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Detonator Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Indian media are obsessed with west, more than ourselves. Sadly most indians follow media. Our media morons ask every international celebrity like, "do u like to act in bollywood", they will say "yes" for namesake and it will becomes a news like "Hugh Jackman want to sing and dance in a hindi movie" When someone says otherwise, they lay a smackdown.
AmreekanDesi Posted July 3, 2014 Author Posted July 3, 2014 Indian media are obsessed with west, more than ourselves. Sadly most indians follow media. Our media morons ask every international celebrity like, "do u like to act in bollywood", they will say "yes" for namesake and it will becomes a news like "Hugh Jackman want to sing and dance in a hindi movie" When someone says otherwise, they lay a smackdown. haha yea. I think it was Kaka or Ronaldinho... not 100% sue but some indian reporter asked him, 'do you see yourself playing in India in the future?' He said, 'Yes why not. You never know the future.' Now we all know either of them is never playing professionally in India. But imagine ifthe question was put to some thuggish player like Joey Barton or Pepe etc., the answer the reporter would get would definitely not be politically correct and there would be a hue and cry in the media about it.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Indian media are obsessed with west, more than ourselves. Sadly most indians follow media. Our media morons ask every international celebrity like, "do u like to act in bollywood", they will say "yes" for namesake and it will becomes a news like "Hugh Jackman want to sing and dance in a hindi movie" When someone says otherwise, they lay a smackdown. Yeah. Approval from the West matters way too much for many Indians, even those who have accomplished a lot.
Crookbond Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 This. I didnt realize the extent of this, but Indian culture has a broken sacrcasm detector/interaction. We dont do sarcasm like other people do- we never ever do the whole 'stone-faced expressionless drop a bomb, wait a minute and say just kidding giggle giggle' routine very well. The rest of the world does- minus the super-touchy arabs and eastern europeans ofcourse. They too have a broken sarcasm detector I think this is the right time and you are the best person to ask you this question. Do you think that the language in itself has little or no room to use sarcasm? In English, sarcasm is both the content and tone. In the Indian languages which I know of (3), I see that sarcasm is mainly induced by the tone. Since the Internet doesn't have a "tone" or it is easy to misinterpret the tone, may be this amplifies the issue. I might be wrong though!
Detonator Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 ^ It's called Poe's Law, in reverse technically. Correlates with the Internet rule "Anything you say can and will turned into something else, can and will be used against you." Even the satire works of The Onion was mistaken for true news and triggered twitter battles. Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing. It is an observation that it's difficult, if not impossible, to distinguish between parodies of fundamentalism or other extreme views and their genuine proponents, since they both seem equally insane.
Crookbond Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I know what Poe's law is but my question is unrelated. I believe that most Indian languages have little scope for sarcasm in terms of their content. Most of them do have space for rhetoric but sarcasm, probably not.
Detonator Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 ^ No dood, I have read many old, pre-independent, modern literature works in Tamil, that has really awesome sarcastic content. One of the monthly journal has entire satire sections that dates back to mocking british. There are masters of satire-based comedy actors like NSK, MRRadha, who mocked the establishment and superstition 5 decades ago. Hell, Karunanithi became famous based on his punny and sarcastic quotes. I am sure other languages will have some great pieces of literary works. It's not the languages, may be the half baked robotic education system made most of the Indians as sarcasm blind.
hhunaeh Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I agree with detonator on this, but it may be the case that Indians have a problem detecting sarcasm in written english because either they don't know the language well enough or are unfamiliar the subject which sets the scene for good use of sarcasm. But even this problem will be solved soon, just wait for data rates to fall and smart phones to get cheaper.
CSK Fan Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I agree with detonator on this' date=' but it may be the case that Indians have a problem detecting sarcasm in written english because either they don't know the language well enough or are unfamiliar the subject which sets the scene for good use of sarcasm. But even this problem will be solved soon, just wait for data rates to fall and smart phones to get cheaper.[/quote'] Yep, pretty much. Most of the posts are in broken english, very unlikely to know enough english to not take things literally
Crookbond Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I don't know about the Dravidian languages. Lets take the example of Hindi - Does old literature have sarcasm/satire in Hindi? hhuaneh, I am taking a step back. May be, the lack of understanding stems from the fact that their own language doesn't use it as much as English does.
urbestfriend Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Hot n humid weather congested cities traffic cut throat competition pollution different language (English) different worldview etc However most of them are youngsters who get mature with time. There's nothing wrong with culture... Indians take jokes sarcasm etc quite well. And are gentle people. Indians are generally gentle people face to face but becomes warriors in internet, this is always surprised me. May be this has something to do with frustrations of daily life in urban India and easy venting on internet?
hhunaeh Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I don't know about the Dravidian languages. Lets take the example of Hindi - Does old literature have sarcasm/satire in Hindi? hhuaneh, I am taking a step back. May be, the lack of understanding stems from the fact that their own language doesn't use it as much as English does. From the conversations i have had with friends in kannada, who are not that good in english, i can say they use sarcasm pretty well and often enough but when they switch over to english, their use of sarcasm is minimal and this i think contributes to the lack of understanding.
Sachin=GOD Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I don't know about the Dravidian languages. Lets take the example of Hindi - Does old literature have sarcasm/satire in Hindi? hhuaneh, I am taking a step back. May be, the lack of understanding stems from the fact that their own language doesn't use it as much as English does. Yes. Writers like Harishankar Parsai, Sharad Joshi, Srilal Shukla, Dinanath Mishra etc ate noted for satire. These are the ones I have read - I guess there are many others.
Crookbond Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 From the conversations i have had with friends in kannada' date=' who are not that good in english, i can say they use sarcasm pretty well and often enough but when they switch over to english, their use of sarcasm is minimal and this i think contributes to the lack of understanding.[/quote'] I think Kannada is another language which doesn't follow the Devnagiri script. Right? I hope we are not confusing sarcasm with satire.
Crookbond Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Yes. Writers like Harishankar Parsai' date=' Sharad Joshi, Srilal Shukla, Dinanath Mishra etc ate noted for satire. These are the ones I have read - I guess there are many others.[/quote'] Satire != Sarcasm
Sachin=GOD Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 Satire != Sarcasm You asked for those who were known for their sarcasm/satire.
velu Posted July 3, 2014 Posted July 3, 2014 I know what Poe's law is but my question is unrelated. I believe that most Indian languages have little scope for sarcasm in terms of their content. Most of them do have space for rhetoric but sarcasm' date=' probably not.[/quote'] now i know that you are not from goa and you know bit of tamil :sherlock: whether "Vanja Pugalchi ani" in tamil is sarcasm ??
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