Precambrian Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 That's fair enough. Each to their own. Bet you weren't saying that after Lord's though What you expect me to do? Berate the youngsters for winning? What they achieved was nothing short of incredible. personally with this kind of inexperience and pathetic scheduling (five test matches LMAO), expected nothing short of a 5-0 drubbing, yet by the end of second test, they were leading 1-0, that is nothing short of awesome. In the long run, it still ain't good - market dynamics and logic suggests that only one format is winning this - it ain't test cricket. Let's be forward thinking for a moment and start really endorsing that.
YCCC Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 What you expect me to do? Berate the youngsters for winning? Erm, of course not. But my point was more to do with your attitude to Test cricket. As soon as india start getting thumped at it again it's suddenly outdated and archaic according to many Indian fans
NareshK Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Erm' date=' of course not. But my point was more to do with your attitude to Test cricket. As soon as india start getting thumped at it again it's suddenly outdated and archaic according to many Indian fans[/quote'] You can't generalize like that. For some of us, test cricket is still the best format and consider Lord's test a great achievement and the next 2 defeats big setbacks. Some others in India find the format boring, whether win or lose. To each his own.
Precambrian Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Erm' date=' of course not. But my point was more to do with your attitude to Test cricket. As soon as india start getting thumped at it again it's suddenly outdated and archaic according to many Indian fans[/quote'] Oh you tihnk its a case of sour grapes? Lol! I still like watching test cricket, because I am not strictly a "youngster" and I have nostalgia. I like Ambassador cars, and I admit I read Nehru. But does that mean I endorse all the above? No! Similarly when India won a test at Lords, I celebrated, but that still woudn't change my opinion about it would it?
YCCC Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 It's a problem unique to cricket isn't it. One game three formats with different countries rating each format differently in terms of importance The 'old guard' of England, Australia and SA favouring Tests and the 'new wave' in Asia, and India especially, favouring the faster pace of limited overs. No one can argue that the WC has most prestige across the cricketing world as a whole, and I hope England address their poor performances in it in the years to come, while also staying loyal to tradition with success in Tests. The problem exists on a smaller scale in county cricket too. It's a bit of a north-south divide (as with many things here) The southern counties like Hampshire, Essex, Sussex and Somerset favour limited overs, whereas the northern counties of Durham, Lancs, Notts and Yorks see the 4 day county championship as the holy grail
Precambrian Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 It's a problem unique to cricket isn't it. One game three formats with different countries rating each format differently in terms of importance The 'old guard' of England, Australia and SA favouring Tests and the 'new wave' in Asia, and India especially, favouring the faster pace of limited overs. No one can argue that the WC has most prestige across the cricketing world as a whole, and I hope England address their poor performances in it in the years to come, while also staying loyal to tradition with success in Tests. The problem exists on a smaller scale in county cricket too. It's a bit of a north-south divide (as with many things here) The southern counties like Hampshire, Essex, Sussex and Somerset favour limited overs, whereas the northern counties of Durham, Lancs, Notts and Yorks see the 4 day county championship as the holy grail It doesn't certainly help when the UK and Aus still treat every test series as a preparatory testing ground for build up to the next Ashes series. If a subcontinental team beats either of these two in a test series, articles that come up invariably refer to "correcting the mistakes before the Ashes come up". Naturally, the other boards are inclined to think what they are doing but being mere fluffers before the actual event. More than that is the culture issue - youngsters are making up a big portion of India's population - majority of these guys have been brought up on ODIs and of course the IPL and it's naturally the format they identify with the most. To impose test cricket upon them is useless, they don't have the time or resources or the "cultural baggage" or the need to "prove to someone" that they have to follow test cricket. The young players do not have any incentive whatsoever to slog it out and make it big in the longer formats - simply because of economic considerations. A Yousuf Pathan with skills largely resembling an axeman than a test cricketer probably earns more than a pleasing on the eye and dedicated Che Pujara. So where is the motivation? Test cricket is not a holy cow, a sancrosanct format that should be revered and worshipped perenially even if at a cost. No. It's just another format, and if it can't adapt / sustain itself, better let it be a goner.
YCCC Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 It doesn't certainly help when the UK and Aus still treat every test series as a preparatory testing ground for build up to the next Ashes series. If a subcontinental team beats either of these two in a test series' date=' articles that come up invariably refer to "correcting the mistakes before the Ashes come up". Naturally, the other boards are inclined to think what they are doing but being mere fluffers before the actual event.[/quote'] Absolutely. Good point. Should England go on to win the series, the talk will be about the 'beginning of the rebuilding process ahead of next year's Ashes but can we do better against Johnson et al next year(no btw)'. To an Englishman and an Aussie this is kind of understandable given the long rivalry between the teams. However, the Australians showed a balance could be struck, albeit with one of THE great teams. And let's not forget India have done it too, being the no.1 ranked Test team when they won the World Cup in 2011 :two_thumbs_up:
vvvslaxman Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 Pujara , Rahane, vijay none of them are specialists in shorter formats. So I am not buying they are not interested. If anything I have rarely seen the concentration of vijay from an Indian opener in a long time in English conditions. Getting into bad patch can happen very quickly. A loose shot, brilliant catch, a fluke runout, bad umpiring call. Suddenly doubts will start creeping in. Pujara was one of those cases. Slowly Rahane, vijay turn into one.
Texan Posted August 16, 2014 Posted August 16, 2014 When you have a captain who couldn't care less about Test matches, what do you expect from the players?
vayuu1 Posted August 17, 2014 Posted August 17, 2014 A certain guy only care about is the hills and valley of female version of joker. sent from dil se
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