Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Suhaan]

41 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

Then with a very potent attack we dont need to play jugaadu ARs and play with soecialist batsmen..as premium bowling should be able keep the target below par or kill the chase…esp neutralize lower order resistance against us which has always been our achiles heel

You cannot rule out batting credentials these days needed in pace bowlers,there will be time they will go for runs ,need to compensate that with some hitting

Part time spinnerz are mostly murdered these days,so you won't see top order batsmen giving you 6-7 overs

So,to balance it out,the onus falls unfortunately on pacers

That will be norm in coming days unless ICC goes back to pre 2012 rulebooks

That is why frauds o ke Shardul,Jadeja,Boobie sneak every now and then

But I see a positive change in newcomers or upcoming pace crop,they are not mug with the bat either atleast now

[MediumPacer]

21 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

You cannot rule out batting credentials these days needed in pace bowlers,there will be time they will go for runs ,need to compensate that with some hitting

Part time spinnerz are mostly murdered these days,so you won't see top order batsmen giving you 6-7 overs

So,to balance it out,the onus falls unfortunately on pacers

That will be norm in coming days unless ICC goes back to pre 2012 rulebooks

That is why frauds o ke Shardul,Jadeja,Boobie sneak every now and then

But I see a positive change in newcomers or upcoming pace crop,they are not mug with the bat either atleast now

The nos 8 and 9 are very important slots,we need 2 high quality bowlers who can bat at those numbers.Ordinary bowlers who can bat or quality bowlers who can't bat won't work consistently there, specially against good opposition.

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

You cannot rule out batting credentials these days needed in pace bowlers,there will be time they will go for runs ,need to compensate that with some hitting

Part time spinnerz are mostly murdered these days,so you won't see top order batsmen giving you 6-7 overs

So,to balance it out,the onus falls unfortunately on pacers

That will be norm in coming days unless ICC goes back to pre 2012 rulebooks

That is why frauds o ke Shardul,Jadeja,Boobie sneak every now and then

But I see a positive change in newcomers or upcoming pace crop,they are not mug with the bat either atleast now

 

Harshit, Tyagi and Hangargekar can all bat decently and hit big. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

You cannot rule out batting credentials these days needed in pace bowlers,there will be time they will go for runs ,need to compensate that with some hitting

Part time spinnerz are mostly murdered these days,so you won't see top order batsmen giving you 6-7 overs

So,to balance it out,the onus falls unfortunately on pacers

That will be norm in coming days unless ICC goes back to pre 2012 rulebooks

That is why frauds o ke Shardul,Jadeja,Boobie sneak every now and then

But I see a positive change in newcomers or upcoming pace crop,they are not mug with the bat either atleast now

The ideal scenario would have been if BCCI and Selectors look for format specific bowler. Like a bowler who could not hit but and hang around with a batter on other end can play and be preferred in Tests.

 

A team these days can not afford more than 1 non-batting bowler in white-ball. Ind has dragged themselves to a situation where team does not have a leg-spinner in wc side

and even when if they are picked in WC that spinner cannot make it into playing 11.

 

Yes batters have to bowl well as well. But a team these days needs to bat till 8. White-ball is v.high risk 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

Harshit, Tyagi and Hangargekar can all bat decently and hit big. 

Harshit should have been in WC team,  could have replaced Thakur easily.

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

You cannot rule out batting credentials these days needed in pace bowlers,there will be time they will go for runs ,need to compensate that with some hitting

Part time spinnerz are mostly murdered these days,so you won't see top order batsmen giving you 6-7 overs

So,to balance it out,the onus falls unfortunately on pacers

That will be norm in coming days unless ICC goes back to pre 2012 rulebooks

That is why frauds o ke Shardul,Jadeja,Boobie sneak every now and then

But I see a positive change in newcomers or upcoming pace crop,they are not mug with the bat either atleast now

ofc..we dont want tail to start at 7 but the current jugaadu ARs are still like tails.none of their skills I will take as reliable one..I dont care about stats..only decent technique in bat I see is with Deepak Chahar in my opinion..

we need all the players with minimum one premium primary skill.."premium" is the keyword for me..then we need to groom their secondary skills..

btw Rahul Chahar seems to have improved his batting..almost won the match for his team..hitting multiple sixes of Vishal Godara and Ashok Sharma..bowlers need to improve their batting skills 

 

 

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

The nos 8 and 9 are very important slots,we need 2 high quality bowlers who can bat at those numbers.Ordinary bowlers who can bat or quality bowlers who can't bat won't work consistently there, specially against good opposition.

lets think of these scenarios...

 

6 premium batters(inc wk)+1 premium AR like Pandu/Shadab +4 premium bowlers

--we will need min one batter(ideally one more as parttime) to groom bowling as a secondary skill

--we will need min one bowler(ideally 2) to groom batting as a secondary still

 

5 premium batters(inc wk) + 1 premium AR like Pandu/Shadab + 5 premium bowlers

--we will need one to groom bowling as a parttime skill

--we will need min 2 bowlers(ideally 3) to groom batting as a secondary still

 

in both these cases..provided we groom those extra skills..we will be a top side..

 

jugaadu ARs not fit my criterion..as they are not premium in any skill..if we keep them we are always pushing for mediocricity..our vision should be for previous 2 approaches in my view for future..even if it takes an year..

 

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by Need4Speed

[rkt.india]

RPL has found their own Pathirana in Ravindra Khicher.

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

ofc..we dont want tail to start at 7 but the current jugaadu ARs are still like tails.none of their skills I will take as reliable one..I dont care about stats..only decent technique in bat I see is with Deepak Chahar in my opinion..

we need all the players with minimum one premium primary skill.."premium" is the keyword for me..then we need to groom their secondary skills..

btw Rahul Chahar seems to have improved his batting..almost won the match for his team..hitting multiple sixes of Vishal Godara and Ashok Sharma..bowlers need to improve their batting skills 

 

 

Scored 34(11) and smashed shots all over the ground..plus picked up 3 wkts as well.

 

I like Rahul Chahar, he has tremendous potential and unlike his cousin he is someone who takes his cricket seriously. He should also be around the white ball team alongside Sundar, Axar, Bishnoi & Kuldeep (though I would like to see Kuldeep as a long format bowler).

[singhvivek141]

44 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

RPL has found their own Pathirana in Ravindra Khicher.

Bhai kahe ka pathirana...

I saw his bowling yesterday and he lacks control, pace is also not that quick. Shubham Garhwal smashed him for six by stepping down of the pitch.

There was another left arm pacer "Rishabh something" from Jodhpur team who also has a round arm action and was bowling yorkers and back of hand slower bowls in death.

[MediumPacer]

9 hours ago, Need4Speed said:

lets think of these scenarios...

 

6 premium batters(inc wk)+1 premium AR like Pandu/Shadab +4 premium bowlers

--we will need min one batter(ideally one more as parttime) to groom bowling as a secondary skill

--we will need min one bowler(ideally 2) to groom batting as a secondary still

 

5 premium batters(inc wk) + 1 premium AR like Pandu/Shadab + 5 premium bowlers

--we will need one to groom bowling as a parttime skill

--we will need min 2 bowlers(ideally 3) to groom batting as a secondary still

 

in both these cases..provided we groom those extra skills..we will be a top side..

 

jugaadu ARs not fit my criterion..as they are not premium in any skill..if we keep them we are always pushing for mediocricity..our vision should be for previous 2 approaches in my view for future..even if it takes an year..

 

 

We need suitable pitches as well,otherwise it's a pie in the sky.

 

To encourage athletic bowlers we need pitches that dont turn at all ,otherwise on slow turners finger spinners are the best .

[Need4Speed]

10 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

We need suitable pitches as well,otherwise it's a pie in the sky.

 

To encourage athletic bowlers we need pitches that dont turn at all ,otherwise on slow turners finger spinners are the best .

Absolutely tge premium bowlers will be a mix of pace and soinners depending upon the conditions/pitch..additionally AR is there to provide decent balance in such scenarios

Edited September 8, 2023 by Need4Speed

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Scored 34(11) and smashed shots all over the ground..plus picked up 3 wkts as well.

 

I like Rahul Chahar, he has tremendous potential and unlike his cousin he is someone who takes his cricket seriously. He should also be around the white ball team alongside Sundar, Axar, Bishnoi & Kuldeep (though I would like to see Kuldeep as a long format bowler).

He started very well but lost his way somewhat but if he keeps batting well..he wont do any harm to his chances

Edited September 8, 2023 by Need4Speed

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Bhai kahe ka pathirana...

I saw his bowling yesterday and he lacks control, pace is also not that quick. Shubham Garhwal smashed him for six by stepping down of the pitch.

There was another left arm pacer "Rishabh something" from Jodhpur team who also has a round arm action and was bowling yorkers and back of hand slower bowls in death.

RR had called him at net bowler to practice for Pathirana. Rishab Rajput is a left arm bowler in uptl.

[MediumPacer]

Till now all 12 wickets for pacers.

[MediumPacer]

147k pathirana

[singhvivek141]

Kartik Tyagi needs to improve the control on his line..he is bowling quick but in every game he is giving more than 9 per over on an average.

 

Yesterday as well, he was surely bowling 145+ but he is somehow not able to control his line as he is giving lot of width. 

Though he has good control in death overs, bowled a fast yorker to get a wicket..but I think he has talent to demolish any batting order.

 

Though, I must say that he is now looking in good rhythm and is bowling super quick. I dont think anyone in the UPT20 is even remotely close to him in term of sheer pace. Some deliveries even felt like in 148-150 range.

Edited September 10, 2023 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

@rkt.india Atal Bihari Rai from Kashi Rudras is quite tall, in the highlights he seemed to me like a trundler but do you know more about him ?

 

Kunal Yadav doesn't seem very quick, he has a quick arm action by I don't think he will be more than 135...could be wrong though.

[MediumPacer]

22 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Kartik Tyagi needs to improve the control on his line..he is bowling quick but in every game he is giving more than 9 per over on an average.

 

Yesterday as well, he was surely bowling 145+ but he is somehow not able to control his line as he is giving lot of width. 

Though he has good control in death overs, bowled a fast yorker to get a wicket..but I think he has talent to demolish any batting order.

 

Though, I must say that he is now looking in good rhythm and is bowling super quick. I dont think anyone in the UPT20 is even remotely close to him in term of sheer pace. Some deliveries even felt like in 148-150 range.

I thought his pace looked down but some balls are quick.My guess is low to high 80mph range.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

I thought his pace looked down but some balls are quick.My guess is low to high 80mph range.

Who, Kartik ?

I only saw the highlights and his deliveries looked day & light quicker than rest.

The Yorker was a sure shot 90mph +...

 

One thing I like that he makes the commentators talk about his pace. Every commentator is saying that he is fast and batters are late to play him.