Mitchell Johnson & George Bailey Ashes Performance Watch-

[rkt.india]

well i will wait for south african series maybe johnson is just a slogger but he has won test matches against big teams with bat on very tricky wickets..

Ashwin did the same at home on tricky wickets. Both his 100s came on difficult tracks and when team was in tatters. He was our third best batsman on last Aus tour and looked more assured than RD, VVS, GG, Sehwag, etc.

[Old guy]

Ashwin did the same at home on tricky wickets. Both his 100s came on difficult tracks and when team was in tatters.

against windies at home not against steyn and co in south africa

[vvvslaxman]

well i will wait for south african series maybe johnson is just a slogger but he has won test matches against big teams with bat on very tricky wickets..

He is never going to look clueless on any tracks as Mitch was. Yusuf pathan also has a 100 there lin SA Doesn't mean he is a great batsman. Johnson was hitting his way through against an attacking field in SA. Ashwin constructs innings like a top order batsman.

[vvvslaxman]

against windies at home not against steyn and co in south africa

If it is that easy why were we in tatters? In both the tests he made 100 he saved us.. Infact couple of years back Ashwin was the one who saved the match for India almost took India to win.

[Old guy]

He is never going to look clueless on any tracks as Mitch was. Yusuf pathan also has a 100 there lin SA Doesn't mean he is a great batsman. Johnson was hitting his way through against an attacking field in SA. Ashwin constructs innings like a top order batsman.

pathan scored 100 in odi big difference http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;orderby=batted_score;template=results;type=batting;view=innings see some of these innings and tell me they are not as good as ashwin's 100 that 40 odd runs in 2012 won them test match http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/514030.html and i am not even talking about series before this where he went bonkers

[rkt.india]

against windies at home not against steyn and co in south africa

I always say you mostly play conditions. Look at today, there is not much in the pitch but poor batting by Aussies. When I switched on the tv at 47/1, it looked like a batting beauty, a flat track and was thinking to bump Australia destroying test cricket by flat tracks thread and suddenly they destroyed themselves.:giggle:

[Old guy]

If it is that easy why were we in tatters? In both the tests he made 100 he saved us.. Infact couple of years back Ashwin was the one who saved the match for India almost took India to win.

so did johnson..he actually won against south africa to me win against number 1 side away from home counts more? and ashwin will play in south africa and we wil see for our selves so lets not hype too much he is very good lower order batsman but his 2 100's came against windies and did he not struggle against australia at home ?

[Old guy]

I always say you mostly play conditions. Look at today' date=' there is not much in the pitch but poor batting by Aussies. When I switched on the tv at 47/1, it looked like a batting beauty, a flat track and was thinking to bump Australia destroying test cricket by flat tracks thread and suddenly they destroyed themselves.:giggle:[/quote'] it was that cummings match same series where australia got bowled for less than 50

[Sean Bradley]

How on earth did Maxwell miss out on selection :omg: ? He looks one hell of a tailunt to me, has the potential to do well in Test matches too.

[vvvslaxman]

pathan scored 100 in odi big difference http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/6033.html?class=1;orderby=batted_score;template=results;type=batting;view=innings see some of these innings and tell me they are not as good as ashwin's 100 that 40 odd runs in 2012 won them test match http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/514030.html and i am not even talking about series before this where he went bonkers

Can you list JOhnosn's knocks in India? Johnsons averages 71 in SA.. So is he better than Tendulkar? You have to look at his performances in other parts. In Srilanka 6.80, In India 11.90, In England 15, In West Indies 18.33, In NZ 2 innings 0 runs, In Australia 26. Sure Ashwin doesn't have much samples. But his average in India is 43.35 , his average in Austarlia 32.60. I am just putting it out for your benefit. With or without averages Ashwin looks much closer to a specialist batsman than Johnson ever going to be.

[vvvslaxman]

so did johnson..he actually won against south africa to me win against number 1 side away from home counts more? and ashwin will play in south africa and we wil see for our selves so lets not hype too much he is very good lower order batsman but his 2 100's came against windies and did he not struggle against australia at home ?

Didn't he do well against Aussies in their own backyard. Third best batsman in that series.

[Old guy]

Can you list JOhnosn's knocks in India? Johnsons averages 71 in SA.. So is he better than Tendulkar? You have to look at his performances in other parts. In Srilanka 6.80' date=' In India 11.90, In England 15, In West Indies 18.33, In NZ 2 innings 0 runs, In Australia 26. Sure Ashwin doesn't have much samples. But his average in India is 43.35 , his average in Austarlia 32.60. I am just putting it out for your benefit. With or without averages Ashwin looks much closer to a specialist batsman than Johnson ever going to be.[/quote'] so he played in just 2 countries and also played less matches average of johnson over all after 20 odd tests was higher too that is hwy i am saying please wait for more series against bigger teams both away and at home .. he has ability no one questions that but with performances until now its not that far fetched to compare him with johnson who is very handy lower order batsman and has played some match winning innings.. lets see how ashwin does in south africa,england etc and then we will know for sure no ?

[Old guy]

Didn't he do well against Aussies in their own backyard. Third best batsman in that series.

third best means nothing when your best was not good enough to get into australian side based on performances :)(statistically ) based on one series in australia is better but you ignore johnson's performance in south africa in 2 different series in 2 different scenarios

[saneindian]

How has an Ashes performance watch thread turned into an Ashwin vs Mitch thread?

[vvvslaxman]

so he played in just 2 countries and also played less matches average of johnson over all after 20 odd tests was higher too that is hwy i am saying please wait for more series against bigger teams both away and at home .. he has ability no one questions that but with performances until now its not that far fetched to compare him with johnson who is very handy lower order batsman and has played some match winning innings.. lets see how ashwin does in south africa,england etc and then we will know for sure no ?

An Australian doing well in SA is no big deal considering conditions are similar. Even Greg Blewett smacked 214 there against Donald and co. He is a hitter. Considering the poor spinning options of SA and smaller grounds his stand and whack style suits on bouncier tracks.

[vvvslaxman]

How has an Ashes performance watch thread turned into an Ashwin vs Mitch thread?

It is about mitch performance in Ashes.. so it is fairly relevant :winky:

[rkt.india]

Johnson is like Bhajji, Broad, and Swann who can have some brilliant batting performances but cannot be relied upon. Ashwin if you give him responsibility, he has the technique of a proper batsmen to trust him.

[Number]

Sabby needs to change avi. 5fer for Broad.

[vvvslaxman]

Johnson is like Bhajji' date=' Broad, and Swann who can have some brilliant batting performances but cannot be relied upon. Ashwin if you give him responsibility, he has the technique of a proper batsmen to trust him.[/quote'] Sabby keeps bringing up some of the few successful slogging innings of Johnson. You are dead on about how he is like Bhajji. Bhajji also saved India with 2 centuries. He also whacked Steyn all over in one of the test in SOuth Africa. They get their moments. Not a proper batsman. Irafn pathan vs Mitch who looks like a proper batsman. Definitely Irfan. Bhajji vs Mitch who looks like a proper batsman? Neither. Both depends on slogging. Even today he slogged Swann for 47 runs out of 64 runs.

[Old guy]

An Australian doing well in SA is no big deal considering conditions are similar. Even Greg Blewett smacked 214 there against Donald and co. He is a hitter. Considering the poor spinning options of SA and smaller grounds his stand and whack style suits on bouncier tracks.

if you saw those matches you will know how good that 40 * was

It is about mitch performance in Ashes.. so it is fairly relevant :winky:

yep..:--D

Johnson is like Bhajji' date=' Broad, and Swann who can have some brilliant batting performances but cannot be relied upon. Ashwin if you give him responsibility, he has the technique of a proper batsmen to trust him.[/quote'] we will see what ashwin does..i love his technique ..when he scores run he is my favourite batsman in indian team cos he looks so classy but he has done it against west idnies but did not do it against australia or england at home (i mean to play like a batsman ) so i will hold the hype for a year or so :)