The Outsider Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Akram is on record around '03 WC saying that there is an optimal speed to achieve swing depending on conditionals could be 130-145, all he could bowl with control. Keyword - control.
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Shaun Tait/Umesh Yadav are good example of all pace but no brains. ! Have you ever looked at Shaun Tait's ODI record. You need to see it.
maniac Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Akram is on record around '03 WC saying that there is an optimal speed to achieve swing depending on conditionals could be 130-145' date=' all he could bowl with control. Keyword - control.[/quote'] But people forget he had a killer short ball where he could crank up the pace,same with Ambrose though I agree at their best they were 135-140.
The Outsider Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Have you looked at the number of time he has been able to bowl in ODIs?
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Akram is on record around '03 WC saying that there is an optimal speed to achieve swing depending on conditionals could be 130-145' date=' all he could bowl with control. Keyword - control.[/quote'] Optimum amount of swing is achieved at 120-125k but that wont bother batsmen because it is too slow and then conditions do not always offer swing even with the new ball and at that time, you need pace. Pure swing bowlers who lack pace are never successful in a long term. The bowlers who succeed with less pace are mostly seam bowlers who used bounce and have possessed immaculate control, but control is one of most difficult things to master at. Even Wasim Akram did not have control like McGrath. It was more because of his grip.
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Have you looked at the number of time he has been able to bowl in ODIs? but how it tells you he was brainless. He played less because if his injuries and that was more to do with his bowling action, not just because he used to bowl quick. With that action, he would have got injured even if he had bowled 135 rather than 150.
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 But people forget he had a killer short ball where he could crank up the pace' date='same with Ambrose though I agree at their best they were 135-140.[/quote'] 135-140 is a good pace if you have skills. People not asking about 150 bowlers here.
SLICKR392 Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Tait was not brainless. He had no control over his insane pace.
Vijy Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 If you bowl around 75-78 mph, you can't really get away with it. Even in the 90s, there were effective bowlers in ODIs (not Tests) such as Ealham and Larsen who did well. But now, such bowlers would probably be smacked to all parts of the ground.
King Tendulkar Posted January 9, 2014 Author Posted January 9, 2014 Akram is on record around '03 WC saying that there is an optimal speed to achieve swing depending on conditionals could be 130-145' date=' all he could bowl with control. Keyword - control.[/quote'] No one is saying to have bowlers with no CONTROL ps aaron shami and yadav all have control
King Tendulkar Posted January 9, 2014 Author Posted January 9, 2014 Despite him being a donkey' date=' I think Sreesanth had good potential. He wasted it, much like how L Sivaramakrishnan wasted his gift many years ago.[/quote'] Thats why I always backed him. As bowlers like him in India are rare. Often bowled mid to high 80s with wonderful seam position etc Wasted by talent by skippers and by himself ps you always used any excuse to attack him now gone you praise him, typical finey:giggle:
Marut Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Ambrose was very tall. Even his 80mph deliveries had enough bounce and lift to trouble every batsman. You can't be a 5'9'' footer trundler and hope to have the same success ( or anywhere remotely close) as Ambrose. Only genuine pacers are able to run through sides regardless of pitch and match conditions. A trundler can rarely do that without assistance from the wicket.
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 I dont understand when did was Ambrose a trundler.
Marut Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Ambrose was a trundler during his last 2 years, but he was still mighty effective due to his height and experience.
peterparker Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 its just about finding good bowlers ' date=' whcih we lack ..fast or not .[/quote'] it is about finding bowlers who can pick wickets.
peterparker Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 If you bowl around 75-78 mph' date=' you can't really get away with it. Even in the 90s, there were effective bowlers in ODIs (not Tests) such as Ealham and Larsen who did well. But now, such bowlers would probably be smacked to all parts of the ground.[/quote'] bowler should know how to pick wickets. then what about anil kumble? he used to bowl leg break, but he was real match winner for indian cricket team. bowlers must bowl to pick up wickets, indian bowlers lack this art, of taking wickets.
peterparker Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Have you ever looked at Shaun Tait's ODI record. You need to see it. He used to demolish great batting line ups of the new zealand, pakistan. I still remember albie morkel smacking him in entire park, in that MCG one day match.
rkt.india Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 He used to demolish great batting line ups of the new zealand, pakistan. I still remember albie morkel smacking him in entire park, in that MCG one day match. Anyone can be thrashed in ODIs or T20s. He was the highest wicket taker in 2007 WC along with McGrath. You need to remind his fiery bowling in ODI series in England where he clocked 100 mph and England batsmen were finding it difficult to touch his deliveries.
carnish Posted January 9, 2014 Posted January 9, 2014 Any one know a guy called Chaminda Vaas? or heath streak??
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