1990s all over again

[vijay50]

Tigers at home but slaughtered as lambs abroad even against Zimbabwe. I thought I saw a renaissance in 2000s but its repeating back.It was good while it lasted though. Sehwag, Gambhir, Yuvaraj and Harbhajan Singh were supposed to carry next generation of Indian test cricket.But due to Dhonis ego with Sehwag and poor form of other players ended this generation players career along with Tendulkar Dravid generation.I still think they could have carried 1-2 experienced players in this tour (Dhoni wont count). The young replacements like Rohit Sharma snd Pujara is not good enough.Pace bowling has always been rubbish from 1980s and is still the same today.But poor slip fielding and lack of spinner to take wickets is harming us more. Sorry folks, its going to be another 4-0 loss.I don't see this trend reversed anytime in near future until we find another Laxman and Dravid.Till then we can be happy by watching Dravids adelaide win. Maybe they are still good in their 40s and can make 30 runs each innings compared to Rohit and Pujara. Dhawan the cow lasher, the less said the better it is.This is what the IPL kings are capable of in test cricket.RIP Indian cricket.Amen.

[kubrickian]

Yada yada yada. Dont you people get tired of repeating the same stuff over and again ? Feel as if some bots post the same messages here repeatedly.

[bulbul]

Yada yada yada. Dont you people get tired of repeating the same stuff over and again ? Feel as if some bots post the same messages here repeatedly.

Agree... win on loss we get repetitive over the top threads :giggle:

[vvvslaxman]

Azhar did okay in England and NZ. Failed miserably in OZ/WI an SA (bar one test). This line up is slightly better overall. M Vijay is rapidly becoming one of the best overseas opener ever for India. Rahane is quality. Pujara will come along. Dhawan is a worry. This is nowhere close to 2000.. but slightly better than 1990.

[vijay50]

Rohit Sharma?

[vvvslaxman]

Rohit Sharma?

90s equivalent is Sanjay Manjrekar.. Scored so many runs in subcontinent conditions. Flopped outside.

[Gollum]

90s equivalent is Sanjay Manjrekar.. Scored so many runs in subcontinent conditions. Flopped outside.

Sanjay played some of the best knocks against Pakistan in the 89-90 series. The way he played Waqar probably no one in the cricketing world could do at that time. This good for nothing donkey r****g s**t eater( sorry South Park) Rohit Sharma can't put bat on ball even against semi decent bowling attacks in the longer format.

[vijay50]

Still these guys are unable to convert their 30s and 40s to 100s in the easiest of pitches in Australia and England. I'm unsure how long can the public have patience to put up with this nonsense performance abroad year after year in tests.

[Straight Drive]

At least opponents were afraid of big names like Sachin, Rahul , ZAK and VVS abroad. I don't think opponents rate these current players well even on paper.

[rkt.india]

At least opponents were afraid of big names like Sachin' date=' Rahul , ZAK and VVS abroad. I don't think opponents rate these current players well even on paper.[/quote'] They didnt make their reputations overnight. Did they?

[Gollum]

In 1990s we were devastating at home. Current crop the worst players against spin bowling in Indian cricketing history. Expect to see many more home series losses the coming decade.

[Straight Drive]

They didnt make their reputations overnight. Did they?

Fair point. But not everyone who is trying to build reputation becomes like one. I would be happy even if one of these 6 batters reach that reputation. Lest 3 of them.

[bharat297]

They didnt make their reputations overnight. Did they?

The biggest difference I see, and what worries me the most, is that in 1990s guys like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble had to make their reputation in international cricket. They would not have a career otherwise. Nowadays these guys can put up with these losses and then wait until April every year and collect a couple of million dollars and party away their troubles.

[rkt.india]

Fair point. But not everyone who is trying to build reputation becomes like one. I would be happy even if one of these 6 batters reach that reputation. Lest 3 of them.

Pujara, Vijay, Rahane, Kohli are mainstays and they need to be persisted, need to find 2 more. Not every batsman clicks in every match or every series but right now we have 4 good bats and if two of them fails that is a problem. If we have 6 good bats, even if 2 fails then we have 4 others who are scoring. Need to find 2 more good batsmen for overseas conditions, one opener and one #6.

[Straight Drive]

The biggest difference I see, and what worries me the most, is that in 1990s guys like Dravid, Sachin, Laxman, Ganguly, Kumble had to make their reputation in international cricket. They would not have a career otherwise. Nowadays these guys can put up with these losses and then wait until April every year and collect a couple of million dollars and party away their troubles.

I don't think these Pepsi Gen X players don't care about the test matches. I think they dive while fielding risking injuries and other risk examples like that. Also they take risk while batting and bowling ike previous greats. The difference is in quality rather than effort.

[Gollum]

These youngsters should also play some county cricket I feel, did wonders to the fab4.

[Straight Drive]

Pujara' date=' Vijay, Rahane, Kohli are mainstays and they need to be persisted, need to find 2 more. Not every batsman clicks in every match or every series but right now we have 4 good bats and if two of them fails that is a problem. If we have 6 good bats, even if 2 fails then we have 4 others who are scoring. Need to find 2 more good batsmen for overseas conditions, one opener and one #6.[/quote'] Good test players yes, but players with as much reputation overseas in adverse conditions, zilch.

[rkt.india]

Good test players yes' date=' [b']but players with as much reputation overseas in adverse conditions, zilch.

That comes overtime. This is only their first year of test cricket overseas and has been a difficult year because they had to face 4 overseas tour in a row, no respite. This has never happened before.

[bharat297]

I don't think these Pepsi Gen X players don't care about the test matches. I think they dive while fielding risking injuries and other risk examples like that. Also they take risk while batting and bowling ike previous greats. The difference is in quality rather than effort.

I somewhat disagree. Yes they care about the result when they are playing. I am not questioning their efforts on the field. I have no doubt that they are all trying their hearts out. What I question is whether or not they have a desire to out-work every other Test team in the world. The truth is, that is the only way they can become a dominant No.1 side. They have to be prepared to out-train the Aussies and the South Africans. I'm not so sure the Indians care enough to do that.

[Marut]

This side is better than the Sachin one man army of the 90s. Bowling lacks experience, our batting is currently better than the period before the arrival of Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman.