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jalebi_bhai Rising Star

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In addition' date=' Rajnath Singh promised that BJP would return black money within 100 days in power.[/quote'] Here's the supposed video....... UZ8FfN0E4lQ When does Rajnath say this? Are there any articles that have him quoted?.......
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A similar clarification was given by Manish Tewari (Congress spokesperson) in 2011 when BJP asked to reveal information of tax payer accounts. Yet' date= BJP kept on asking to reveal the names of black money account holders and turned it into a political issue. They were well aware it was not possible. The DTAA protocol with Switzerland was signed by the UPA government in August 2010. The current black money case is initiated by our judiciary and not the NDA or UPA.
First of all.......it is possible to reveal the necessary details.....maybe not all.....but the salient ones ......it is not easy because of dual criminality.......for example......the Govt. won't be able to put someone with a SB account in jail for tax evasion because tax evasion is a misdemeanor in Switzerland....... If the govt. is to reveal their bank details......the gov. will have to provide legal documents to prove that the money itself was acquired in a manner that is illegal both in India and Switzerland.......now.......considering how the UPA got rid of the Coal-gate files........you can see how this could be a problem........yes?........not to say that the people accused may exercise their legal options (if they have the means)........all this is time consuming....... Secondly, not every Indian SBA holder is a criminal.........there are different types of SBs......providing different services to different people depending on their net assets.......
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“The NDA’s approach on Black Money is doggedly persistent - Not Adventurist†I am a little surprised by some of the headlines in today’s newspapers which state that the NDA Government has done a U turn on the issue of black money stacked up in Swiss bank accounts. Nothing can be farther from the truth. Let me begin by saying that the NDA Government WILL NOT withhold any information, including names of account holders who have stashed black money abroad, from the public; but the names will be revealed after following the due process of completing investigations and reaching conclusions about quantum of unaccounted money. After doing so, all the information including the names of account holders will become public when quoted in court proceedings arising from complaints to be filed by the Income Tax Department against tax offenders. Any premature and out of court disclosure of the names of account holders would not only vitiate the investigations but will enable such account holders to get away with their offences. It will also violate India’s Double Taxation Avoidance Agreements (DTAA) with other countries and will choke receipt of all further information from those countries. The NDA Government took over in the last week of May, 2014. For 3 years, the UPA Government has been refusing to appoint the SIT directed by the Supreme Court. At the first very Cabinet Meeting, Shri Narendra Modi Cabinet decided to appoint the SIT. The SIT has been effectively functioning since then. On October 15, 2014, a team of officials led by Revenue Secretary and comprising of Chairman, CBDT has signed a Joint Statement with the appropriate authorities in Switzerland with regard to investigation into black money stacked in Swiss banks. The four important aspects of that agreement are: (i) With regard to the list available with India of account holders in the HSBC, where Indian tax authorities have conducted independent investigations, the Swiss would provide India with details upon our furnishing of adequate evidence in this regard. (ii) Whenever India has some information/ documentary evidence, the Swiss would confirm the authenticity or otherwise of that evidence. (iii) This would be done in a time bound manner. (iv) Discussion would now start on a bilateral agreement on automatic exchange of information in the banking system. If this bilateral arrangement is arrived at, it will be an important milestone in detection of black money held by Indians in the Swiss banks. Independent of the above, the Supreme Court of India in the “Black Money Case†had directed the Government of India to furnish the names to the petitioner which have been given by Germany to India. These names were given to the petitioner who made them public. The Germans strongly objected to this as a violation of the Double Tax Avoidance Agreement (DTAA) which was entered between Government of India and Germany on 19th June, 1995. The present NDA Government has unfortunately inherited the legacy of that DTAA. We may have negotiated a better deal. If we scrap the treaty, we get no further information. The covenant to the treaty is that the names of the account holders and information received thereunder will only be disclosed when charges are filed in court. They obviously cannot be utilized for political propaganda or for political mileage. The choice before the NDA Government is clear; violate the Treaty and get no names in future or abide by the Treaty, collect evidence, file charges in courts and let the names become public so that the account holders can be named and shamed. One act of adventurism of violating the treaty and discussing the name could perhaps jeopardise future cooperation from the reciprocating state. All that the Government has requested the Supreme Court is to clarify that it has not prohibited the Government of India to enter into Treaties with countries wherein a commitment may be made by the Government to maintain confidentiality of information received as per international standards. If such a commitment to maintain the confidentiality is not given we will not receive any information about Indians hiding their money in other countries including offshore financial centres and tax heavens. Thus the clarification sought from the Supreme Court is only to facilitate collection of information about illegal money stashed abroad. Nobody has ever suggested that the names should not be made public. They should be made public in accordance with the existing due process of law. If that process is violated, you will never get to know the names in future. The NDA Government stands committed to detect the names, prosecuting the guilty and making them public. We are not going to be pushed into an act of adventurism where we violate the treaties and then plead that we are no longer able to get the cooperation of reciprocating states. Such an approach may actually help the account holders. Adventurism will be short-sighted. A mature approach will take us to the root of the matter.
Source: Arun Jaitley's Facebook page
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Didn't Tewari say it is sort of impossible to know anything about foreign money stashed abroad? Jaitley on the other hand said NDA govt will get the info on black money, just that they can't make it public.. Atleast that's what I understand. Feel free to correct me.
No, BJP asked to name the account holders - Tewari said there are legal implications. Similar stand to that of Jaitley.
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First of all.......it is possible to reveal the necessary details.....maybe not all.....but the salient ones ......it is not easy because of dual criminality.......for example......the Govt. won't be able to put someone with a SB account in jail for tax evasion because tax evasion is a misdemeanor in Switzerland....... If the govt. is to reveal their bank details......the gov. will have to provide legal documents to prove that the money itself was acquired in a manner that is illegal both in India and Switzerland.......now.......considering how the UPA got rid of the Coal-gate files........you can see how this could be a problem........yes?........not to say that the people accused may exercise their legal options (if they have the means)........all this is time consuming....... Secondly, not every Indian SBA holder is a criminal.........there are different types of SBs......providing different services to different people depending on their net assets.......
Lets not make it complicated and keep it simple. I understand all the legal complications but my point was that BJP asked for the very same thing which the legal issues do not allow for. That did not prevent the BJP from indulging in "reveal account holders name" rhetoric. All these legal viewpoints, existed when BJP requested the names too. In addition. UPA government did reveal some bank account details but BJP wanted all of them to be revealed.
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He said this around April 2014 during an election campaign. There is only one news article which has quoted him directly. http://news.webindia123.com/news/Articles/India/20140418/2377695.html
So only one source with direct quotes........:hmmm:.......I've looked around myself.......haven't found a video of the rally mentioned in the article........
Lets not make it complicated and keep it simple. I understand all the legal complications but my point was that BJP asked for the very same thing which the legal issues do not allow for.
Do you really?.....I mean.....I'm not insulting your intelligence but you said this in post #1300
Yet, BJP kept on asking to reveal the names of black money account holders and turned it into a political issue. They were well aware it was not possible.
This is factually wrong.......it is possible to do so......Arun Jaitley has explained how it can be done.......refer to Texan's post........the govt. is asking for more time as the process is arduous ........
That did not prevent the BJP from indulging in "reveal account holders name" rhetoric. All these legal viewpoints, existed when BJP requested the names too. In addition. UPA government did reveal some bank account details but BJP wanted all of them to be revealed.
The Modi-led cabinet gave the Supreme Court the green-light to investigate on the black money issue in their very first cabinet meeting...........following which, the SC set up a SIT........ Now tell me........when did MMS' cabinets give the SC the green-light to do the same? UPA 1? UPA 2?...........? Also.......would you be kind enough to direct me to the sources for your claim that the UPA did reveal the Swiss bank details of a few corrupt individuals?
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My conspiracy theory regarding why Vadra won't be touched (at least for a while if at all) by the BJP govt. He is a prime witness to a lot of the dirty dealings of the Dynasty. How awesome would it be to get him to spill the beans? His marriage to Priyanka seems like a sham to me. If you really think about it, every mafia operation has a patsy/fall guy (or several). Vadra seems like someone that has been propped up to assume that role. If Shah can get him to see the light... What follows? A real live Indian version of Godfather(Godmother? Rajmata?), where Carlor Rizzi succeeds in his revenge plot of bringing down the corleones. :haha:

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So only one source with direct quotes........:hmmm:.......I've looked around myself.......haven't found a video of the rally mentioned in the article........
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Do you really?.....I mean.....I'm not insulting your intelligence but you said this in post #1300 This is factually wrong.......it is possible to do so......Arun Jaitley has explained how it can be done.......refer to Texan's post........the govt. is asking for more time as the process is arduous ........
Please understand my point. BJP kept on asking revealing names of ALL account holders. BJP knew it was NOT possible "to release names of ALL account holders" (TRNoAAH) due to legal complications. These very same legal issues with Rishi Jaitley mentions in his blogpost TRNoAAH were valid when BJP made the demands TRNoAAH. You may check out Pranab Mukherjee's (or Finance Ministry) response to LK Advani in the Lok Sabha. It is EXACTLY the same statement with different words.
The Modi-led cabinet gave the Supreme Court the green-light to investigate on the black money issue in their very first cabinet meeting...........following which, the SC set up a SIT........ Now tell me........when did MMS' cabinets give the SC the green-light to do the same? UPA 1? UPA 2?...........?
You've got this backwards son. The Supreme Court gave a deadline to the central government not the other way round. The deadline was one week and hence it was done in the very first week.
Also.......would you be kind enough to direct me to the sources for your claim that the UPA did reveal the Swiss bank details of a few corrupt individuals?
Switzerland is not the ONLY place where black money is stashed. The issue here is black money. Here are a couple of examples where account holder details are public. http://www.thehindu.com/business/Economy/blackmoney-first-ed-notice-against-lgt-account-holders/article4676766.ece?ref=relatedNews http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/centre-discloses-names-of-18-liechtenstein-bank-account-holders/article5959864.ece?ref=relatedNews
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Narendra Modi government takes RTI to another level: All replies to be put online http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/narendra-modi-government-takes-rti-to-another-level-all-replies-to-be-put-online/articleshow/44898219.cms Fantastic decision by the PMO.
Wow really good decision. Modernization is needed. It will cut down lot of redtapisim. I remember people had to pay a bribe for getting license in my locality even if you had all docuemnts just for the RTO folks to look at the application but after they computerized most of the stuff. No one had to pay any money.
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Pinky Anand (BJP spokesperson and ASG) agrees on national TV that Jaitley's response on black money is same as that of Pranab Mukherjee/Congress. Watch around 0:50 72HcF193WeE#t=55s
Jaitley clearly came out manipulating whole thing and in fact response is worse than UPA. He is saying they would have list but his party would selectively file cases against some of them and in process those names would be made public. What about unadulterated information they had promised to junta?
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