The Outsider Posted May 30, 2015 Author Posted May 30, 2015 All gains made in Kashmir over the past 15 years are in the process of being washed away: http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/militants-fire-rifle-grenades-towards-security-forces-camp-in-sopore-767117?site=full And obviously the Maoists continue their merry ways: http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/maoist-ied-blast-caf-constable-killed-two-others-injured/86879.html
The Outsider Posted May 30, 2015 Author Posted May 30, 2015 No mention of the Muslims? I thought they were slaughtered every day under this sarkar :hmmm: Yeah I guess I was wrong about the slaughtering bit. It's only that their homes are being burnt, but that's not the topic of this thread: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-homes-torched-150-muslims-seek-shelter-at-a-haryana-police-station/ http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-2000-men-unleashed-mayhem-fir/
The Outsider Posted May 30, 2015 Author Posted May 30, 2015 any links for this? Actually my guess was wrong. Agriculture grew at a stupendous 0.2% even with the inflated calculations being employed. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/economy/indicators/q4-gdp-growth-at-7-5-economy-grows-at-7-3-in-fy15/articleshow/47471403.cms
amiret Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Yeah I guess I was wrong about the slaughtering bit. It's only that their homes are being burnt, but that's not the topic of this thread: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-homes-torched-150-muslims-seek-shelter-at-a-haryana-police-station/ http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-2000-men-unleashed-mayhem-fir/ Perhaps i am wrong , but hasn't the electronic MSM mostly ignored the ballabgarh RIOTS ? " Two thousand people armed with swords, axes, spears, country-made pistols, petrol and gas cylinders had unleashed the attack. The violence lasted less than half an hour, but lives had been changed forever "
Gollum Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Yeah I guess I was wrong about the slaughtering bit. It's only that their homes are being burnt, but that's not the topic of this thread: http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-homes-torched-150-muslims-seek-shelter-at-a-haryana-police-station/ http://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/ballabhgarh-communal-tension-2000-men-unleashed-mayhem-fir/ No casualty so far. And why did they build the mosque in temple land first of all?
Tiger80 Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 Why Rahul is wrong about the Indian farmer ShareCommentTo get such articles in your inbox Text size: A A A April 23, 2015 14:28 IST Rahul Gandhi accuses the Modi government of being in thrall to corporate fat cats at the expense of farmers and other common folk. But the facts do not bear out this argument. Indian farmers are relatively better off compared to the really wretched of the earth, the unfortunate landless, often itinerant, labourer, says Rajeev Srinivasan. The fact that Rahul Gandhi, on reappearing after being AWOL for almost two months, made a speech in Parliament without obvious blunders has apparently electrified both the Congress party and the English language media. They had been waiting for Godot, and, lo! it seems he has come. The bar is set so low for Rahul that if he doesn't make a fool of himself, it is hailed as though it were the Second Coming of Jesus. That should not be surprising: The Nehru dynasty has that effect on people. The late Steve Jobs was rumoured to have a 'Reality-Distortion Field' that he carried around with him: Namely, that if you merely were in his vicinity, or listened to him speak, you had no choice but to believe in him, such was the strength of his charisma. Maybe Rahul has his own reality-distortion field that causes strong men (and presumably women) to go week in the knees. Although it seems odd to speak of Jobs and Rahul in the same paragraph, I grant it may be true. Those dimples, the brisk rolling-up of kurta sleeves, the purposeful lunge at the mike: Maybe all that is charisma. Be that as it may, the sound-byte that has remained from the Rahul speech is 'suited-booted,' a typical Hindi alliteration, which I take to mean 'snooty upper class.' Rahul accuses the Modi government of being in thrall to corporate fat cats (I just realised that it's also alliterative, and I offer it gratis) at the expense of farmers and other common folk. The facts do not bear out this argument, as Indian farmers are relatively better off compared to the really wretched of the earth, the unfortunate landless, often itinerant, labourer. There are three classes of people involved: The large farmer, the small farmer, and the landless labourer. I agree that the last are in really bad shape, as inflation has cut into their meagre earnings, and some of them are even in bonded, virtually slave, conditions. I am not sure in which class the poor farmer from Rajasthan was who committed suicide by hanging himself from a tree during an Aam Admi Party rally in Delhi on Wednesday, April 22, but he is a vivid symptom of the malaise: Suffering ordinary people, uncaring politicians who use them as cannon fodder. There is an interesting historical background to the landless, unskilled labourers. There is reason to believe that they are the descendants of prosperous artisans, weavers, and small craftsmen, skilled labour, from an era that ended in the 1770s. Then the British intentionally wiped out small industries, those that had made the Kaveri and Brahmaputra deltas the workshops of the world, along with the Pearl and Yangtze river deltas. Overnight they went from skilled labour to indigent. These people never recovered, and the independent Indian State has not done enough to rehabilitate them: Basic education and setting up industries which, with their greater productivity, would have got them decent wages, rather than in lower productivity agriculture. Since Rahul's ancestors are the ones who failed them, it is a little disingenuous of him to ignore them in his rhetorical flourishes. Incidentally, they too do vote. I say this with full appreciation of the farmer, as most countries go out of the way to support farmers: Food security is visceral. If I were a policy maker, I would plump for intensive agro-industry, with value-addition so that commodities like tomatoes can be turned into packaged foods like ketchup. The Indian farmer is already the #1 or #2 producer of fruits and vegetables in the world. India could, in fact, feed the world, if half its crop weren't eaten by pests and ruined by spoilage. But the necessary infrastructure -- neglected for 200 years -- is perhaps too much for us to afford at the moment, until there are factories absorbing under-employed agricultural labour and generating surpluses that can be invested in agro-industry. The people whom Rahul seems to mean are land-owning farmers. While farmers always complain about everything -- the weather, crop failure, minimum floor prices -- they are not quite so badly off. Those who own even relatively small pieces of land have seen its value go up as cities and towns expand. For example, I know from direct experience that in Thiruvananthapuram, the price of small parcels of land for housing is roughly the same as in the San Francisco Bay Area, one of the most pricey in the US. Many small land-holders have sold out, pocketed their earnings, and moved on. Most small farmers find that their children want to move to cities and join other professions. If they are given fair compensation (often better as an annuity rather than a lump sum they will blow up or mis-invest), and some opportunities for jobs in the industries that come in, they don't seem to mind. At least in Kerala, the reason small farmers (other than rich plantation owners) have quit farming is that it loses money. Governments (again Congress party governments, with the active support of the Communists) raised the minimum agricultural wage, admittedly with the best of intentions: so that labourers get a fair deal. They added insurance, sick pay, and other safety net items at public expense. So far so good. Unfortunately, in an example of the law of unintended consequences, all this raised the input costs so much that small farmers started losing money; so they promptly quit planting rice. The irony would be delicious, if it weren't so bleak: Kerala now imports 86 per cent of its rice, from being a major exporter a century ago; some of the best rice-growing land in the world either lies fallow or has been filled in and paved over for residential purposes; and the agricultural labourers have no jobs. The local labourer is now virtually extinct, along with varieties of valuable plant varieties/germ plasm and other traditional knowledge. Things may be different for farmers elsewhere in India, I accept. However, they too -- and especially the large farmers -- have benefited from generous financial and other support: No income taxes on agricultural income, free electricity, subsidised fertiliser, and high-yielding crop varieties as part of the Green Revolution (which may not be quite so unmixed a blessing as once believed, but then I digress). Witness the fact that half of India's white goods -- such as fridges, washing machines -- are now sold to rural consumers, who prospered when crop prices surged. Rural consumers must mean the big farmers, those whose tyranny is legendary: as in the film Ankur, set in rural Andhra. The only ones in my list that the Nehruvians have helped are big farmers. In fact, the alleged shenanigans of Robert Vadra in cornering large tracts of land would put him, if the allegations are true, squarely in the category of big farmers, fat cats. Small farmers have managed, only because land prices sky-rocketed. The migrant labour they have not helped at all. It is precisely those landless labourers who would benefit from industrial jobs if they materialised. From both utilitarian and deontological perspectives, it is their interests that need to be protected, thus factories should be welcomed. What would help small farmers are the very things the Nehruvian State declined to do: Setting up of cold-storage, grain silos, mandis where middlemen could be eliminated. India could also push back against the US farm bill 2014, which gives subsidies of some $20 billion a year for wheat, rice, corn, cotton and soy, and undercuts Indian farmers, leading to their suicides. None of this was done, and the whole push towards FDI in retail was with the fond hope that foreigners would actually do these things. That brings up the whole issue of infrastructure. There is an attempt to portray the Land Aquisition Bill as all about big factories, 'satanic mills' of yore. But there is also land needed for infrastructure. Roads, railways, ports, airports, SEZs etc, which everybody uses, need land. Again the experience in Kerala is instructive: When it came time to acquire land for Technopark (a large STPI/SEZ), there was not much resistance as the farmers saw that they benefit from the trickle-down effects of the IT park. It is hard to take at face value the moral indignation that Rahul exhibited. Granted, this time he didn't disgrace himself onstage as he usually does. That does not make him a 'general, leading from the front,' as one gushing journalist tweeted. Neither does it make his argument any better. His obstructionism isn't helping farmers, only preventing the eradication of poverty. Wait, isn't that garibi hatao, the very thing his family has been mouthing for decades? http://www.rediff.com/news/column/why-rahul-is-wrong-about-the-indian-farmer/20150423.htm No wonder you too are shedding tears for Big farmers
The Outsider Posted June 1, 2015 Author Posted June 1, 2015 Perhaps i am wrong , but hasn't the electronic MSM mostly ignored the ballabgarh RIOTS ? " Two thousand people armed with swords, axes, spears, country-made pistols, petrol and gas cylinders had unleashed the attack. The violence lasted less than half an hour, but lives had been changed forever " I don't follow the Indian TV all that much, but it's quite possible. They are hardly a benchmark of honest reporting.
The Outsider Posted June 1, 2015 Author Posted June 1, 2015 No casualty so far. And why did they build the mosque in temple land first of all? Yeah, I have been cheering the fact that only Muslim homes were burned and there were no casualties. The court has ordered the land to the Waqf board, so I don't know what you're talking about. And let's say some people were trying to build a mosque on temple land as you are erroneously claiming, the solution is to burn down homes of the entire community? Anyhow that's not the topic of this thread.
Khalpat Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Yeah, I have been cheering the fact that only Muslim homes were burned and there were no casualties. The court has ordered the land to the Waqf board, so I don't know what you're talking about. And let's say some people were trying to build a mosque on temple land as you are erroneously claiming, the solution is to burn down homes of the entire community? Anyhow that's not the topic of this thread. So what is the topic for this thread except rhetoric against 1 year old government about which even a primary school going student can understand that it is not anyway responsible for the unfortunate suicide of farmers.
Gollum Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Yeah, I have been cheering the fact that only Muslim homes were burned and there were no casualties. The court has ordered the land to the Waqf board, so I don't know what you're talking about. And let's say some people were trying to build a mosque on temple land as you are erroneously claiming, the solution is to burn down homes of the entire community? Anyhow that's not the topic of this thread. I meant thank God no casualties, a few deaths here or there could have started a Muzzafarnagar part 2. I didn't know about the Waqf board thing, on social media they were indicating that it was temple land. Who is right, who is wrong I don't know but if temple land has been encroached upon it is hardly a first in India. Such things tend to be very fickle in nature, mob violence needs to be reined in, irrespective of the affiliations of the mob. But not the topic of this thread.
Gollum Posted June 3, 2015 Posted June 3, 2015 Capt Saurabh Kalia case: Govt says will change affidavit in Supreme Court Very sad development if true. Please honor our martyrs Modi and co, prove that you are different from the spineless UPA. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Capt-Saurabh-Kalia-case-Govt-says-will-change-affidavit-in-Supreme-Court/articleshow/47503174.cms
mishra Posted June 4, 2015 Posted June 4, 2015 ^ For once we forget media coverage on Kashmir due to the case, Consider a scenario if Pakistani lawyer manages to argue that video on Youtube cant be admissible as evidence against Pakistani Army, Do you think anyone can gather any evidence against Pakistani army when it comes to brutality over a captured Indian soldiers? There is absolutely no chance Pakistani Army getting inciminated unless Pakisn has a agency which can pursue the case seriously. And you can see from the video, instead of feeling any remorse or guilt, Pakistani top management were enjoying the narration of brutality meted to Capt Kalia and his fellow captives
The Outsider Posted June 4, 2015 Author Posted June 4, 2015 http://m.ndtv.com/india-news/army-convoy-ambushed-in-manipurs-chandel-10-dead-12-injured-768668 New Delhi: 18 armymen were killed and at least 11 injured when militants ambushed their convoy in Manipur's Chandel district on Thursday morning, in what is being described as the worst casualties the Army has suffered since the Kargil War of 1999. The government has asked the army to launch counter-terror operations to trace and eliminate the militants involved in the attack; the Indo-Myanmar border in Manipur has also been closed to stop the militants from fleeing to the neighbouring country, sources said after a meeting between Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar and Home Minister Rajnath Singh. Also at the meeting were Army chief Dalbir Singh and National Security Advisor Ajit Doval. The Home Minister ordered that no militant involved in the attack should be allowed to go scot free and strongest possible action should be taken against all those involved in the ambush, sources said. Central security agencies have said they suspect a mixed group of militants from the Naga group NSCN(K) and the United National Liberation Front of Manipur, or UNLF, is behind the attack. Prime Minister Narendra Modi tweeted, "Today's mindless attack in Manipur is very distressing. I bow to each and every soldier who has sacrificed his life for the Nation." The soldiers belonged to the 6 Dogra infantry regiment, being de-inducted from the Moltuk valley. The convoy was ambushed between Paralong and Charong villages, about 118 km from state capital Imphal, where the soldiers were headed, at around 8.30 am, the police said. About 50 militants attacked the Army convoy, using Rocket Propelled Grenade or RPG launchers and other firearms. They also used and improvised explosive device or IED, sources told NDTV. After the gunfire, the militants also used khukris to attack the Armymen and set vehicles on fire. The tailboard of the lead vehicle was closed and so the soldiers could not come out, the sources said. A quick reaction team of commandos accompanying the convoy was also ambushed. The jawans injured were airlifted by the Army for treatment at base hospital in Guwahati and Jorhat in Assam. As the army launched combing operations, questions are being asked on why no road opening party was sent out prior to the convoy moving. Also, there are no clear answers on why the soldiers did not fight back. This is in addition to crippling telecommunication in J&K and Sikh deaths in Jammu over the past few days.
Desi Cartman Posted June 5, 2015 Posted June 5, 2015 I'm sure The Outsider will appreciate this "The country was waiting for a messiah for the past 1,000 years and he has come in the form of Narendra Modi. He is not an ordinary PM," said Bharti.
The Outsider Posted June 5, 2015 Author Posted June 5, 2015 I'm sure The Outsider will appreciate this "The country was waiting for a messiah for the past 1,000 years and he has come in the form of Narendra Modi. He is not an ordinary PM," said Bharti. Sounds about right. Messiah Ghazni graced India with his presence almost exactly 1000 years back.
Gollum Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 :(( Names of the martyrs of Manipur ambush. we salute you heroes. :isalute: GOI must avenge these losses, no mercy on the scum terrorists.
Gollum Posted June 7, 2015 Posted June 7, 2015 Infiltration Bid Foiled, 3 Terrorists Killed in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara District Brilliant from our Army. Take no prisoners, only trophies. :yay: http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/army-foils-infiltration-attempt-in-baramulla-in-jammu-and-kashmir-2-terrorist-killed-769210
diga Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Manu Pubby @manupubby 17m17 minutes ago Now confirmed: Indian special forces carry out cross border operation into Myanmar. Several militants who carried out Manipur attack killed. great news if true...
diga Posted June 9, 2015 Posted June 9, 2015 Shiv AroorVerified account @ShivAroor Indian Special Forces unit involved in blistering strike in Myanmar. Militants didn't know what hit them. Army press conference at 6pm. Army is making it public
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