Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[express bowling]

30 year old Corbin Bosch debuted for SA in tests and was bowling 140 k to 146 k in the highlights. 

 

Picked 5 wickets at 23 but ER of 4+.

Edited December 29, 2024 by express bowling

[express bowling]

SA has an almost unending supply of tall pacers bowling atleast 135 k to 145 k or higher.

[Suhaan]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bro, this is really poor and selfish captaincy by Rohit.

 

Because he is on his last legs, he has never looked to the future and just tried for temporary solutions for current match / series. 

 

We need a younger captain who has a future to build. 

 

 

Bumrah must slap or at best refuse Rohit

[Lord]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

30 year old Corbin Bosch debuted for SA in tests and was bowling 140 k to 146 k in the highlights. 

 

Picked 5 wickets at 23 but ER of 4+.

 

And he;s not even a frontline pacer. An AR who scored 90

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Bro, this is really poor and selfish captaincy by Rohit.

 

Because he is on his last legs, he has never looked to the future and just tried for temporary solutions for current match / series. 

 

We need a younger captain who has a future to build. 

 

 

I know Rohit is a negative iq ultra chewt guy

But what is the role of DSP?after playing so many games he's still behaving like a rookie who is playing in the protective umbrella of Bumrah

He is there to share load of Bumrah,he should come forward and say I will do it for India

All this shredding tears during Anthem don't mean a zilch if you don't take any responsibility

[Ultimate_Game]

24 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Bumrah must slap or at best refuse Rohit

 

He should simply walk off the field one day. This is pathetic and I would rather Bumrah does so instead of Rohit destroying him.

[tapandrun]

Can see bhumrah going Srinath's way here. These captains have no idea how to utilize the pacers.

 

They have not been able to induct any good pacer in the team and the ones they have they are hell-bent to burry them.

 

Hopefully by the end of bgt bhumrah comes out uninjured, but by the looks of it they want him to bowl every over and get Aus ao.

 

This shows how and why high potential fast bowlers are not making into the team, they are not given chance to grow, learn, develop...

This is why they keep calling for finished products, they donot want to put any effort into it. The reason why thakur, mukesh, undakat, khaleel, avesh keeps making into the team.

 

Mentioned this on this thread regarding bhumrah might be looking for longevity, there is no support frm other end.

The captain has no idea how to get wkt if bhumrah is not bowling.

 

Edited December 29, 2024 by tapandrun

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Can see bhumrah going Srinath's way here. These captains have no idea how to utilize the pacers.

 

They have not been able to induct any good pacer in the team and the ones they have they are hell-bent to burry them.

 

Hopefully by the end of bgt bhumrah comes out uninjured, but by the looks of it they want him to bowl every over and get Aus ao.

 

This shows how and why high potential fast bowlers are not making into the team, they are not given chance to grow, learn, develop...

This is why they keep calling for finished products, they donot want to put any effort into it. The reason why thakur, mukesh, undakat, khaleel, avesh keeps making into the team.

 

Mentioned this on this thread regarding bhumrah might be looking for longevity, there is no support frm other end.

The captain has no idea how to get wkt if bhumrah is not bowling.

 

 

That's why I want Bumrah to be the captain, and I want selectors to listen to Bumrah to pick the pool of next gen pacers. Bumrah would've interacted with and seen most of the pace options we have and he would know whom to back and who can be the future match winners.

 

Use Bumrah as a mentor to guide the next generation of pacers by making Bumrah the captain and let him choose, select, guide and mentor the future generation. All Rohit has done is stall all progress of our pacers and is so dumb that he can't think of anything other than throwing the ball to Bumrah.

[tapandrun]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That's why I want Bumrah to be the captain, and I want selectors to listen to Bumrah to pick the pool of next gen pacers. Bumrah would've interacted with and seen most of the pace options we have and he would know whom to back and who can be the future match winners.

 

Use Bumrah as a mentor to guide the next generation of pacers by making Bumrah the captain and let him choose, select, guide and mentor the future generation. All Rohit has done is stall all progress of our pacers and is so dumb that he can't think of anything other than throwing the ball to Bumrah.

 

For bhumrah to captain he would have to play every single game, not a good idea. He has already been injured twice.

 

The best way to utilize bhumrah would be to induct high potential fast bowlers in ODis and play them along side bhumrah where he only bowls 6/7 overs and others try and bowl under his guidance and he only bowls when needed. The newer bowlers need to learn how to take wkts.

Right now there is no plan to develop any bowlers   

 

 

 

[Vijy]

12 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

 

For bhumrah to captain he would have to play every single game, not a good idea. He has already been injured twice.

 

The best way to utilize bhumrah would be to induct high potential fast bowlers in ODis and play them along side bhumrah where he only bowls 6/7 overs and others try and bowl under his guidance and he only bowls when needed. The newer bowlers need to learn how to take wkts.

Right now there is no plan to develop any bowlers   

 

 

 

we cannot rely on 1 man to "develop" pacers. changes from grassroots level onward are needed. likewise, our spin reserves barring kuldeep are bare - the rest are all darter ARs who cannot take wkts abroad. Also big issues with test batters emerging

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

And he;s not even a frontline pacer. An AR who scored 90

 

Why did SA not play an AR bowling 90 mph before age 30  !!!!

 

Quota system taking its toll  ?

[tapandrun]

14 minutes ago, Vijy said:

we cannot rely on 1 man to "develop" pacers. changes from grassroots level onward are needed. likewise, our spin reserves barring kuldeep are bare - the rest are all darter ARs who cannot take wkts abroad. Also big issues with test batters emerging

The grassroots level changes are hard to make, teams are playing to win and these sub 130 kmph bowlers offers lower eco and in helping condition wkts too.

Batter pokes at these dibbly-dobbly balls and gets caught in slips or by wkt-keeper and if not caught those edges does not go to boundary.

 

There are nt many 135+kmph bowlers playing/getting games at domestic at level and there are fewer playing Ranji 

Any1 trying bowling 135+ kmph only comes as  1 change, if they go for runs they are removed from attack, when and where are they going to learn, due to extra pace edges goes to boundary nt ending-up in slips or wkt-keeper's hands. Some times well timed cover-driver goes to boundary due to extra pace. Any new bowler going for runs gets dropped next match. Its the harsh reality of it. Samething with extra bounce bowlers edges goes over slips.

Mentioned this about spin too the reason for getting big turners of the ball is because it takes time to develop skills and control the spin. Teams want eco. bowlers there you get darters. A new leg-spinner will bowl short balls get hits, will bowl fulltosses this is why Ind does not have big legspinner but bowlers like bishnoi and R.chahar and chahal 

who cannot really rip the ball.

 

This season too Gurnoor gets dropped after getting hit for run in couple of matches same with sakib, nagarkoti was lucky that he had a good game.

Sen has hardly played any cricket in last 2/2.5 years now.  Need to make it mandatory to have bowler bowling 135+ kmph consistently in Ranji sides.

For test you need tall fast bowlers there is no other way around it. 

 

Ind keeps selecting bowlers like Aqib, Avesh, Kumar, Kamboj, dar, etc for development tours and series, are they high potential bowlers ???? or they are just making to the team because they are perceived as eco. bowlers ???

Saini still plays in A teams what is the point of that .....

 

There are more fast bowler (with some potential) in IPL teams nets than the ones playing at ranji level.  

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

2 hours ago, express bowling said:

30 year old Corbin Bosch debuted for SA in tests and was bowling 140 k to 146 k in the highlights. 

 

Picked 5 wickets at 23 but ER of 4+.

 

He is been around in SA cricket played U19 wc , think he does not have v.impressive record at domestic level. 

Played is some of those t20 leagues

[Vijy]

15 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

The grassroots level changes are hard to make, teams are playing to win and these sub 130 kmph bowlers offers lower eco and in helping condition wkts too.

Batter pokes at these dibbly-dobbly balls and gets caught in slips or by wkt-keeper and if not caught those edges does not go to boundary.

 

There are nt many 135+kmph bowlers playing/getting games at domestic at level and there are fewer playing Ranji 

Any1 trying bowling 135+ kmph only comes as  1 change, if they go for runs they are removed from attack, when and where are they going to learn, due to extra pace edges goes to boundary nt ending-up in slips or wkt-keeper's hands. Some times well timed cover-driver goes to boundary due to extra pace. Any new bowler going for runs gets dropped next match. Its the harsh reality of it. Samething with extra bounce bowlers edges goes over slips.

Mentioned this about spin too the reason for getting big turners of the ball is because it takes time to develop skills and control the spin. Teams want eco. bowlers there you get darters. A new leg-spinner will bowl short balls get hits, will bowl fulltosses this is why Ind does not have big legspinner but bowlers like bishnoi and R.chahar and chahal 

who cannot really rip the ball.

 

This season too Gurnoor gets dropped after getting hit for run in couple of matches same with sakib, nagarkoti was lucky that he had a good game.

Sen has hardly played any cricket in last 2/2.5 years now.  Need to make it mandatory to have bowler bowling 135+ kmph consistently in Ranji sides.

For test you need tall fast bowlers there is no other way around it. 

 

Ind keeps selecting bowlers like Aqib, Avesh, Kumar, Kamboj, dar, etc for development tours and series, are they high potential bowlers ???? or they are just making to the team because they are perceived as eco. bowlers ???

Saini still plays in A teams what is the point of that .....

 

There are more fast bowler (with some potential) in IPL teams nets than the ones playing at ranji level.  

 

 

 

Grassroots doesn't mean Ranji level. It means starting much earlier - U16 to U19 level, and even before. Bowlers with height, fast twitch muscle fibres can be identified in this period, and they should be sent to specialized training camps. If you think that seems outlandish, note that many sports pursue such approaches - look at when & where Messi was recruited by Barcelona, and he's not the only example by any means, just the most famous one

[tapandrun]

Top opening spell by starc 140-145 kmph , late swing 

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, tapandrun said:

 

For bhumrah to captain he would have to play every single game, not a good idea. He has already been injured twice.

 

The best way to utilize bhumrah would be to induct high potential fast bowlers in ODis and play them along side bhumrah where he only bowls 6/7 overs and others try and bowl under his guidance and he only bowls when needed. The newer bowlers need to learn how to take wkts.

Right now there is no plan to develop any bowlers   

 

 

 

 

He can follow Cummins' model. Stay away and let others captain, and only play key series. Pant can be the vice captain who can step in when Bumrah is away and that'll also help us with our captaincy succession plan.

[tapandrun]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He can follow Cummins' model. Stay away and let others captain, and only play key series. Pant can be the vice captain who can step in when Bumrah is away and that'll also help us with our captaincy succession plan.

How many captains Ind have in that condition Sky in T20, Bhumrah/Pant in Test and Rohit in Odis....??? 4 captains ...???

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, tapandrun said:

How many captains Ind have in that condition Sky in T20, Bhumrah/Pant in Test and Rohit in Odis....??? 4 captains ...???

 

This is post Rohit. SKY for T20 and Bumrah/Pant for Tests & ODIs.

[Vijy]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is post Rohit. SKY for T20 and Bumrah/Pant for Tests & ODIs.

diff captains in diff formats is not that unorthodox an idea, it's quite sensible

[tapandrun]

11 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is post Rohit. SKY for T20 and Bumrah/Pant for Tests & ODIs.

Pant does not have game for T20, as soon Ind team pins dwn their choice for T20i wkt-keeper it would be hard for Pant to Keep place In odi side too.

Edited December 30, 2024 by tapandrun