vvvslaxman Posted April 12, 2015 Author Posted April 12, 2015 They are hitting effortlessly already' date=' can only get better.[/quote'] One six was 99 meters.. would have cleared any ground in the world.. That is some talent.
express bowling Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Everyone in India is ( susceptible against short bowling )..... NO..... Kohli, Rahane, Rohit, Dhoni, Vijay, Pujara are all good to decent against short balls. Among retired batsmen Gavaskar, Kapil, Srikanth, Patil, Vishwanath, Amarnath, Shastri , Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman....were good to decent too.
rkt.india Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 One six was 99 meters.. would have cleared any ground in the world.. That is some talent. Yeah, Iyer too hit one at 95 meter. They will only get better if they play high quality bowling regularly. Also, in IPL, they get to bat against good international bowlers in the nets, which is an advantage too. Iyer scored 64 ball 121 in one of practice gamed they played. Hooda has been even better. Exciting prospects.
rkt.india Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 NO..... Kohli, Rahane, Rohit, Dhoni, Vijay, Pujara are all good to decent against short balls. Among retired batsmen Gavaskar, Kapil, Srikanth, Patil, Vishwanath, Amarnath, Shastri , Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman....were good to decent too. Kohli was awful till 2011.
express bowling Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 You don't get complete batsman at 20. Both Hoods and Iyer are worth investing. Exactly. SKY and Mayank Agarwal also need to be observed.
express bowling Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Kohli was awful till 2011. I won't say awful...but he was not up to the mark. The main thing is.... he has improved a lot and has been very good for the last 3 years or so.
jusarrived Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Kohli was awful till 2011. He wasnt , his technique was always suited for playing short ball . Same with Rohit and Rahane .
adi B Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Need to invest on guys like hooda,samson,kuldeep,aveshkhan,milind.decent bunch of players,pacers and hitting ARs just what your odi side needs
Guest noticethis Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Everyone in India is..... LOL. I always chuckle when someone, especially someone who's played cricket on an international level says that. No one, and I don't care who you are, no one likes fast short bowling. Here's an example of Small and Devon Malcolm working Haynes, Viv and the rest of the West Indies over with short stuff and you'll see that they end up not moving their feet to Gus Fraser and getting bowled. Does this mean that Haynes and Viv are bad players of short bowling? Nah, short fast ball on your nose is uncomfortable for everyone. pZs6WnGRcII And there are clips after clips about Ponting, Hayden and even Gilchrist the supposedly good players of short balls struggling and then getting out. Unfortunately, India has had very few fast bowlers who have been able to bowl at the nose over the years so when you see Indian batsmen struggle against short balls and then our bowlers not being able to do the same to the opposition makes one feel that India isn't as adapt to playing it when in reality its the bowlers who're not capable.
express bowling Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 LOL. I always chuckle when someone, especially someone who's played cricket on an international level says that. No one, and I don't care who you are, no one likes fast short bowling. Here's an example of Small and Devon Malcolm working Haynes, Viv and the rest of the West Indies over with short stuff and you'll see that they end up not moving their feet to Gus Fraser and getting bowled. Does this mean that Haynes and Viv are bad players of short bowling? Nah, short fast ball on your nose is uncomfortable for everyone. pZs6WnGRcII And there are clips after clips about Ponting, Hayden and even Gilchrist the supposedly good players of short balls struggling and then getting out. Unfortunately, India has had very few fast bowlers who have been able to bowl at the nose over the years so when you see Indian batsmen struggle against short balls and then our bowlers not being able to do the same to the opposition makes one feel that India isn't as adapt to playing it when in reality its the bowlers who're not capable. Exactly. Now that India has started using the fast short ball quite frequently...for the last 1 year or so ...the number of wickets we have got from short balls have been a revelation. Numerous batters have been hit on the body/ face too. Srinath* did this often in the 90s without any help from others. Just a couple of days back, Ishwar Pandey hit David Warner on the head. If he were an Indian, his technique against the short ball would have been questioned.
HippoSucks Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 And there are clips after clips about Ponting, Hayden and even Gilchrist the supposedly good players of short balls struggling and then getting out. Unfortunately, India has had very few fast bowlers who have been able to bowl at the nose over the years so when you see Indian batsmen struggle against short balls and then our bowlers not being able to do the same to the opposition makes one feel that India isn't as adapt to playing it when in reality its the bowlers who're not capable. There is a difference between occasionally struggling against short balls (e.g. Ponting) and always being weak against them. And not having bowlers who can use short balls to make the opposition's batsman struggle isn't a valid reason for our perception that Indian batsman are bad at short pitched deliveries. Just because our bowlers couldn't bowl short balls well doesn't make our batsman seemingly worse at playing them.
Guest noticethis Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 There is a difference between occasionally struggling against short balls (e.g. Ponting) and always being weak against them. And not having bowlers who can use short balls to make the opposition's batsman struggle isn't a valid reason for our perception that Indian batsman are bad at short pitched deliveries. Just because our bowlers couldn't bowl short balls well doesn't make our batsman seemingly worse at playing them. Ponting struggled against short balls from Srinath, Shoaib, Ishant, Kemar(that's 4 teams that he struggled against just from the top of my head) and many others. People tend to have selective memory when it comes to anyone that is not a batsman from the subcontinent. You seem to be in that camp. On Edit: Found Ponting hit in the face by Harmison...one I didnt mention earlier. And Akhtar and Yadav and Srinath. Sounds more than occassional no? wJ70wtD-fLA mIpu8TPTOuk 4xz2flHd5Wo I5iqhesy2Y8
Guest noticethis Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 Exactly. Now that India has started using the fast short ball quite frequently...for the last 1 year or so ...the number of wickets we have got from short balls have been a revelation. Numerous batters have been hit on the body/ face too. Srinath* did this often in the 90s without any help from others. Just a couple of days back, Ishwar Pandey hit David Warner on the head. If he were an Indian, his technique against the short ball would have been questioned. Exactly, whereas against Watson it was Wahab who bowled well and not the fact that he just like everyone else sucks against fast short balls at the throat.
HippoSucks Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 So just because someone gets hit by bouncers every now and then, that means they struggle against it? Also, from what I am getting by your posts, you think everyone struggles against short balls almost the same amount. Do you really think there aren't batsman who just naturally don't struggle that much relatively against short balls?
veer Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Deepak Hooda could very well be out mini maxwell kinda batter.. just saw couple of shots from him and he was playing unorthodox.. going back almost behind stumps and hitting it for six
Guest noticethis Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 So just because someone gets hit by bouncers every now and then' date=' that means they struggle against it? Also, from what I am getting by your posts, you think everyone struggles against short balls almost the same amount. Do you really think there aren't batsman who just naturally don't struggle that much relatively against short balls?[/quote'] Getting hit by short balls frequently would mean that you misjudge them, so wouldn't that mean that they're struggling against them? I don't think that everyone struggles against the short ball the same but I do think that a lot is made out of it when a subcontinental batsmen struggles. When in fact the perceived best players like Ponting, Viv and others have the same problem when they face someone fast and hostile. Example: Raina vs. Watson who is also a terrible player of the short ball. If he faces anyone who is mildly accurate with over 135kph in pace he will get hit or get out to them. But you rarely hear from the commentators about it whereas with Raina its almost as if his name is Suresh Rainastrugglesagainsttheshortball.
HippoSucks Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 Getting hit by short balls frequently would mean that you misjudge them, so wouldn't that mean that they're struggling against them? I don't think that everyone struggles against the short ball the same but I do think that a lot is made out of it when a subcontinental batsmen struggles. When in fact the perceived best players like Ponting, Viv and others have the same problem when they face someone fast and hostile. Example: Raina vs. Watson who is also a terrible player of the short ball. If he faces anyone who is mildly accurate with over 135kph in pace he will get hit or get out to them. But you rarely hear from the commentators about it whereas with Raina its almost as if his name is Suresh Rainastrugglesagainsttheshortball. There is a big difference between misjudging them occasionally and getting out to them frequently (or not being able to play them many times). Ponting is a good player of short pitched deliveries and that fact remains even if he has been his 20 times by short balls. Saying subcontinent batsman struggle against short balls is too general. Saying that the amount of subcontinent batsman that struggle against short balls is more on average than from other countries is perfectly valid. There is another difference between people who genuinely struggle against short balls and those who don't. Watson doesn't play them very well, but when Wahab is bowling brilliantly, that doesn't matter. In that case, it is pointless saying that Watson is struggling just because he has a tenancy to, and not because of Wahab's excellent bowling. However some players (e.g. Raina) struggle against the balls even if it is just mildly accurate and in the 130 km/h range.
rkt.india Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 He wasnt ' date=' his technique was always suited for playing short ball . Same with Rohit and Rahane .[/quote'] He was. He struggled against short ball in his debut test series. He got better as he worked on that aspect.
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