Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[CG]

yes, it is because of fitness. He himself asked Delhi selectors to not consider him for Ranji trophy. He only wanted to concentrate on LOIs. Even in list- A, he does not play all the matches. It is me who is saying this what more solid proof you want.

Regarding the bold part, Malinga and Shaun Tait are examples who only plays LOIs and dont play any FC or test cricket any more due to fitness issues. Bowling 4 overs cant be compared to rigors of test cricket.

Yes Nehra himself said so.T20 is boon for him .Regarding Test cricket he never was a test class bowler He just does not have the required fitness and Temperament.

Edited March 2, 2016 by CG

[express bowling]

Aquib Javed, former Pakistani seamer and current UAE coach, talking about Indian and other fast bowlers

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/2016-asia-cup/top-stories/Bumrah-will-find-difficult-to-sustain-with-this-action-Aaqib/articleshow/51226253.cms

Some Excerpts...

 

The 43-year-old Aaqib is also surprised that the likes of Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Shami and Varun Aaron are out because of either inconsistency or injuries.

"India for the first time in their history produced four genuine fast bowlers in Umesh, Aaron, Ishant and Shami. Now where are they? Injury management has always been an issue with bowlers from these parts. Breakdown happens due to lifestyle, wrong training.

"But when I hear that Umesh is inconsistent, I get baffled. I mean if someone has genuine ability to bowl quick, how much time it takes to correct the line and length? At the most 3-6 months. Not a day more than that if you are sincere and attentive. If anyone tells me that Umesh, if told to land on a particular spot can't do after being told repeatedly, then I think there is some problem with either his intent or his coach's ability to make him understand," Aaqib said in a frank assessment.

 

[tweaker]

Aquib Javed, former Pakistani seamer and current UAE coach, talking about Indian and other fast bowlers

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/2016-asia-cup/top-stories/Bumrah-will-find-difficult-to-sustain-with-this-action-Aaqib/articleshow/51226253.cms

Some Excerpts...

 

The 43-year-old Aaqib is also surprised that the likes of Umesh Yadav, Mohammed Shami and Varun Aaron are out because of either inconsistency or injuries.

"India for the first time in their history produced four genuine fast bowlers in Umesh, Aaron, Ishant and Shami. Now where are they? Injury management has always been an issue with bowlers from these parts. Breakdown happens due to lifestyle, wrong training.

"But when I hear that Umesh is inconsistent, I get baffled. I mean if someone has genuine ability to bowl quick, how much time it takes to correct the line and length? At the most 3-6 months. Not a day more than that if you are sincere and attentive. If anyone tells me that Umesh, if told to land on a particular spot can't do after being told repeatedly, then I think there is some problem with either his intent or his coach's ability to make him understand," Aaqib said in a frank assessment.

 

if a part-time bower like Pandya can learn so fast & can be both eeconomical & take wickets in T20 format,why Yadav,Aaron are talking so much time .Some thing is wrong somewhere.  Rookies Bumrah & Pandya are able to win their captain ' s trust which both Aaron & Yadav were not able to win in so many years. Dhoni has now started to trust Pandya's bowling by giving his full quota of 4 overs & he is also bowling him above his favourite spinners & part time spinners

[express bowling]

if a part-time bower like Pandya can learn so fast & can be both eeconomical & take wickets in T20 format,why Yadav,Aaron are talking so much time .Some thing is wrong somewhere.  Rookies Bumrah & Pandya are able to win their captain ' s trust which both Aaron & Yadav were not able to win in so many years. Dhoni has now started to trust Pandya's bowling by giving his full quota of 4 overs & he is also bowling him above his favourite spinners & part time spinners

Very true.

Umesh and Aaron have bowled with better control under Kohli...and i think they will improve further as they play more tests from here on.  Rapport with the captain seems to be an important factor when it comes to accuracy of a fast bowler.

Edited March 3, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

if a part-time bower like Pandya can learn so fast & can be both eeconomical & take wickets in T20 format,why Yadav,Aaron are talking so much time .Some thing is wrong somewhere.  Rookies Bumrah & Pandya are able to win their captain ' s trust which both Aaron & Yadav were not able to win in so many years. Dhoni has now started to trust Pandya's bowling by giving his full quota of 4 overs & he is also bowling him above his favourite spinners & part time spinners

How many matches has Aaron played in conditions like these? Aaron has not played a single T20 for India, 5 ODIs since his come, has not played anything in last 1-2 years. Pandya is only playing because he can bat. Dhoni is a defensive captain. He is playing 2 spinners in Jaddu and Ashwin just because they can bat a bit which lengthens the batting line up. This is what he said in post-match conference. Pandya is bowling ahead of Jaddu and Ashwin because Dhoni has no other option. Pitches are not conducive for spinners.

[express bowling]

How many matches has Aaron played in conditions like these? Aaron has not played a single T20 for India, 5 ODIs since his come, has not played anything in last 1-2 years. Pandya is only playing because he can bat. Dhoni is a defensive captain. He is playing 2 spinners in Jaddu and Ashwin just because they can bat a bit which lengthens the batting line up. This is what he said in post-match conference. Pandya is bowling ahead of Jaddu and Ashwin because Dhoni has no other option. Pitches are not conducive for spinners.

Playing sporadic test matches and nothing else and having long gaps in-between impacts a fast bowler's confidence, rhythm  and his accuracy as a result.  Is happening with Aaron big-time.

Regarding Pandya...it is quite clear that Dhoni likes him and wants to give him confidence. This has also been instrumental in him bowling well ...not just these pitches. 

Edited March 3, 2016 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

Playing sporadic test matches and nothing else and having long gaps in-between impacts a fast bowler's confidence, rhythm  and his accuracy as a result.  Is happening with Aaron big-time.

Regarding Pandya...it is quite clear that Dhoni likes him and wants to give him confidence. This has also been instrumental in him bowling well ...not just these pitches. 

Like you give batsman chances even after failures, bowlers need the same too. Some start performing well immediately, some take time.

[express bowling]

Like you give batsman chances even after failures, bowlers need the same too. Some start performing well immediately, some take time.

Exactly....Rohit, Dhawan etc. gets so many chances yet we cannot cut some slack for a bouncy 150 k pacer who has been injured 4 or 5 times but still shows the heart to bowl fast.

[Mosher]

Umesh has got enough chances in ODI's and recently he has been disappointing. So his exclusion from the team is understandable. Shami is injured for a long time. But what wrong has Aaron done to not get selected for ODI's or T20's post his injuries. These days every good bowling attack has atleast quick bowler, even SL has Chameera who can clock 145+. But its sad that our quickest bowler Aaron is nowhere near the Indian team right now. Hope he is not forgotten like some our yesteryear quicks.

Edited March 3, 2016 by Mosher

[express bowling]

Umesh has got enough chances in ODI's and recently he has been disappointing. So his exclusion from the team is understandable. Shami is injured for a long time. But what wrong has Aaron done to not get selected for ODI's or T20's post his injuries. These days every good bowling team has atleast quick bowler, even SL has Chameera who can clock 145+. But its sad that our quickest bowler Aaron is nowhere near the Indian team right now. Hope he is not forgotten like some our yesteryear quicks.

Even Taskin was hurrying batsmen and clocked upto 148 k.  Every teams needs and has a quick bowler.

After the World T20 we need to bring back Aaron and give him confidence and support so that he can bowl without pressure.

When Aaron made his debut against England ....  he was bowling objectively and in good areas. So, he is capable of doing that.

[express bowling]

none of our pacers ever improve, forget the quicker bowlers.they are  better when they 1st come into the team 

We have seen Srinath and Zaheer improve a lot.

Even Ishant is bowling much better, with clearly improved accuracy and seam posoition,  in the last 2 years after his performances dipped sharply following an impressive first season.

[Rightarmfast]

A team is as good as its captain! This saying is not for nothing! If Umesh, Aaron were such garbage bowlers, how come they performed so well in WC? How come they performed so well in tests under Kohli. Umesh was looking like a reincarnation of Waqar Younis, and I am not hyping it. 

If you keep putting your soldiers down, keep looking down upon them, doubting their calibre, do you think they are going to win battles for you? 

[renjith]

Line and length is achieved through hours and hours of practice in the nets not through pampering from captain. These are heavily paid professional players and not under 14 kids.

[express bowling]

Asia  Cup League match vs UAE

 

Speed ranges ( for most deliveries excluding slower balls )

Bumrah  135 k to 143 k .... lots of 140 k + deliveries with good bounce

Pandya  130 k to 145 k ....bowled a wide range of speeds

Bhuvi    135 k to 140 k 

 

Bumrah moved the ball both ways, bowled a couple of good bouncers and was reasonable accurate. Got good bounce as usual.  Bowled 2 good yorkers in the last over. Picked a wicket.

Pandya was basically going for bounce today and picked a wicket with one rising delivery as usual. Bowled a few quick deliveries.

Bhuvi was swinging the ball both ways.  As I thought, he has not lost swing. Bowled a good line and length today and bowled some good bouncers at 138 k to 140 k.

Edited March 3, 2016 by express bowling

[Rightarmfast]

Pandya at 145? Wow! Now lets be serious, are we really sure if Amir, Wahab, Pandya and all are really touching these speeds or theres some error in the speed gun?

[express bowling]

Pandya at 145? Wow! Now lets be serious, are we really sure if Amir, Wahab, Pandya and all are really touching these speeds or theres some error in the speed gun?

Difficult to say.  Pandya actually bowled 145 k, 141 k,  135 k  130 k  every types of speeds in equal proportions with his faster deliveries.

Whereas a specialist bowler like Bumrah was always bowling 137 k  to  143 k.

[vishalvirsingh]

Exciting thing for me today was pandya getting a wicket of a 145k bouncer and bhuvi bowling extremely well

Swinging well.

[rkt.india]

Pandya at 145? Wow! Now lets be serious, are we really sure if Amir, Wahab, Pandya and all are really touching these speeds or theres some error in the speed gun?

you are saying like Aamir, Wahab, BK havent bowled that pace before.

[Rightarmfast]

you are saying like Aamir, Wahab, BK havent bowled that pace before.

Exactly! You got it so right because that's what I am saying!

[vishalvirsingh]

Umesh Yadav , Aaron , Ishant Sharma , and Shammi need to really pull up their SOCKS now as Dhoni has become really fond of Pandya and Bumrah( and also Nehra) which will mean that Pandya and Bumrah will become permanent members of ODI 11 too.

that actually means only 1 additional pace bowler in ODI...I guess Ishant , Umesh and Shammi will fight for that position now. I am assuming that Ishant, Umesh and shammi could be preferred to Bhuvi.

for Tests- Pandya may become a Sure shot selection very soon as RISHI and BINNY are not serious bowlers at all to give him any competition for Tests. The kind of talent he has shown.. it makes sense to invest in him even if he gets OUT at low scores initially.

Bumrah umesh aaron and ishant could be the 4 pacers and only 2 would be picked out of 4 ( as pandya will be the third pacer)