Dhoni is like Congress politician

[nevada]

He is too powerful and popular to quit. Just like Ganguly.

Way more powerful than Ganguly. Ganguly was captain from 2000-2005 and after the spat with Chapell, his career got derailed. Dhobi has been captain since 2007 and is still going strong, with his position safe until the world cup.

[zep1706]

5 years of not winning an ODI series at home sans Bangladesh/Zimbawe. Even against Zimbabwe 2002' date=' were 2-1 down with balls in our mouth. :cantstop: In the end, picked up a fight with the coach over some ego and went to "show off" against a minnow team.[/quote'] I was talking about test cricket. I am fine with Dhoni continuing as limited over captain. 1) Ganguly did not lose 12 out of 16 overseas tests. 2) Did not look as clueless as Dhoni has in the field. Forget the results, anyone who follows test cricket closely would be disgusted by Dhoni's "funky" captaincy. PS: Zimbabwe were a pretty decent side at that time. Much better than Bangladesh of today. You can even make a case that they were better than today's West Indies.

[Crookbond]

I was talking about test cricket. I am fine with Dhoni continuing as limited over captain. 1) Ganguly did not lose 12 out of 16 overseas tests. 2) Did not look as clueless as Dhoni has in the field. Forget the results, anyone who follows test cricket closely would be disgusted by Dhoni's "funky" captaincy. PS: Zimbabwe were a pretty decent side at that time. Much better than Bangladesh of today. You can even make a case that they were better than today's West Indies.

Ganguly had Dravid in Test matches who in his 21 Test wins averaged 102+. There's no other captain in the history of cricket who has had such a player for him. Ganguly had Kumble, Laxman, Tendulkar in their prime too. FYI - I don't mean to compare Ganguly and Dhoni. Just that when people suddenly turn nostalgic with Ganguly this and that, forget about that once upon a time both were essentially equally worse. No matter how the Zimbabwe side was, you can't really excuse Ganguly for not winning a ODI series in 5 years of "strong", "attacking" and "aggressive" captaincy.

[zep1706]

Just that when people suddenly turn nostalgic with Ganguly this and that, forget about that once upon a time both were essentially equally worse.

I don't know how closely you follow test cricket but personally I think Dhoni is tactically the worst test captain I have seen. The guy says that he is happy with the progress after losing a test in just over 2 days and then comes out and says that a loss is a loss, the number of days does not matter when he was asked about the possibility of rain. After losing tests after tests he has shown no desperation or desire to get better. Ganguly or anyone else for that matter behaved after a loss like they actually gave a fekk and here we have a captain who does not even seem to care. It is not a comparison with Ganguly but a strong character is what India need at this point.

No matter how the Zimbabwe side was, you can't really excuse Ganguly for not winning a ODI series in 5 years of "strong", "attacking" and "aggressive" captaincy.

Those are your words not mine. When Ganguly did not perform he was removed from captaincy in 2005. Dhoni has eternal immunity, that is the biggest difference.

[Crookbond]

I don't know how closely you follow test cricket but personally I think Dhoni is tactically the worst test captain I have seen. The guy says that he is happy with the progress after losing a test in just over 2 days and then comes out and says that a loss is a loss, the number of days does not matter when he was asked about the possibility of rain. After losing tests after tests he has shown no desperation or desire to get better. Ganguly or anyone else for that matter behaved after a loss like they actually gave a fekk and here we have a captain who does not even seem to care. It is not a comparison with Ganguly but a strong character is what India need at this point. Those are your words not mine. When Ganguly did not perform he was removed from captaincy in 2005. Dhoni has eternal immunity, that is the biggest difference.

Many people say many different things in public. I don't care what he says in press conferences - particularly with the Indian media jumping up/down to make an issue out of every pin drop. I judge it with results and on that basis Dhoni should be done & dusted with the captaincy of the Indian cricket team. However, if you're going to come and tell me that once that is done India will start winning Test matches against this same England team - we are in fantasy world. Let me remind you that Ganguly wasn't performing for at least 2+ years before he was removed from captaincy. That too, after behaving like an over smart ***** in Zimbabwe.

[G_B_]

the big question is who is going to be modi?

[asterix]

the big question is who is going to be modi?

It depends who gets control of BCCI... Players like GG and Kohli can't wait for Jaitley to get control of BCCI... Coming elections in Maharashtra, Haryana and few other states will help tilting the balance of power towards NDA.

[Crookbond]

the big question is who is going to be modi?

err ... Lalit Modi? :dontknow:

[FischerTal]

kejriwal bach gaya

[Desi Cartman]

Damn' date=' now I have to support him. Apna haath Dhoni ke saath[/quote'] sounds weird

[CG]

Atleast we can vote out congress but this moron is here to stay .

[zep1706]

Many people say many different things in public. I don't care what he says in press conferences - particularly with the Indian media jumping up/down to make an issue out of every pin drop. I judge it with results and on that basis Dhoni should be done & dusted with the captaincy of the Indian cricket team. However, if you're going to come and tell me that once that is done India will start winning Test matches against this same England team - we are in fantasy world. Let me remind you that Ganguly wasn't performing for at least 2+ years before he was removed from captaincy. That too, after behaving like an over smart ***** in Zimbabwe.

I am not sure what are you on about really. First you were going on and on about Ganguly when I only mentioned that India needed a strong character like Ganguly and now you are assuming that I said everything would be alright and India would start winning instantly with a new captain. When exactly did I say that? I am just not OK with Dhoni continuing as the test captain of India and with a new man it can't get any worse than that. Dhoni has had his chances and he failed miserably. I also detest his "unconventional" and defensive style of captaincy in test cricket. Time to move on.

[Crookbond]

I am not sure what are you on about really. First you were going on and on about Ganguly when I only mentioned that India needed a strong character like Ganguly and now you are assuming that I said everything would be alright and India would start winning instantly with a new captain. When exactly did I say that? I am just not OK with Dhoni continuing as the test captain of India and with a new man it can't get any worse than that. Dhoni has had his chances and he failed miserably. I also detest his "unconventional" and defensive style of captaincy in test cricket. Time to move on.

I don't see why/how we need someone like Ganguly here. We don't need a "character" we need someone who performs on the field and is tactically average as a captain. We don't need people who wave off shirts or sit out of Test matches feigning injuries. I never said "you said it" but if "experts" on ICF are to be believed that is how cricket works. The person who doesn't play is the biggest match winner. The best cricketers on ICF are those who make the team but don't play in them.

[FreakazoiD]

http://www.thecricketmonthly.com/story/762745/the-star-we-don-t-know Interesting must-read piece on MS Dhoni by Sid Monga here (registration needed). He's tried to go deep into Dhoni's past and dissect his personality and mentality which may explain some of the decisions he tends to make in test cricket. But also raises more questions!

[Sir john]

india need msd till 2015 world we cant afford to change captain.

[CSK Fan]

india need msd till 2015 world we cant afford to change captain.

Only because you want Kenya to win against India. Didn't I tell you to go to Africa and throw yourself in front of a lion?

[zep1706]

I don't see why/how we need someone like Ganguly here. We don't need a "character" we need someone who performs on the field and is tactically average as a captain. We don't need people who wave off shirts or sit out of Test matches feigning injuries.

That is my opinion. Dhoni, to me comes across as someone who does not care strongly enough about these losses and the manner in which they are losing. I expect the captain to be a bit more introspective and honest. He was quick to take credit for Lord's but never accepts any negative about his captaincy and always comes up with an excuse. I certainly won't support someone who says that he's happy with the progress or it does not matter how many days it takes, a loss is a loss after a defeat within 2 days and 1 session. One can defend him by saying that he's not supposed to reveal everything in press conferences but I don't take that argument. He is not being honest to the people who support the team and overall sending a very meek and defensive signal. As I have said a number of times before, I also think Dhoni is tactically not good enough to lead a test side. His role as captain should be limited to limited overs and even then in conditions that favor pace bowling he would struggle tactically. The reason why I talked about Ganguly was because he came at a very delicate time in Indian cricket with match fixing etc and also the team was losing both home and away. It was basically the same team that lost to Australia 0-3 and then to SA in India. He had that in him transform the team mentally to perform well overseas. He was certainly not perfect (I myself criticized him for being defensive in Sydney a few days ago) but in my eyes he deserves credit for that. The approach in facing teams like Australia changed and Ganguly instilled that belief in the team. You come across as a Ganguly hater, so I don't expect you to agree with me, but there are many who would take a Ganguly over Dhoni at this point.

I never said "you said it" but if "experts" on ICF are to be believed that is how cricket works. The person who doesn't play is the biggest match winner. The best cricketers on ICF are those who make the team but don't play in them.

When you are engaging with me in a one to one discussion, I expect you to address the issues that I have raised or things that I have said; otherwise mention it specifically. I don't speak for all of ICF.

[Sir john]

Only because you want Kenya to win against India. Didn't I tell you to go to Africa and throw yourself in front of a lion?

so whom u want captain?

[adi B]

Dhoni is the worst captain I have ever seen in test matches away from home.nobody comes close in being more incompetent than dhoni.dhoni has no bussines being the test captain after such an abysmal record.he's the most uninspiring and hopeless figure in that test team but sadly he'll continue as the captain for more years and we cricket fans 'who actually watch test matches' have to bear with this nincompoop!!

[velu]

so whom u want captain?

anyone except dhoni :giggle: