maniac Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 The team of the working class...for the people by the people no fancy owners...down to earth honest and humble players shows ws that money and riches get you only so far but if you have the right conscience and make it even to semis that's as good as winning the cup. no one remembers Apollo....every one loves rocky tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 The team of the working class...for the people by the people no fancy owners...down to earth honest and humble players shows ws that money and riches get you only so far but if you have the right conscience and make it even to semis that's as good as winning the cup. no one remembers Apollo....every one loves rocky Yes, not seen a more down to Earth and humble owners like Marans... tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted May 23, 2016 Share Posted May 23, 2016 Stop calling him that name viper.It is disrespectful to him and to polio victims. Besides,this could be an old photo. He is still playing his first IPL. Sure they don't get paid on a daily match basis. Besides ,how does it matter to anyone how he spends his money. maniac, sourab10forever and asterix 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourab10forever Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 15 hours ago, radhika said: Stop calling him that name viper.It is disrespectful to him and to polio victims. Besides,this could be an old photo. He is still playing his first IPL. Sure they don't get paid on a daily match basis. Besides ,how does it matter to anyone how he spends his money. Bang on target ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 So the no 2 team gets 2 shots to qualify while the number 3 team which crushed the no 2 team in the league phase gets eliminated after 1 game....wow who makes these dumb rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 4 hours ago, maniac said: So the no 2 team gets 2 shots to qualify while the number 3 team which crushed the no 2 team in the league phase gets eliminated after 1 game....wow who makes these dumb rules? beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 4 hours ago, maniac said: So the no 2 team gets 2 shots to qualify while the number 3 team which crushed the no 2 team in the league phase gets eliminated after 1 game....wow who makes these dumb rules? You're totally losing it man. By the way, these were the results during the league phase .. RCB defeated SRH by 45 runs. SRH defeated RCB by 15 runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 1 minute ago, philcric said: You're totally losing it man. By the way, these were the results during the league phase .. RCB defeated SRH by 45 runs. SRH defeated RCB by 15 runs. That doesn't give the whole picture RCB defeated SRH in chinnasamy also RCB had some rain reduced games and some flat pitches and small grounds to up their nrr cricket shouldn't be so cut and dry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 Tell me this are kohlis 100s in Chinna more valuable or warner's innings for srh ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Tell me this are kohlis 100s in Chinna more valuable or warner's innings for srh ? Obviously Warner's innings, seeing as he is the only one scoring those valuable runs at a T20 strike rate RCB has 3 batters who have more than 350 runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 Just now, flamy said: Obviously Warner's innings, seeing as he is the only one scoring those valuable runs at a T20 strike rate RCB has 3 batters who have more than 350 runs 350 runs each and still limped it's way to qualifications must have been one of those ek lo ek muft schemes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, maniac said: 350 runs each and still limped it's way to qualifications must have been one of those ek lo ek muft schemes Best NRR in the tournament is limping Winning 5 games on trot is limping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 3 minutes ago, flamy said: Best NRR in the tournament is limping Winning 5 games on trot is limping 5 games on a trot didn't involve bat or ball.....it involved pen and paper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 45 minutes ago, maniac said: That doesn't give the whole picture RCB defeated SRH in chinnasamy also RCB had some rain reduced games and some flat pitches and small grounds to up their nrr cricket shouldn't be so cut and dry Weak. You said No.3 team (SRH) crushed No.2 team (RCB) without checking the facts. I showed you the stats (facts). It was obvious who crushed who. Any ground (Chinnaswamy or others) is same for both the teams for a particular match. How does rain reduced games help to up the NRR? And flat pitches and small grounds? You do understand how NRR works, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 15 minutes ago, philcric said: Weak. You said No.3 team (SRH) crushed No.2 team (RCB) without checking the facts. I showed you the stats (facts). It was obvious who crushed who. Any ground (Chinnaswamy or others) is same for both the teams for a particular match. How does rain reduced games help to up the NRR? And flat pitches and small grounds? You do understand how NRR works, don't you? Let us say RCB is chasing a target of 90 in 15 overs that is an against rr of 6 and it is easier to knock out the runs in 10 overs to boost your nrr from what I am aware it is 9-6 so that is 3.00 Srh on the other hand famously defends defends or chases 130 in 20 overs kind of scores so their nrr is bound to take a hit even though their scenario is more challenging. also scoring 230 runs on flat pitches....is this a joke??? Lol In terms of points or 1-1 in groups nothing seperates these teams...so personally I feel it is unfair and a dumb rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 11 minutes ago, maniac said: Let us say RCB is chasing a target of 90 in 15 overs that is an against rr of 6 and it is easier to knock out the runs in 10 overs to boost your nrr from what I am aware it is 9-6 so that is 3.00 Srh on the other hand famously defends defends or chases 130 in 20 overs kind of scores so their nrr is bound to take a hit even though their scenario is more challenging. also scoring 230 runs on flat pitches....is this a joke??? Lol In terms of points or 1-1 in groups nothing seperates these teams...so personally I feel it is unfair and a dumb rule Dude, are you serious? 90 in 15 overs? In real world? Do you think things through while making a point? So, the opposition scores 90 runs in 15 overs and you assume RCB would score that in 10 overs. Anyway if that was the scenario, it implies one team has played awful and the other team played really well, and the run rate difference between the teams for that match will be high. You can extrapolate the numbers to 20 overs instead of 15, and the run rate differential will be the same. Something like one team scoring 110 in 20 overs, and the other overhauling it in 13 overs. Reduced overs make no difference in the overall NRRs. By the way, how many reduced over games did RCB play in this IPL ? "also scoring 230 runs on flat pitches....is this a joke???" Same pitch, same ground for both the teams. If one team can score many, the other team can also score that many. Some pitches are tough to bat, some are tough to bowl, either way it's the same for both the teams. It's not like one team is batting in Mohali and other is batting in Mumbai in the same game. "In terms of points or 1-1 in groups nothing seperates these teams...so personally I feel it is unfair and a dumb rule" Yes, there's not a lot of difference between RCB and SRH in the league phase in terms of points. That's why they are #2 and #3, and not #2 and #6. By the way, RCB has almost +0.7 NRR over SRH, which means over 14 games RCB has around 200 more runs up on their opponents compared to SRH, which is a huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 ^ Also NRR is difference between a team's batting run rate and it's own bowling economy rate. It's not the difference between a team's batting run rate and other teams' batting run rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, philcric said: Dude, are you serious? 90 in 15 overs? In real world? Do you think things through while making a point? So, the opposition scores 90 runs in 15 overs and you assume RCB would score that in 10 overs. Anyway if that was the scenario, it implies one team has played awful and the other team played really well, and the run rate difference between the teams for that match will be high. You can extrapolate the numbers to 20 overs instead of 15, and the run rate differential will be the same. Something like one team scoring 110 in 20 overs, and the other overhauling it in 13 overs. Reduced overs make no difference in the overall NRRs. By the way, how many reduced over games did RCB play in this IPL ? "also scoring 230 runs on flat pitches....is this a joke???" Same pitch, same ground for both the teams. If one team can score many, the other team can also score that many. Some pitches are tough to bat, some are tough to bowl, either way it's the same for both the teams. It's not like one team is batting in Mohali and other is batting in Mumbai in the same game. "In terms of points or 1-1 in groups nothing seperates these teams...so personally I feel it is unfair and a dumb rule" Yes, there's not a lot of difference between RCB and SRH in the league phase in terms of points. That's why they are #2 and #3, and not #2 and #6. By the way, RCB has almost +0.7 NRR over SRH, which means over 14 games RCB has around 200 more runs up on their opponents compared to SRH, which is a huge difference. RCB plays 7 games minimum on a stadium that is the benchmark for a flat pitch + mini ground. SRH and other teams get only 1 shot at batting heaven. how is that fair or equal opportunity? So by that account no one should make excuses of green tops/dust bowls when they tour overseas stating that the pitch was same for everyone.... Doesn't work that way, does it? as far as rain affected games impacting nrr, let's take a hypothetical scrnario team a bats 1st and gets a par t20 score of 160, team b chases it down say in the 18th over (going under normal circustmances) will the nrr be same when say in a 10 over match the team wins it 2 overs before say for a 10 over par score of a 100? determing by just nrr is plain dumb in my opinion...if it was only just plain straightforward semis where the teams get 1 shot that would have still made sense but 1 team getting 2 shots is plain ridiculous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philcric Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) 36 minutes ago, maniac said: RCB plays 7 games minimum on a stadium that is the benchmark for a flat pitch + mini ground. SRH and other teams get only 1 shot at batting heaven. how is that fair or equal opportunity? So by that account no one should make excuses of green tops/dust bowls when they tour overseas stating that the pitch was same for everyone.... Doesn't work that way, does it? as far as rain affected games impacting nrr, let's take a hypothetical scrnario team a bats 1st and gets a par t20 score of 160, team b chases it down say in the 18th over (going under normal circustmances) will the nrr be same when say in a 10 over match the team wins it 2 overs before say for a 10 over par score of a 100? determing by just nrr is plain dumb in my opinion...if it was only just plain straightforward semis where the teams get 1 shot that would have still made sense but 1 team getting 2 shots is plain ridiculous It's 3 AM and I have to hit the bed, I'll try to answer it in brief ... "RCB plays 7 games minimum on a stadium that is the benchmark for a flat pitch + mini ground. SRH and other teams get only 1 shot at batting heaven." Doesn't really matter. It's not the run rates of respective teams, it's the winning margin. 190 plays 180 is same as 160 plays 150. "So by that account no one should make excuses of green tops/dust bowls when they tour overseas stating that the pitch was same for everyone.... Doesn't work that way, does it?" Absolutely. It's fair play. The pitch is the same for both the teams. "as far as rain affected games impacting nrr, let's take a hypothetical scrnario. team a bats 1st and gets a par t20 score of 160, team b chases it down say in the 18th over (going under normal circustmances). will the nrr be same when say in a 10 over match the team wins it 2 overs before say for a 10 over par score of a 100?" This is where you are getting it wrong. If winning with 2 overs to spare can be considered par or normal for a 20 over game, it won't be the same for 10 over game, it will be closer to 1 over. And yes the NRRs will be almost the same in both the cases. Compare T20s to ODIs. How many ODIs have last over finishes or 10 run margin wins compared to T20s? The lesser the no. of overs, the closer the margins are. You still haven't answered my question .... how many total rain affected games in this IPL and how many for RCB? "determing by just nrr is plain dumb in my opinion...if it was only just plain straightforward semis where the teams get 1 shot that would have still made sense but 1 team getting 2 shots is plain ridiculous" There has to be a system to determine the rankings in the table when 2 or more teams have same points. Head to head results is not an option for IPL kind of tournament because many a times it'll be 1-1, and what if 3 or 4 teams end up with same no of points, it's messy. NRR is a convenient way. And the rules are same for all the teams. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes not. What is your solution to this year's IPL table rankings? Who plays who in the playoffs? Enlighten us. Edited May 24, 2016 by philcric flamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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