Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 You need a variety in your attack. Aaron to provide pace and he can move the ball too. You need someone who can push the batsmen on backfoot and then swing bowlers will be even more effective. i would have immediately said ye if match was in australia but in england you need to move the ball unless you already have 3 swing bowlers you cannot take one bowler just to push them back also aaron can have bad days he is not consistent enough to be part of 3 man attack imo ideally we needed umesh to come back in form and do both jobs :(( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 He needs to beef up a bit too' date=' IMO.[/quote'] he is already bowling quicker which show he is getting stronger and looking beefed up is different he looks younger than his age too so in 2-3 years he will look more bulked up imo and beetle will stop stalking him :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 i would have immediately said ye if match was in australia but in england you need to move the ball unless you already have 3 swing bowlers you cannot take one bowler just to push them back also aaron can have bad days he is not consistent enough to be part of 3 man attack imo ideally we needed umesh to come back in form and do both jobs :(( Aaron has been far more consistent than Umesh. Its a chance you will have to take. We missed a bowler with real pace both in SA and NZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Aaron has been far more consistent than Umesh. Its a chance you will have to take. We missed a bowler with real pace both in SA and NZ. we did not miss pace we missed half the attack tbh with ishant and zack being totally crap half the time and trolling us with some flukes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 we did not miss pace we missed half the attack tbh with ishant and zack being totally crap half the time and trolling us with some flukes You are forgetting why they were ineffdctive because conditions got flat. They did well to when conditions were helping them and why they were ineffective because they bowled 125-130. Our problem was when ball didnt swing or seam, not when there was help. We lacked bowler who could ball quick bouncers aur surprise the batsmen with pace and induce an error. We either needed Umesh or Aaron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBee Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 aaron in tests ? nah we can do better with another bowler who can move the ball :WTF: KT will murder you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 You are forgetting why they were ineffdctive because conditions got flat. They did well to when conditions were helping them and why they were ineffective because they bowled 125-130. Our problem was when ball didnt swing or seam' date=' not when there was help. We lacked bowler who could ball quick bouncers aur surprise the batsmen with pace and induce an error. We either needed Umesh or Aaron.[/quote'] i did not saw them go flat even when ball was moving they were just not fit and consistent enough to pick 20 wickets and thats the truth some one like ishwar pandey will be far better for tests in england even if he is slower becausei n tests jsut pace is easy to play aaron has to learn to control movement of ball much better if he wants to be successful in tests he is no johnson his bouncers are good but nothing out of world and even pace is playable if you are willing to defend for few overs.. what we need badly is umesh yadav to start moving the ball with that pace again with control he wil be handy with even older ball and we need 4 pacers or 3 very fit pacers who can bowl in test without looking like they will be admitted in hospital ..if some one saw zaheer felding in new zealand and way he was running after spell you will know what i am saying :cantstop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBee Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 i saw them go flat even when ball was moving they were just not fit and consistent enough to pick 20 wickets and thats the truth +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Based on bowler types and current form, I would pick Shami, Aaron and BK / Pandey for tests in England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBee Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Based on bowler types and current form' date=' I would pick Shami, Aaron and BK / Pandey for tests in England.[/quote'] My Playing IV will be Shami Aaron BK Bumrah/Mohit/Rishi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Very frustrated with Umesh yadav...he can swing it at 145 why is this guy not consistent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 What happened to Umesh Yadav...he was so furious in 2012 - 2013 ...in 2012 he easily the fastest in IPL had the most deliveries in top 100 and also had almost as many 150+ as Shaun Tait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCcricket Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Bowlers need confidence u just have to see M Johnson before last IPL and since, Gambhir is worse then Dhoni in terms of giving pacers confidence and see Aaron getting better after faith being shown by his captain Virat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 we found our third seamer for england i am now 100 percent backing him just check this over out 1.6 Pandey to Vijay, no run, now he brings one back in and traps him on the pads, playing across the line and shuffling, missing leg, that's a fine over, a maiden 1.5 Pandey to Vijay, no run, finally Vijay gets some bat on ball, behind the line and pushed to mid-off 1.4 Pandey to Vijay, no run, three out of three! Different kind of hat trick this... Pandey teases him outside off again, away movement and beaten 1.3 Pandey to Vijay, no run, Pandey probes just outside the off stump, Vijay is uncertain with his movement and pokes his bat out again 1.2 Pandey to Vijay, no run, this one moves away, genuine outswing from Pandey and he has Vijay chasing it and he is beaten 1.1 Pandey to Vijay, no run, gets forward and across and pushes it to the off side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 What happened to Umesh Yadav...he was so furious in 2012 - 2013 ...in 2012 he easily the fastest in IPL had the most deliveries in top 100 and also had almost as many 150+ as Shaun Tait. He is confused, lacking in confidence after they keep dropping him. He doesnt know what to do whether to concentrate on line and length or pace, but is doing neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 we found our third seamer for england i am now 100 percent backing him just check this over out 1.6 Pandey to Vijay, no run, now he brings one back in and traps him on the pads, playing across the line and shuffling, missing leg, that's a fine over, a maiden 1.5 Pandey to Vijay, no run, finally Vijay gets some bat on ball, behind the line and pushed to mid-off 1.4 Pandey to Vijay, no run, three out of three! Different kind of hat trick this... Pandey teases him outside off again, away movement and beaten 1.3 Pandey to Vijay, no run, Pandey probes just outside the off stump, Vijay is uncertain with his movement and pokes his bat out again 1.2 Pandey to Vijay, no run, this one moves away, genuine outswing from Pandey and he has Vijay chasing it and he is beaten 1.1 Pandey to Vijay, no run, gets forward and across and pushes it to the off side That was a superb over from Pandey. Superb line, shape, and bounce. It was like a Test match over :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 That was a superb over from Pandey. Superb line' date=' shape, and bounce. It was like a Test match over :hatsoff:[/quote'] he is test bowler first and today you all saw the reason whole over was a trap for last ball :winky: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 i did not saw them go flat even when ball was moving they were just not fit and consistent enough to pick 20 wickets and thats the truth some one like ishwar pandey will be far better for tests in england even if he is slower becausei n tests jsut pace is easy to play aaron has to learn to control movement of ball much better if he wants to be successful in tests he is no johnson his bouncers are good but nothing out of world and even pace is playable if you are willing to defend for few overs.. what we need badly is umesh yadav to start moving the ball with that pace again with control he wil be handy with even older ball and we need 4 pacers or 3 very fit pacers who can bowl in test without looking like they will be admitted in hospital ..if some one saw zaheer felding in new zealand and way he was running after spell you will know what i am saying :cantstop: Ball doesnt always swing in England and there is not much seam movement there if conditions are not helpful. You cannot have a one dimensional attack. We need at least one 90 mph pacer whether its Umesh if he is bowlin well or Aaron who has been bowling well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 he is test bowler first and today you all saw the reason whole over was a trap for last ball :winky: what about 2nd over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBN Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 he is test bowler first and today you all saw the reason whole over was a trap for last ball :winky: Seen him a couple of times doing the same in Ranji as well :hatsoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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