profster Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I am a long time active lurker and first time poster. Just to put give you some idea of my cricket following experience, my first memories are of the B&H World Series 1985 that we won beating Pakistan twice :-) And, the bragging rights I have is to have watched live on TV Sachin tonking Qadir for three consequetive sixes in Pakistan in his debut series. I think that India are onto something strategically innovative in this World Cup. Put together their batting in the first two games, Virat Kohli's revealing interview before the SA game (I think that he overshared), Dhoni's interviews since 2013 CL, the new fielding restrictions, two new balls, and ICC's action against chucking (aka full sleeved off-spinners throwing at ease) and here's a deduction: India's strategic plan is for batting acceleration between 20-35 (and 35-40 in the default batting powerplay if they don't lose wickets) and cruise control in the death overs. I think this is actually quite smart. All teams have detailed plans for the Powerplays and the death overs BUT NOT the middle overs. All teams will bowl their relatively weaker bowlers in the middle overs. India's batting strategy is to capitalize on the weakness in ODI cricket's conventional thinking and exploit it with strong spin bowling in their bowling department at the other end. This strategy seems to be symmetric in that it can be put to work when batting first or second. What do you think?
G_B_ Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 firstly welcome. Secondly, i guess the strategy changes as per (A) the opposition (freebies offered etc and type of bowler) (B) the conditions (going to get slower as the game progresses then you better blast up front) © the rules Batting powerplays taken from 35-40 means you have 15 overs at the end where you can charge. Re the strategy yeah I think you are spot on. sides do plan for the death a lot more than the middle overs. However more than strategy i feel its just a question of Indian batsman being really set in the middle overs to be able to milk the bowling and move the runrate from 4 to 5+ runs per over.
profster Posted February 23, 2015 Author Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks for the welcome! I fully agree that the tactics need to be flexible to the opposition, the conditions and the rules. Our upcoming games at the WACA should provide some indication of both their strategy and tactics. One thing though, if we win all the Group B games, even with an unfortunate QF exit, we will have only lost 4 games in the last 6 ICC tournaments. India somewhat like Germany in FIFA World Cups :-)
G_B_ Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Thanks for the welcome! I fully agree that the tactics need to be flexible to the opposition, the conditions and the rules. Our upcoming games at the WACA should provide some indication of both their strategy and tactics. One thing though, if we win all the Group B games, even with an unfortunate QF exit, we will have only lost 4 games in the last 6 ICC tournaments. India somewhat like Germany in FIFA World Cups :-) yes we have been on a great run
zen Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I think Ind's strategy has been to not lose wkts in the first 10-15 overs, and then depending upon the situation, they would accelerate. In the last 10 overs, Ind lost wkts so could not capitalize on the death overs as much as it would have liked The cautious start approach was probably taken looking at how the team did in the tri-series so it is good to know that the team is learning and trying to adjust as per the conditions and form of its players .... Once the form and confidence of some of the batsmen goes up, you may see a change in Ind's approach. However, I do prefer the cautious approach strategy since the bowling is supporting the batting well so there is less pressure to get those extra 20 runs :nice:
veer Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Right approach... But it may not work if we lose 2-3 wickets early in the game.
profster Posted February 23, 2015 Author Posted February 23, 2015 It looks like Brendon McCullum is the only captain on constant attack but that could very well be due to the pitches NZ played on and the match situations they found themselves in. It will be interesting to see how Clarke approaches the middle overs. Getting 100 runs in the first 20, 120 between 20-40 and 80 in the last ten is a good recipe for 300 on the Colosseums in Oz. For the bathtubs in NZ, the full frontal assault of Baz seems more suitable. Can't wait for the business end of the tournament!
Cricketics Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I think it will change according to the opposition bowlers also. We DEFINITELY go in with higher confidence when we are to play against Ireland or Zimbabwe, where they would just set a target that they really need to score. For tense games like Pak, Saf and quarters finals, semis or finals, or even teh game against Windies, you could see the team having a discussion and sticking to certain plan, with also keeping in mind the ground measurements. For example, in MCG, they would have though of knocking first 10 overs out without losing much. We lost Rohit, so strategy would hace changed and they would have asked Kohli to stick around till 35 and also let Dhawan play his own game(since that is when the best he plays), so that one guy is taking care of the run rate and we are not losing wicket on the other end to any of the South African premier bowlers like Morkel or Steyn. Things like planning to play most of 20-35 overs where South Africa lone spinner may be bowlin(Tahir) should be played most by Kohli etc. I am sure that was the plan
veer Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 For example, in MCG, they would have though of knocking first 10 overs out without losing much. We lost Rohit, so strategy would hace changed and they would have asked Kohli to stick around till 35 and also let Dhawan play his own game(since that is when the best he plays), so that one guy is taking care of the run rate and we are not losing wicket on the other end to any of the South African premier bowlers like Morkel or Steyn. Looking at Kohli's game lately, I think he has been assigned of anchor role for all high-profile games. He is playing more restrictive game.. more controlled. He made a mistake in SA game and he was pissed at that.. He is not playing freely as he used to.
Cricketics Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 Looking at Kohli's game lately' date=' I think he has been assigned of anchor role for all high-profile games. He is playing more restrictive game.. more controlled. He made a mistake in SA game and he was pissed at that.. He is not playing freely as he used to.[/quote'] It is very evident that. Just look at the whole strategy of him sending at no. 4 earlier in tri series and before. When Kohli didn't score much and media questioned him, Dhoni kept saying "It makes the middle order stronger." That suggest that Dhoni believes(I agree with him here) that the more overs Kohli play in the middle and if he is batting when the team is batting in 37th over or around there, it will help the team. But it is just great to see the performances of Raina and Rahane in first two games and it woiuld give so much more confidence to Dhoni that now team does not have to rely on Kohli. Every player in the top 7 can score runs and has scored runs recently.
satishg Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 To add on what tics has mentioned i think Rahane's innings yesterday will give Virat a lot of confidence to play a bit more attacking. He will now know that Jinx and Raina are really in good form and he need not be that cautious. India's middle order worries was the main reason Virat adopted a cautious approach, seeing how Rahane has performed against SA i am sure we will see a bit more attacking Kohli from now on.
profster Posted February 23, 2015 Author Posted February 23, 2015 Regarding Kohli, in some sense this is similar to how Sachin's role changed from a care-free lower middle order bat to an attacking opener to a sedate sheet anchor as the team evolved and times changed. I agree that we need to see what the rest of the group games throw up in terms of batting first or chasing and match situations. That said, God save the Associates from a peeved Rohit ;-) Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
flamy Posted February 23, 2015 Posted February 23, 2015 I don't think the conservative 40-50 is a strategy :)
profster Posted February 23, 2015 Author Posted February 23, 2015 What I meant by conservative was batting the full quota of 50 overs and getting around 80 runs. That doesn't mean they will not slog but ask one batsman to secure an end. As other posters have said, maybe it will be all mayhem mode against the weaker teams coming up. Sent from my SM-N910F using Tapatalk
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