Difference Between Kaptaan Kool and Kohli

[Adi_91]

The good times we had initially was not because of Dhoni but despite him, Zak being in his prime n captaining n guiding the bowlers n setting fields, The fab four taking upon themselves to win games for India because they were the greats who played together at same time until Dhoni slyly dismantled them, Dhoni more of a politician then a cricketers after his initial years, his home was CSK n India cements n his father Srini. He seemed to not care or even try to learn or improve in test, India had very good replacements batting wise n also he chose not to build n attack or guide the side,Dhoni n his fans R defeatist clutching at straws, any can see the great upheaval after his retiring, n results R to see

To be honest, he did not want one of the Fab 4 to continue in ODIs. He made comments like agility in the field to point that out in the 2012 CB series. Having said that Dravid and Laxman retired abruptly after that series which saddens me.

[jf1gp_1]

The good times we had initially was not because of Dhoni but despite him' date= Zak being in his prime n captaining n guiding the bowlers n setting fields, The fab four taking upon themselves to win games for India because they were the greats who played together at same time until Dhoni slyly dismantled them, Dhoni more of a politician then a cricketers after his initial years, his home was CSK n India cements n his father Srini. He seemed to not care or even try to learn or improve in test, India had very good replacements batting wise n also he chose not to build n attack or guide the side,Dhoni n his fans R defeatist clutching at straws, any can see the great upheaval after his retiring, n results R to see

So when we won under dhoni it was because of team, when we lost it was because of him ? Also Dhoni dismantled our batting line up (fab four as you wrote) to put it milding is reaching for it. Sourov was on the verge of retirement when he took over, Sachin Dravid played well past expiry. VVS yes could have played for 6 months to a year more. Sehwag ever since he tried those glasses was done. Yes as a captain has to take responsibility for losses but we as a team were struggling.

[Gambit]

At least Kohli is serious about test cricket unlike Dhoni who skipped the 2008 Lanka series to watch Netflix and chill with Sakshi. Anyway the bar for performances under Dhoni since 2011 was set so low that anyone will seem a better captain now.

[jf1gp_1]

At least Kohli is serious about test cricket unlike Dhoni who skipped the 2008 Lanka series to watch Netflix and chill with Sakshi. Anyway the bar for performances under Dhoni since 2011 was set so low that anyone will seem a better captain now.

Stop being petty. Same guy missed his child birth for the team. Let's not question his commitment.

[Marut]

The good times we had initially was not because of Dhoni but despite him, Zak being in his prime n captaining n guiding the bowlers n setting fields, The fab four taking upon themselves to win games for India because they were the greats who played together at same time until Dhoni slyly dismantled them, Dhoni more of a politician then a cricketers after his initial years, his home was CSK n India cements n his father Srini. He seemed to not care or even try to learn or improve in test, India had very good replacements batting wise n also he chose not to build n attack or guide the side,Dhoni n his fans R defeatist clutching at straws, any can see the great upheaval after his retiring, n results R to see

You can't have the cake and eat it too. If Dhoni was responsible for the defeats, then he must be responsible for the wins too. If he is not responsible for the wins, then he is not responsible for the defeats too. In general, a captain is only as good as the team is. In ODIs, some captains have managed to punch above their weights, but this happens very rarely in test matches. The better team almost always wins test matches - captaincy plays only a small role in test wins or defeats. In test matches, it goes without saying that teams with better bowlers almost always win matches, which is why India is formidable at home because our bowlers are world class in these conditions. India was almost always a rubbish test team before the 2000s (except in patches), we have amongst the worst W/L record among major test playing nations - no former captain could change this because this is impossible for a captain. In the early 2000s we were fortuitous enough to have an immensely talented batting unit and this coincided with the rise of India's bowling prowess, which enabled us to win matches abroad. By the end of the decade, the great team was starting to disintegrate and we started slipping into the 90s level again, when we won a single test match abroad. India was generally a #6,#7 ranked team throughout its history, the 2000s were a rare exception not exactly because of captaincy but because we had a really good team. Dhoni or any other captain cannot set the record straight again without reacquiring a formidable team again. If that does not happen soon, I foresee a lot of Kohli bashing on this form 2-3 years down the line.

[BeautifulGame]

Stop being petty. Same guy missed his child birth for the team. Let's not question his commitment.

That was not for childbirth it was in 2008 .He was too tired and wanted to skip the tests in Lanka so that he can play the ODIs .He was only the ODI skipper back then not for tests

[BeautifulGame]

At least Kohli is serious about test cricket unlike Dhoni who skipped the 2008 Lanka series to watch Netflix and chill with Sakshi. Anyway the bar for performances under Dhoni since 2011 was set so low that anyone will seem a better captain now.

Well after resting and coming back atleast he won us that ODI series not buckling like a bunch of noobs like team did in the tests .

[jf1gp_1]

That was not for childbirth it was in 2008 .He was too tired and wanted to skip the tests in Lanka so that he can play the ODIs .He was only the ODI skipper back then not for tests

the point i was trying to make was if he missed one series then he has also missed a huge personal event for the team. It all evens out. Kohli also didnt want to goto BD few months back, fearing backlash reluctant Kohli and few others dragged themselves to BD and we all know what happened.

[CG]

the point i was trying to make was if he missed one series then he has also missed a huge personal event for the team. It all evens out. Kohli also didnt want to goto BD few months back, fearing backlash reluctant Kohli and few others dragged themselves to BD and we all know what happened.

I think the point was test was never the top priority for dhoni and he had made it clear through some of his comments and actons.

[Sidhoni]

Kaptaan Kool captained in 60 tests, Kohli has captained in 6.

[Anitha]

So when we won under dhoni it was because of team, when we lost it was because of him ? Also Dhoni dismantled our batting line up (fab four as you wrote) to put it milding is reaching for it. Sourov was on the verge of retirement when he took over, Sachin Dravid played well past expiry. VVS yes could have played for 6 months to a year more. Sehwag ever since he tried those glasses was done. Yes as a captain has to take responsibility for losses but we as a team were struggling.

He took our bowling which was upcoming and helping us win matches overseas and put it into the worst place in the history. He can never be forgiven for what he did to our bowling. His defensiveness killed our bowling which was just starting an upturn.

[zep1706]

Dhoni has his flaws but this blind hate is what i don't understand. The first 5 overseas test series which Dhoni lead were to NZ,BD,SL,SA and WI. We won the test series in NZ,BD and WI and drew SL and SA. Yes post that it was a disaster overseas however barring that england series we were fine under him at home winning almost 70% test. What makes him look bad are those 2 series in england and australia.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having an opinion does not make you a hater. I don't hate Dhoni and I think he was a remarkable limited over player and a very good one day captain. But I have no doubts in my mind about how I feel about his test captaincy. IMO he is the worst test captain I have ever seen. I am not even talking about the results. As an avid follower of test cricket his disrespect toward the basics of the game and his funky style of captaincy often made me cringe. Test cricket is all about doing the conventional things right over a period of time, Dhoni was exactly the opposite of that. He treated test cricket like an extended T20. His approach towards test captaincy can be summed up with the following pictures -- Idiotic, senseless and ineffective.

[mishra]

He took our bowling which was upcoming and helping us win matches overseas and put it into the worst place in the history. He can never be forgiven for what he did to our bowling. His defensiveness killed our bowling which was just starting an upturn.

I think he just didnt understood one basic thing. Its 20 wickets that win you a test match. Irfan, RP, Sree- they alll were very handy in overseas condition. He dropped them all for odi specialist like PK,BK. Chose Jaddu as second spinner over likes of Ojha Mishra. Unceremoniously got rid of Gambhir Sehwag and Laxman. I get the feeling that Dravid chickened out before being dishonored by MSD. Now Sehwag was correct, But others still had couple of series left in them. Enough said.

[Stuge]

The real difference is "NI" and LI .. Aur kuch maat poochana ;)

[Marut]

I think he just didnt understood one basic thing. Its 20 wickets that win you a test match. Irfan, RP, Sree- they alll were very handy in overseas condition. He dropped them all for odi specialist like PK,BK. Chose Jaddu as second spinner over likes of Ojha Mishra. Unceremoniously got rid of Gambhir Sehwag and Laxman. I get the feeling that Dravid chickened out before being dishonored by MSD. Now Sehwag was correct, But others still had couple of series left in them. Enough said.

Both Sreesanth and RP have 35+ overseas averages. Both of them had one or two great spells in all. Both of them were very expensive bowlers as well, conceding nearly 4rpo in test matches. PK was our best bowler in England. Jadeja actually delivered more at home compared to Mishra and Ojha. It was a good idea to get rid of Sehwag, Gambhir (who was always poking outside the off), Laxman and Dravid. Gambhir and Sehwag enjoyed a long rope before getting discarded - they had become very useless overseas, and their partnership averaged 13 away from India since 2010, yet they were unashamedly claiming that they were the best openers in the country in 2012.

[mishra]

^ Having ability to bowl bouncers and hit the helmet brings a lot of sanity during game.On overseas trips far too many times, even overseas bowler openly taunted our players which was only because our battery had likes of PK and BK. I am not against chopping of the pacers. But chopping against who, is the question? If he would have got couple of miles faster pacer at each chop, the pace culture wouldn't have changed. He changed the mood and culture of our test team bowlers. As far as batsmen are concerned, The poor performance is more down our pathetic bowlers. With pathetic pacers you are bound to get a green top in England where Kumars if not useless will be playable but likes of Barbie will be unplayable.

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Who can forget Dhoni getting back RP Singh in the team in the middle of English tour when RP was in honeymoon trip to USA , looking very fat..

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Anyone forgot dhoni's batting in England ? Everyone was laughing at him...

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Lets not forget Dhoni picking Vinay Kumar for Perth test match..

[Shivaji bhonsle]

Lets not forget the test series we lost in India against England... We couldn't have gone any worse than that...