Modi:Dhoni Involved in CSK Coverup.

[Muloghonto]

He said he was not involved in cricketing affairs when g.m himself admitted in past he was involved in cricketing affairs.

the definition of 'cricketing affairs' is a business one. The random security guard may shout out 'advice' to Dhoni on the nets but doesnt make him part of cricketing affairs. If Dhoni was unaware of ownership or stake of Gurunath, then 'not involved in cricketing affairs' is a fair position, since Mayappan is not a player, a support staff or officially part of the management. He is a guy who offers advice and interest ( according to Dhoni). If Dhoni didnt know the exact pathway of Gurunaths holdings relating to CSK, then its a fair position from Dhoni.

[Muloghonto]

Dhoni did not lie in some casual TV interview' date=' but to a committee appointed by the SC to investigate serious charges regarding his team, possibly under oath. Don't know what you would or would not have done, but many would not have committed perjury so flippantly.[/quote'] A divergence between a statement given and facts established post mortem to the statement does not automatically imply perjury. As i said, If Gurunath's actual line of power to CSK is so convoluted, Dhoni would be justified in thinking he is not the owner (ie, take Gurunath on his word). Not everyone investigates who the true owners of a company they work for are, either. Perjury does not mean making inaccurate statements in court, it means making false statements. Falsehood requires deliberate lying. That is why there is a distinction in legal terms between perjury and unreliable witness testimony. One is deliberate, one is not. One carries a penalty, the other does not. Unless someone provided tapes of dhoni and gurunath discussing confidential CSK matters relating to executive decisions being made by gurunath on behalf of csk, this is not a 'case' against dhoni at all.

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the definition of 'cricketing affairs' is a business one. The random security guard may shout out 'advice' to Dhoni on the nets but doesnt make him part of cricketing affairs. If Dhoni was unaware of ownership or stake of Gurunath' date=' then 'not involved in cricketing affairs' is a fair position, since Mayappan is not a player, a support staff or officially part of the management. He is a guy who offers advice and interest ( according to Dhoni). If Dhoni didnt know the exact pathway of Gurunaths holdings relating to CSK, then its a fair position from Dhoni.[/quote'] What rubbish .G.m was team principle and participated in auctions and he has himself admitted in an interview of exchanging team sheets with dhoni and was heavily involved in cricketing affairs.It has been proved he was team principle not some cricket enthusiast .Its blatant lie nothing else .Ownership does not even come in to picture . even if dhoni got away legally it does not change the facts he supported a criminal and he will go to any lengths to support srini.

[The Outsider]

A divergence between a statement given and facts established post mortem to the statement does not automatically imply perjury. As i said, If Gurunath's actual line of power to CSK is so convoluted, Dhoni would be justified in thinking he is not the owner (ie, take Gurunath on his word). Not everyone investigates who the true owners of a company they work for are, either. Perjury does not mean making inaccurate statements in court, it means making false statements. Falsehood requires deliberate lying. That is why there is a distinction in legal terms between perjury and unreliable witness testimony. One is deliberate, one is not. One carries a penalty, the other does not. Unless someone provided tapes of dhoni and gurunath discussing confidential CSK matters relating to executive decisions being made by gurunath on behalf of csk, this is not a 'case' against dhoni at all.

Dhoni is being claimed to have said Gurunath was only a cricket enthusiastic. Dhoni did not say he did not know what Gurunath's role was. He said he knew what Gurunath's role was, which not only turned out to be false, there was no way the captain of a team would think a cricket enthusiast was representing his team at the auctions.

[velu]

outy .. guru was not represting csk in auctions , he was merely sitting with the them merely as a cricket enthusiast :giggle:

[vvvslaxman]

I think they have compromising pictures of Ishant and Dhoni to get him to say what they want.

[scorpio90]

http://www.firstpost.com/sports/ipl-reports-biggest-revelation-a-deliberate-police-cover-up-1383969.html

The story is based on a page allegedly from the Kitty interrogation report prepared by G Sampath Kumar (SP, Railways, Trichi) and mentions India captain MS Dhoni and Suresh Raina. "Kitty [the bookie’s alias] spoke of his knowledge about Vikram Agarwal,Gurunath Meiyappan and cricket players MS Dhoni, Suresh Raina and a few others, and another person in Rajasthan (suspected to be one of Jaipur brothers) in match-fixing," the report says. Dhoni would certainly qualify to be an important Indian player, as would Suresh Raina, at least in limited-overs games and the IPL in particular. The Mudgal Committee’s final report also mentions that six India players have been accused of collaborating with bookies. While the committee does does not name the players, saying at this stage the allegations are only allegations, it recommends all the allegations be investigated. The names have also been submitted to the Supreme Court in a sealed envelope. It now seems the report contained some potentially explosive information, which is perhaps why it was not shared with the Mudgal Committee. Dhoni certainly deserves the presumption of innocence but given how it appears he misled the Mudgal Committee on Meiyappan's role with CSK, it is clear there is something rotten in the state of Indian cricket. That's why it is time Dhoni made a clear and unambiguous statement to the public. It was something he should have done when the scandal first broke, but he chose instead to stay silent. It is now a case of better late than never. The Indian cricket fans who have showered him with their devotion deserve that much.

[Brainfade]

Let's be clear here. The committee itself does not say that Dhoni or any other capped India player was involved in anything shady. It simply quotes the claims of people they interviewed - like Kitty and Vikram Agarwal. The report gives no credence to their statements, it just reports them. With no supporting evidence, we must not jump to conclusions. How do we know that Kitty and Agarwal are not lying?

[fineleg]

sorry for asking some basic qns: 1. Did M$D testify under oath? 2. What was the statement he made under oath?

[CG]

Let's be clear here. The committee itself does not say that Dhoni or any other capped India player was involved in anything shady. It simply quotes the claims of people they interviewed - like Kitty and Vikram Agarwal. The report gives no credence to their statements' date= it just reports them. With no supporting evidence, we must not jump to conclusions. How do we know that Kitty and Agarwal are not lying?

They did not interview the bookies.It was the Police which did and the names cropped up.But the police are going slow and not even sharing the documents with the committee.So they recommend the sc to carry out investigation in to the matter in fair manner.

[cricraja]

Let's be clear here. The committee itself does not say that Dhoni or any other capped India player was involved in anything shady. It simply quotes the claims of people they interviewed - like Kitty and Vikram Agarwal. The report gives no credence to their statements' date=' it just reports them. With no supporting evidence, we must not jump to conclusions. How do we know that Kitty and Agarwal are not lying?[/quote'] :two_thumbs_up:

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Dhoni snubs media as India prepare for series decider against New Zealand

(Reuters) - India cricket officials shut down any questions about a fixing scandal ahead of the series deciding second test against New Zealand with skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni a no show for the traditional captain's pre-match media conference on Thursday. A committee set up by the Supreme Court on Sunday found Gurunath Meiyappan, son-in-law of the country's cricket board chief and an official of the Chennai franchise of the Indian Premier League (IPL), guilty of illegal betting during last season's Twenty20 competition. The scandal surfaced last year when former test bowler Shanthakumaran Sreesanth and two other local cricketers were arrested on suspicion of taking money to concede a fixed number of runs. With India 1-0 down and facing their first series loss to New Zealand since 2002, Dhoni, who plays for the IPL's Chennai team, was expected to attend the news conference by the local and travelling Indian press contingent. He was instead replaced by opening batsman Shikhar Dhawan for the team's only media conference ahead of the match at Wellington's Basin Reserve. A team official also refused to allow any questioning on matters other than the test and when one reporter tried to ask how the team had prepared for the match with reports of the IPL scandal swirling in India, he refused to allow Dhawan to answer and shut down the conference shortly afterwards. New Zealand won the first test in Auckland by 40 runs last Sunday though Dhawan said his side had drawn confidence from their bowlers' third innings performance and better batting in the fourth innings of the match. Pacemen Mohammed Shami, Ishant Sharma and Zaheer Khan ripped through New Zealand's second innings, dismissing the hosts for 105 before India's batsmen, led by Dhawan's second test century, had pushed them to the brink of a remarkable victory. "The last test match, we fought back really nicely and that second innings we batted really nicely," Dhawan said. "There are lots of positives to take from the last test match, so it is helping build our confidence. "We have got very good fast bowlers. Hopefully they can repeat that (performance) and get them out for a low score. "We are confident and looking forward to the match." GREEN WICKET New Zealand enter the match riding high, having won their previous three tests, which started with an innings and 73-run rout of West Indies on a green Basin Reserve wicket last December. "It looks bit greener than what we had against West Indies," New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum said of the current wicket being prepared for the match. "It looks a bit harder as well. Hopefully with a bit of pace and bounce and some sideways (movement) too. "Although what worked for us best against West Indies was the ability to swing it in the air. "Hopefully we will be able to generate that swing and that will be key for us." New Zealand enter the match with two debutants in batsman Tom Latham and all-rounder Jimmy Neesham having started the last three test matches with an unchanged lineup. Latham has replaced Ross Taylor, who has been released due to the impending birth of his second child, while Neesham has replaced leg spinner Ish Sodhi because of the pitch conditions. Neesham is more known for his batting than his bowling but with three front-line pace bowlers in Tim Southee, Trent Boult and Neil Wagner, McCullum has the option of two medium-fast bowlers in Corey Anderson and Neesham and he said he wanted to attack no matter what the match situation. McCullum has already said he would bowl if he won the toss, something he has been unable to do in six successive games against Dhoni, and the New Zealand captain jokingly believes he may call incorrectly again on Friday. "Yeah it is likely to go against me," a laughing McCullum said. "We would obviously look at bowling if we win the toss. "We will play to our strengths and with a bit of luck we can generate some pace and bounce on this wicket." Despite McCullum's bad luck at the toss, New Zealand have managed to recover from horrendous starts in their first batting innings, battling back to post scores of 441, 349 and 503 in their last three matches. "We have found ourselves in some precarious situations quite a bit this summer batting first and we have managed to come through it," McCullum said. "With Neesham at eight we have quite a bit of batting."

[Muloghonto]

What rubbish .G.m was team principle and participated in auctions and he has himself admitted in an interview of exchanging team sheets with dhoni and was heavily involved in cricketing affairs.

None of the self-admitted statements of Gurunath or Dhoni imply that Gurunath was the team principal or even a member of the power group. Yes, Gurunath was present at auctions but so are many other people.

It has been proved he was team principle not some cricket enthusiast .Its blatant lie nothing else .Ownership does not even come in to picture . even if dhoni got away legally it does not change the facts he supported a criminal and he will go to any lengths to support srini.

Supporting a criminal is the luck of the draw. Every criminal gets support before they are proven to be criminals. otherwise if you wish to imply that one must stop being helpful to one's friends, family, business or social partners the moment an official investigation is underway, then one is simply a self-serving coward using people to further one's self to the authorities and not to mention, almost everyone is helpful of people they are in close interactions with even when some 'tu-tu-main-main' allegations come around. Supporting a criminal is only wrong when it is clear to oneself that he/she is supporting a criminal. I have simply not seen such evidence that suggests that Dhoni knew of Gurunath's position in the team. To make a credible case that Dhoni was aware of Gurunath's position and therefore, abetted him in a criminal accomplice sense, you need to prove pretty conclusively that Dhoni was aware. Implications do not even begin to enter the picture without any compelling evidence. otherwise, it should be a simple situation of 'i helped x, x turned out to be criminal and liar. What am i to do ?'

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None of the self-admitted statements of Gurunath or Dhoni imply that Gurunath was the team principal or even a member of the power group. Yes' date= Gurunath was present at auctions but so are many other people. Supporting a criminal is the luck of the draw. Every criminal gets support before they are proven to be criminals. otherwise if you wish to imply that one must stop being helpful to one's friends, family, business or social partners the moment an official investigation is underway, then one is simply a self-serving coward using people to further one's self to the authorities and not to mention, almost everyone is helpful of people they are in close interactions with even when some 'tu-tu-main-main' allegations come around. Supporting a criminal is only wrong when it is clear to oneself that he/she is supporting a criminal. I have simply not seen such evidence that suggests that Dhoni knew of Gurunath's position in the team. To make a credible case that Dhoni was aware of Gurunath's position and therefore, abetted him in a criminal accomplice sense, you need to prove pretty conclusively that Dhoni was aware. Implications do not even begin to enter the picture without any compelling evidence. otherwise, it should be a simple situation of 'i helped x, x turned out to be criminal and liar. What am i to do ?'

G.M Was designated Team principle and owner and had I.d card of owner and was involved in cricketing affairs as the committee concluded and he himself had spoken off in past interviews.Dhoni was asked about his role and he toed srini line that he was cricket enthusiast and was not involved in cricketing affairs ,He would have easily said i do not know his role , but he did not. We do want dhoni to go to jail for this.What is worrying is this will continue to happen now.Srini has leash on dhoni.there will be give and take.

[Muloghonto]

Dhoni is being claimed to have said Gurunath was only a cricket enthusiastic. Dhoni did not say he did not know what Gurunath's role was. He said he knew what Gurunath's role was' date=' which not only turned out to be false, there was no way the captain of a team would think a cricket enthusiast was representing his team at the auctions.[/quote'] If Dhoni was unaware of any ownership or management role played by gurunath, he is quite within his rights to classify Gurunath as a cricket enthusiast, since Gurunath is not a player or a coach. So a guy shows up and tells a bazillion ideas about how to make the team better. Happens in all sports, there are nutcase obsessed fans who know more about cricket than entire ICF put together. Some of them can be rich. So this guy hangs out in every important situation. But he says he is not the owner, does not make executive decisions for the team directly, is not a player, is not a coach. What would your conclusion be ? That he is most likely a cricket junkie who impressed the heck out of the owner so owner thinks this guy should be 'around' to lend a 'voice'. This is no 'reaching for the moon' scenario, this happens quite often in sports. Not like every team has one of these kinda men, but virtually every league has atleast one team with a rich nutcase fan like this. For the good or better. Ultimately, this thread has demonstrated one salient fact: that people ( you for example) are quick to bash Dhoni in this case because most of them are used to bashing dhoni on a regular basis in the first place. A simple case of 'if i hate the guy x for sporting reasons, i will extend it to hating the guy for every reason possible'. Such fruitcake behaviour is pretty common in sports fanhood as well.

[Muloghonto]

G.M Was designated Team principle and owner and had I.d card of owner and was involved in cricketing affairs as the committee concluded and he himself had spoken off in past interviews.Dhoni was asked about his role and he toed srini line that he was cricket enthusiast and was not involved in cricketing affairs ,He would have easily said i do not know his role , but he did not. We do want dhoni to go to jail for this.What is worrying is this will continue to happen now.Srini has leash on dhoni.

You are confusing evidence of Gurunath's role as found by the committee and what Gurunath himself advertised or claimed. Those are two different things. Again, if Gurunath claimed to be not team principle and went around it in such a round-about way that it took a freaking judicial committee months to come to the conclusion, how the feck can we not give Dhoni the benefit of the doubt for thinking the same ? Ofcourse he toed the Srini line. Srini is his boss. He wasn't sure, he has credible reasons to be not sure, so he asked the boss what to say. This is not perjury, this is a simple case of ignorance of the facts. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in a crime but ignorance of the crime is a bloody good defence against complicity !!

[CSK Fan]

If Dhoni was unaware of any ownership or management role played by gurunath, he is quite within his rights to classify Gurunath as a cricket enthusiast, since Gurunath is not a player or a coach. So a guy shows up and tells a bazillion ideas about how to make the team better. Happens in all sports, there are nutcase obsessed fans who know more about cricket than entire ICF put together. Some of them can be rich. So this guy hangs out in every important situation. But he says he is not the owner, does not make executive decisions for the team directly, is not a player, is not a coach. What would your conclusion be ? That he is most likely a cricket junkie who impressed the heck out of the owner so owner thinks this guy should be 'around' to lend a 'voice'. This is no 'reaching for the moon' scenario, this happens quite often in sports. Not like every team has one of these kinda men, but virtually every league has atleast one team with a rich nutcase fan like this. For the good or better. Ultimately, this thread has demonstrated one salient fact: that people ( you for example) are quick to bash Dhoni in this case because most of them are used to bashing dhoni on a regular basis in the first place. A simple case of 'if i hate the guy x for sporting reasons, i will extend it to hating the guy for every reason possible'. Such fruitcake behaviour is pretty common in sports fanhood as well.

Do you really believe all that? IPL has very strict rules about who can sit with the team, who can participate in the auctions. You need to have a special id card and no cricket enthusiast will get that unless his position is mentioned to the IPL council None of what you claimed about sports fans apply here, because both the IPL rules of who can move with the team etc (particularly since fixing was always a huge concern) and who can carry those ID cards and sit in the auction are crystal clear with no ambiguity. and all the players are aware of this rule too.

[CSK Fan]

Again, if Gurunath claimed to be not team principle and went around it in such a round-about way that it took a freaking judicial committee months to come to the conclusion, how the feck can we not give Dhoni the benefit of the doubt for thinking the same ? !

It took the commitee months because they were trying to look at betting and fixing charges more than just proving what Gurunath's status was And you claim that Dhoni did not know Gurunath's role yet shared team strategies, picks and selections with him, then he is the biggest moron in the world. Who shares selection secrets, discusses who to pick etc with a glorified fan?

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You are confusing evidence of Gurunath's role as found by the committee and what Gurunath himself advertised or claimed. Those are two different things. Again, if Gurunath claimed to be not team principle and went around it in such a round-about way that it took a freaking judicial committee months to come to the conclusion, how the feck can we not give Dhoni the benefit of the doubt for thinking the same ? Ofcourse he toed the Srini line. Srini is his boss. He wasn't sure, he has credible reasons to be not sure, so he asked the boss what to say. This is not perjury, this is a simple case of ignorance of the facts. Ignorance of the law is no excuse in a crime but ignorance of the crime is a bloody good defence against complicity !!

Dhoni is not an idiot or mentally retarded to not know the role of gurunath who was accredited as owner and Team Principle,Director by CSK.G.M has sat through numerous press conference with dhoni and held the same tag of owner,team principle .U can ignore facts and go round and round in arguments .

[Muloghonto]

Do you really believe all that? IPL has very strict rules about who can sit with the team, who can participate in the auctions. You need to have a special id card and no cricket enthusiast will get that unless his position is mentioned to the IPL council None of what you claimed about sports fans apply here, because both the IPL rules of who can move with the team etc (particularly since fixing was always a huge concern) and who can carry those ID cards and sit in the auction are crystal clear with no ambiguity. and all the players are aware of this rule too.

Participate in auctions ? Did Gurunath submit any bids directly on his own authority ? There is a difference between presence and participation. If his position was mentioned to the IPL council, then it would be an open & shut case, wouldn't it. Reality is, anyone who has been authorized by the management to be present, can be present.