Gollum Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 http://www.dawn.com/news/1175284/uae-minister-warns-pakistan-of-heavy-price-for-ambiguous-stand-on-yemen Things are getting very interesting here. After all the freebies the Gulf has given Pakistan for these many years, tremendous pressure on them to repay. Iran is a neighbouring Shia country and Pakistan definitely don't want to be messing with them.
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 reports they gonna send in the troops. Problem pakistan faces is that a Shia Iran will create all sorts of problems on their border with Balochistan There is a good reason they have stayed neutral
Invasion 550 Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 These dirty manipulators are putting more and more pressure on Pakistan. But too bad for them, Pakistan is not going to play into their hands and send its forces. They never came for Kashmir even when we blew Israeli planes in Arab War. We dont need to help them et all. The concept of ummah only exists when they need us.
Gollum Posted April 11, 2015 Author Posted April 11, 2015 These dirty manipulators are putting more and more pressure on Pakistan. But too bad for them' date=' Pakistan is not going to play into their hands and send its forces. They never came for Kashmir even when we blew Israeli planes in Arab War. We dont need to help them et all. The concept of ummah only exists when they need us.[/quote'] How are Iran-Pakistan relations in general? I guess Pakistan historically has been closer to the Gulf countries than Iran, seeing so many people of Pakistan origin live there. also does the Sunni-Shia divide tilt the favor towards Gulf. Is the Iran-Pakistan border volatile, in this part of the world sharing a border means trouble :winky:.
Malcolm Merlyn Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 reports they gonna send in the troops. Problem pakistan faces is that a Shia Iran will create all sorts of problems on their border with Balochistan There is a good reason they have stayed neutral Iran is getting better by the day.US and western nations are negotaiting and have agreed and will lift sanctions soon.Pakistan will be a fool to have enemies on 3 of its borders just to help the Arabs.
Sachin=GOD Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 UAE minister warns Pakistan of ‘heavy price for ambiguous stand’ on Yemen http://www.dawn.com/news/1175284/uae-minister-warns-pakistan-of-heavy-price-for-ambiguous-stand-on-yemen Lahore to Dammam flight prevented from landing in Saudi Arabia: reports http://www.dawn.com/news/1175291/lahore-to-dammam-flight-prevented-from-landing-in-saudi-arabia-reports Big brother is angry...
Kalia_Test Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 These dirty manipulators are putting more and more pressure on Pakistan. But too bad for them' date=' Pakistan is not going to play into their hands and send its forces. They never came for Kashmir even when [b']we blew Israeli planes in Arab War. We dont need to help them et all. The concept of ummah only exists when they need us. Yes. The pilot who did it is a brave Bangladeshi warrior :hatsoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiful_Azam
Invasion 550 Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Yes. The pilot who did it is a brave Bangladeshi warrior :hatsoff: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saiful_Azam Kalia, i know you are a kid and are obsessed about Pakistan. And it hurts my head everytime you post BS on the internet. Saif was a Pakistani in 1967 ffs. Bangladesh didnt even came into being at that time. He shot four Israeli planes down. Then PAF pilots Sattar Alvi and Arif Mansoor downded an Israeli F4 and then a Mirage IICJ later on. Pakistan volunteered 12 pilots and all their hits were direct hits without a single loss.
Invasion 550 Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 How are Iran-Pakistan relations in general? I guess Pakistan historically has been closer to the Gulf countries than Iran' date=' seeing so many people of Pakistan origin live there. also does the Sunni-Shia divide tilt the favor towards Gulf. Is the Iran-Pakistan border volatile, in this part of the world sharing a border means trouble :winky:.[/quote'] They are usually quite good if there is PPP government because of the Shia factor. However, you are right, Pakistan generally has been closer to the Gulf countries because both Nawaz and army side with the Saudi family. Another obstruction towards good relations with Iran is USA such as a recent Indo-Pak-Iran gas pipeline plan had to be shut off because of USA intervention. The border itself is not volatile and if i remember correctly, it is sealed at some parts to prevent smuggling and other criminal practises.
Invasion 550 Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Thanks for the info Invasion 550 No worries man. :icflove:
Vilander Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 you have to send in your troops to fight Shia proxies in Yemen. You have to do it, face Iran liken men. :cantstop: Neutrality is something that truly neutral nations achieve, like Indian people. You guys are sunni rightwing country behave like one.
Invasion 550 Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 you have to send in your troops to fight Shia proxies in Yemen. You have to do it' date=' face Iran liken men. :cantstop: Neutrality is something that truly neutral nations achieve, like Indian people. You guys are sunni rightwing country behave like one.[/quote'] Pakistan has a very sizeable Shia population with the leaders of its major party, PPP being shia as well.
Kalia_Test Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Kalia, i know you are a kid and are obsessed about Pakistan. And it hurts my head everytime you post BS on the internet. Saif was a Pakistani in 1967 ffs. Bangladesh didnt even came into being at that time. He shot four Israeli planes down. Then PAF pilots Sattar Alvi and Arif Mansoor downded an Israeli F4 and then a Mirage IICJ later on. Pakistan volunteered 12 pilots and all their hits were direct hits without a single loss. When there is no logic, attack the poster :giggle: Anyway, it is not about me. The pilot concerned himself preferred to be called Bangladeshi and joined Bangladesh Air Force. It is wrong to disrespect a soldier's sentiments. He was a Bangladeshi at heart and Bangladesh should be proud of her soldier :hatsoff: There were 2 parts prior to 1971 - West Pakistan and East Pakistan. The great soldier was part of East Pakistan. After split, the West Pakistan decided to call itself just Pakistan and East called itself Bangladesh. This great soldier was East Pakistani then and since 1971 is a Bangladeshi. Musharraf was born in Delhi. Yusuf Khan ( Dilip Kumar ) was born in the current Pakistan. They are all known by the countries they adopted and want to be known as loyal citizens of the country they adopted. There will be hundreds of more examples like this. Would you call Jinnah a Britisher or a Pakistani? He lived in free Pakistan only for an year or so? All his so-called accomplishments were before he became a Pakistani, isn't it?
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Iran is getting better by the day.US and western nations are negotaiting and have agreed and will lift sanctions soon.Pakistan will be a fool to have enemies on 3 of its borders just to help the Arabs. yup... for pakistan its a lose lose situation. Join this Gulf Arab organisation as you said Iran will cause havoc on their borders. Not to mention their Iran Pakistan gas pipeline dreams. Also the threat of a shia sunni conflict within Pakistan's borders. Shias are a sizeable minority within Pakstan. Dont join the coalition then all of a sudden the gulf states realise all this time and money invested in Pakistan to provide the muscle will be a waste. Money is better spent in other avenues. Its a precarious situation, Pakistan is heavily dependent on remittances and investment from KSA and the gulf nations. Its also dependent on Iranian oil. In all the circumstances i feel not joining any coalition is the best bet. They have publicly mentioned siding with KSA but diplomatically.
Kalia_Test Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 If we go by the logic of same country at time of achievement, Allama Iqbal was always Indian - he died way before partition hence there was no Pakistan at that time. There was only India. Wonder why Pakistan tries to base its ideology on Iqbal then :hmmm: Pakistan basing its ideology on an Indian?
G_B_ Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 India also need to take full advantage of this situation. Send emissaries to both Iran and KSA and negotiate for the cheapest rate of oil and gas. The Saudis are paranoid about being surrounded by Iran. If we manage to play our cards well we can some out with some seriously cheap oil. They wont mind making the loss on selling oil to India (or less of a profit) if we manage to give them an impression of siding with Iran.
Vilander Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 Pakistan has a very sizeable Shia population with the leaders of its major party' date=' PPP being shia as well.[/quote'] same as here 15% ? but if Pak does not send troops big daddy Saudi will be very pissed..what is the political mood in Pak on this ?
Kalia_Test Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 On topic, I don't envy Pak on this issue. Tough choice as they took billions of dollars from Saudi and it was not given as charity for sure. They want to extract value out of every dollar they gave. They might even stop giving free/ subsidized oil to Pakistan. The bigger blow might be if Saudi changes its policy regarding Pak immigrants in Saudi. I remember reading somewhere ( and will put it later when I find it ) that Pak economy is heavily dependent on remittances from its non-residents, a bulk of whom are in Arab nations. If Arab nations decide to be a little tough ( and they can be since there is no dearth of people from other nations that will happily work for the money ) on Pakistani citizens in their land, then it will be a mighty blow. Since US is a big ally of Saudi ( much more than Pak ), even they can do little.
Muloghonto Posted April 11, 2015 Posted April 11, 2015 How are Iran-Pakistan relations in general? I guess Pakistan historically has been closer to the Gulf countries than Iran' date=' seeing so many people of Pakistan origin live there. also does the Sunni-Shia divide tilt the favor towards Gulf. Is the Iran-Pakistan border volatile, in this part of the world sharing a border means trouble :winky:.[/quote'] Iran-Pakistan relations are not very cordial. Reasons: 1. Iran is far more Indo-centric than Pak-centric and they are the only Muslim League nation to've voted in favor of India consistently. 2. Iran is deeply suspicious of Pakistani army(which is massively superior to Iranian military) helping Baloch insurgents in Iran as Baloch are Sunni.
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