]

Even the fastest bowlers bowl at around 86-87 mph average speed in tests.

[rkt.india]

with the amount of cricket played IMO nobody wants the injuries. The likes of Holding Lillee etc played in an era where the workload was low.

Lillie was quick only for 2 years period 1971-1973. After that, he lost pace because of a serious back stress fracture in 1973.

[The Outsider]

with the amount of cricket played IMO nobody wants the injuries. The likes of Holding Lillee etc played in an era where the workload was low. Holding for example played 60 tests over a 12 year period. Thats 5 tests per year. In total he played 633 matches over a 17 year cricket career. Thats about 38 matches in the one day ,4 and 5 day format in a year or roughly about 90 days of cricket in the year. Somebody of Anderson currently plays about 130 odds days of cricket in the year. Somebody like Ishant has already played 281 matches (excluding T20s at any level) in a 7 year career spanning 7 years. Despite having periods when he has been injured and not been part of the main ODI side. Thats about 40 matches per year. You add T20 and that workload further spikes. There also seems to be a dearth of real allrounders in world cricket. Most sides are playing with 4 frontline bowlers. That means more overs to bowl for the frontline bowlers.

LOL! Take a look at the number of overs bowled and the number of FC matches those guys played. Holding, from your example, bowled 50,000+ deliveries at FC and List A level. Marshall bowled 95,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. Imran bowled 85,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. As a comparison, Lee was done after bowling 40,000+ deliveries. At least check some facts before making a post.

[rkt.india]

LOL! Take a look at the number of overs bowled and the number of FC matches those guys played. Holding, from your example, bowled 50,000+ deliveries at FC and List A level. Marshall bowled 95,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. Imran bowled 85,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. As a comparison, Lee was done after bowling 40,000+ deliveries. At least check some facts before making a post.

But do you think they bowled with the same intensity at every level? Marshall and Imran anyway were not in the pace Bracket of Brett Lee. There are too many myths which I think will never be busted.

[The Outsider]

But do you think they bowled with the same intensity at every level? Marshall and Imran anyway were not in the pace Bracket of Brett Lee. There are too many myths which I think will never be busted.

Sure, Marshall wasn't as quick as Lee. It's not possible to have a reasonable conversation when you have that kind of premise. Imran was around the Lee speed, slightly less maybe 3-4 mph slower on average, for a good 8-10 years of his career.

[rkt.india]

Sure, Marshall wasn't as quick as Lee. It's not possible to have a reasonable conversation when you have that kind of premise. Imran was around the Lee speed, slightly less maybe 3-4 mph slower on average, for a good 8-10 years of his career.

I can only go with videos I have seen and from there, I always think most of them such as Marshall, Holding, etc., were like Dale Steyn rather than Lee. They used pace as a weapon not as a stock ball. They knew when to go all out and when to curb like Steyn does and that is the reason why they could bowl more and had longer careers. I dont think anyone can last long going all out every time he takes a ball in his hand because that is virtually impossible. The only bowler I consider was the real express pacer was Jeff Thomson who would try to bowl as quick most of the time and his career was pretty short. Lillie was express when he started out but could not last long with that pace and lost a lot of pace when he got back stress fracture in 1973.

[The Outsider]

I can only go with videos I have seen and from there' date=' I always think most of them such as Marshall, Holding, etc., were like Dale Steyn rather than Lee. They used pace as a weapon not as a stock ball. They knew when to go all out and when to curb like Steyn does and that is the reason why they could bowl more and had longer careers. I dont think anyone can last long going all out every time he takes a ball in his hand because that is virtually impossible. The only bowler I consider was the real express pacer was Jeff Thomson who would try to bowl as quick most of the time and his career was pretty short. Lillie was express when he started out but could not last long with that pace and lost a lot of pace when he got back stress fracture in 1973.[/quote'] You are wrong. But even assuming you are right, look at the post I quoted while replying. The poster had used Anderson and Ishant as examples from the modern era. Would you say Marshall, Imran, and Holding were slower than them?

[Vilander]

till today i have not seen one bit of video evidence that anyone outside of modern greats like Lee,Akthar,Steyn etc bowled 150+ spells in Tests. I think the biggest myth is the one that all yesteryear great pace bowlers were speed demons and present day ones who are visibly super athletes are all trundlers in comparison though.

[Vilander]

Sure, Marshall wasn't as quick as Lee. It's not possible to have a reasonable conversation when you have that kind of premise. Imran was around the Lee speed, slightly less maybe 3-4 mph slower on average, for a good 8-10 years of his career.

whats your evidence ?

[CG]

Actually This is the era of fast bowlers.Never ever we had so many bowlers with the ability to bowl 140+ and reach 150ks. India-Ishant,Yadav,Aaron Pak-Irfan,Wahab Riaz Australia-Pattinson,Cummins,Starc,Johnson, SA-Steyn,Morkel,De lange WI-Roach,Best ,Holder will get quicker Srilanka-Malinga,Pradeep Decent Pace Eng-Finn,Meaker. I think sky sports are calculating the speed when the ball pitches because earlier every body used to clock 150ks ine ngland.Even onions,anderson.

[FischerTal]

Actually This is the era of fast bowlers.Never ever we had so many bowlers with the ability to bowl 140+ and reach 150ks. India-Ishant,Yadav,Aaron Pak-Irfan,Wahab Riaz Australia-Pattinson,Cummins,Starc,Johnson, SA-Steyn,Morkel,De lange WI-Roach,Best ,Holder will get quicker Srilanka-Malinga,Pradeep Decent Pace Eng-Finn,Meaker.

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[adi B]

imran around lee`s pace i.e close to 90 mph on an avg in tests for 8-10 years? seriously :hysterical:

[G_B_]

LOL! Take a look at the number of overs bowled and the number of FC matches those guys played. Holding, from your example, bowled 50,000+ deliveries at FC and List A level. Marshall bowled 95,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. Imran bowled 85,000+ deliveries at the FC and List A level. As a comparison, Lee was done after bowling 40,000+ deliveries. At least check some facts before making a post.

Actually taking my example of Ishant into account, Ishant has bowled 33665 deliveries in a 7 year period. Holding has bowled 70,000 deliveries in a 17 year period. Sort of backs up my point that todays bowlers are playing a lot more cricket than their counterparts in the amature era. Zaheer khan the leading Indian spearhead for the past decade or so has bowled 75,000 deliveries in a career spanning 13 years to date. He has not even played much cricket in the past year or so and have been really prone to injuries in since 2011. You have to accept that leading bowlers who play across the formats have a much higher workload than in the past. Marshall for example during his later years was basically a show pony trying to make money around the county circuit. He bowled so many cause he had to as he did not have enough in the bank. Same can be said about Holding. He simply went through the motions with the counties. Totally different to when he played for the Windies. The average leading pacer has to play about 10 tests a year 25 ODIs and about 15 T20s. It involves a lot of travelling and is just much more hectic than the bygone days.

[Raghav_12]

imran around lee`s pace i.e close to 90 mph on an avg in tests for 8-10 years? seriously :hysterical:

:hysterical:

[The Outsider]

imran around lee`s pace i.e close to 90 mph on an avg in tests for 8-10 years? seriously :hysterical:

7VEut5AtBgs If this is not 90 mph then I am a chinaman.