Pak VS India in terms of pace bowling

[RAZPOR]

Just now, Shaz1 said:

I got a crystal ball what can I say? ;)

 

You know this is actually the first time I am hearing any of this about Indian bowling. You must have been looking deeply at this attack. From the time I have seen of Indian cricket it is only now I am seeing genuine quick bowlers from your country. Now it is one thing to bowl quick than another to maintain that quickness for a longer period of time. You had great bowlers like Irfan Pathan coming through. Never did they last long enough to mentain that form to be considered a threat. 

 

Indian bowling in general does not excite me as much as others I have seen. I guess thats the same with you on our batting? There seems to be something missing there.

do you watch ranji trophy?? how do you know the health of indian stocks based on your crystal ball ?, we have 10-15  bowlers bowling at 140 +

Md siraj 

S kaul

Sangwan

nathu singh

Thampi

warrier

saini

khejroliya

Aaron

aniket 

ankit rajpoot

shardul thakur

Names on top of my head right now..

And this sea change has happened over last 2 or 3 years,everyone wants to bowl fast now.Slowly we are getting rid of the old sticks of vinay kumars and dinda from ipls and domestics,hopefully last of their breed.

Edited July 2, 2017 by RAZPOR

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, Shaz1 said:

 

 can you explain to me about your upcoming bowling talent?

Atleast 10 good pacers are on the horizon

 

Siraj -- Bowls 132 k to 145 k, has a good indipper both swing and seam, skiddy pacer who gets lots of bowled and lbws, has a good bouncer, has taken 42 wickets in 10 FC matches last season, developing yorkers and slower balls, can be an all-format bowler

 

Nathu -- Bowls 135 k to 145 k, can swing both ways and seam it too, accurate bowler, has an excellent quick yorker, decent bouncer, more of a 50 over and 20 over bowler now.

 

Thampi -- Bowls 133 k to 145 k, has a slingshot-type action, very skiddy, great yorker, good bouncer, bowls inswingers, was adjudged best emerging talent this IPL, more of a 50 over and 20 over specialist now.

 

Aniket -- 6'5" tall left armer, bowls 130 k to 144 k, can swing the ball, bowls a heavy ball and gets bounce, has a great bouncer which he uses often, can swing the ball, more of a test prospect

 

Shardul -- Bowls 130 k to 145 k, short bowler, can swing it both ways and reverse it too, good bouncer, good FC record

 

Avesh -- 6'4" hit the deck quick, only 20 years old, bowls 132 k to 142 k, gets steep bounce, hurries batsmen all the time as he bowls a heavy ball, gets seam movement, performed superbly in the U19 WC.

 

Khejroliya - Left arm genuine fast bowler, just starting his career, had a great 50 over domestic tournament where he picked up 18 wickets in 7 matches, has a hostile bouncer

 

Saini -- Fast medium swing and seam bowler, gets good bounce, good FC record, has potential in tests

 

Rajpoot -- Very tall pacer, bowls 130 k to 147 k, inconsistent in terms of speeds, gets bounce, gets swing, good FC record

 

Nagarkotti - 17 year old, very skiddy and pacy, short bowler, had a good 50 over domestic tournament on debut, bats well and has potential as an all-rounder

 

 

 

 

Edited July 2, 2017 by express bowling

[RAZPOR]

Just now, express bowling said:

10 good pacers are on the horizon

 

Siraj -- Bowls 132 k to 145 k, has a good indippers both swing and seam, skiddy pacer who gets lots of bowled and lbws, has a good bouncer, has taken 42 wickets in 10 FC matches last season, developing yorkers and slower balls, can be an all-format bowler

 

Nathu -- Bowls 135 k to 145 k, can swing both ways and seam it too, accurate bowler, has an excellent quick yorker, decent bouncer, more of a 50 over and 20 over bowler now.

 

Thampi -- Bowls 133 k to 145 k, has a slingshot-type action, very skiddy, great yorker, good bouncer, bowls inswingers, was adjusted best emerging talent this IPL, more of a 50 over and 20 over specialist now.

 

Aniket -- 6'5" tall left armer, bowls 130 k to 144 k, can swing the ball, bowls a heavy ball and gets bounce, has a great bouncer which he uses often, can swing the ball, more of a test prospect

 

Shardul -- Bowls 130 k to 145 k, short bowler, can swing it both ways and reverse it too, good bouncer, good FC record

 

Avesh -- 6'4" hit the deck quick, only 20 years old, bowls 132 k to 142 k, gets steep bounce, hurries batsmen all the time as he bowls a heavy ball, gets seam movement, performed superbly in the U19 WC.

 

Khejroliya - Left arm genuine fast bowler, just starting his career, had a great 5 over domestic tournament where he picked up 18 wickets in 7 matches, has a hostile bouncer

 

Saini -- Fast medium swing and seam bowler, gets good bounce, good FC record, has potential in tests

 

Rajpoot -- Very tall pacer, bowls 130 k to 147 k, inconsistent in terms of speeds, gets bounce, gets swing, good FC record

 

Nagarkotti - 17 year old, very skiddy and pacy, short bowler, had a good 50 over domestic tournament on debut, bats well and has potential as an all-rounder

 

 

 

 

whos nagarkotti,never heard of him??

also how is avesh khan doing???

Edited July 2, 2017 by RAZPOR

[Rasgulla]

Jaydev is left put due to personal agenda 

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Even if any of the Indian bowlers of the past were quick, how would you know? There's so much bias and so much stereotype against Indian bowlers that nobody would put that in words even if any Indian bowler were quick. You have Umesh Yadav termed as ' Fast Medium', you had Javagal Srinath termed as ' Fast Medium'. Heck, at times you have Bumrah termed as ' Right Arm Medium'!

 

About bowlers unable to maintain the pace for long, tell me for how many years did Waqar Younis maintain his pace?

You are right about 2 things, 1)  - I have studied fast bowling, both internation fast bowlers and their pace, and especially Indian pace bowlers and their pace very very closely. The fact that my first job was at ' Times of India' in the editorial deptt ( in the year 2002) helped me speak to the journalists, both Indian and foreigners very closely. That opened my eyes about a lot of things.

2) Indian bowlers lack the X factor - I agree. None of the Indian bowlers had a good mentor which affected their growth. Pakistan was lucky to have an English bred Imran Khan who mentored and taught the nuances of fast bowling and brought in a culture. Indians lacked that. But if you compare someone like Srinath who bowled mostly without any help from the other end and without any mentor, he was still damn good!

 

RAFbhai    great post !!  

 

Would be nice to hear what you heard during your TOI stint.

[RAZPOR]

Just now, Rasgulla said:

Jaydev is left put due to personal agenda 

Jaydev is a good quality trundler but a trundler none the less,but i have a feeling he can improve his pace if he works on it,saw him bowling quite a few very quick deliveries this ipl

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, RAZPOR said:

whos nagarkotti,never heard of him??

also how is avesh khan doing???

 

Nagarkotti is a 17 year old quick from Rajasthan.... playing in our U19 team now....played his first 50 over VH Trophy this year....is a decent batsman too and good prospect as an all-rounder.

 

Avesh did not play Ranji last season but really impressed in the IPL match he played.

[RAZPOR]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

Nagarkotti is a 17 year old quick from Rajasthan.... playing in our U19 team now....played his first 50 over VH Trophy this year....is a decent batsman too and good prospect as an all-rounder.

 

Avesh did not play Ranji last season but really impressed in the IPL match he played.

Yeah i missed avesh's Ipl debut,good to hear he did well.

[Rightarmfast]

7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

RAFbhai    great post !!  

 

Would be nice to hear what you heard during your TOI stint.

Anytime bhai :)

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, RAZPOR said:

Jaydev is a good quality trundler but a trundler none the less,but i have a feeling he can improve his pace if he works on it,saw him bowling quite a few very quick deliveries this ipl

Unadkat's problem is that he has underperformed when he has played for India.  He was taken on a trip to Zimbabwe and he was bowling 127 k and getting hit.

 

Reason why he was not short-listed as one of the 7 pacers for the NCA camp and did NOT find a place in any of the A teams despite being a FC veteran.

 

Hence he cannot be considered a prospect as of now.

[Rightarmfast]

24 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Atleast 10 good pacers are on the horizon

 

Siraj -- Bowls 132 k to 145 k, has a good indipper both swing and seam, skiddy pacer who gets lots of bowled and lbws, has a good bouncer, has taken 42 wickets in 10 FC matches last season, developing yorkers and slower balls, can be an all-format bowler

 

Nathu -- Bowls 135 k to 145 k, can swing both ways and seam it too, accurate bowler, has an excellent quick yorker, decent bouncer, more of a 50 over and 20 over bowler now.

 

Thampi -- Bowls 133 k to 145 k, has a slingshot-type action, very skiddy, great yorker, good bouncer, bowls inswingers, was adjudged best emerging talent this IPL, more of a 50 over and 20 over specialist now.

 

Aniket -- 6'5" tall left armer, bowls 130 k to 144 k, can swing the ball, bowls a heavy ball and gets bounce, has a great bouncer which he uses often, can swing the ball, more of a test prospect

 

Shardul -- Bowls 130 k to 145 k, short bowler, can swing it both ways and reverse it too, good bouncer, good FC record

 

Avesh -- 6'4" hit the deck quick, only 20 years old, bowls 132 k to 142 k, gets steep bounce, hurries batsmen all the time as he bowls a heavy ball, gets seam movement, performed superbly in the U19 WC.

 

Khejroliya - Left arm genuine fast bowler, just starting his career, had a great 50 over domestic tournament where he picked up 18 wickets in 7 matches, has a hostile bouncer

 

Saini -- Fast medium swing and seam bowler, gets good bounce, good FC record, has potential in tests

 

Rajpoot -- Very tall pacer, bowls 130 k to 147 k, inconsistent in terms of speeds, gets bounce, gets swing, good FC record

 

Nagarkotti - 17 year old, very skiddy and pacy, short bowler, had a good 50 over domestic tournament on debut, bats well and has potential as an all-rounder

 

 

 

 

Great list! I am excited about all of them, however I have special interest in Khejrolia. He looked to me to be very very pacy who would still get faster. And he looked genuinely classy.

Avesh is someone who would be a world class bowler. He has that kind of aura.

[Vijy]

51 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Atleast 10 good pacers are on the horizon

 

Siraj -- Bowls 132 k to 145 k, has a good indipper both swing and seam, skiddy pacer who gets lots of bowled and lbws, has a good bouncer, has taken 42 wickets in 10 FC matches last season, developing yorkers and slower balls, can be an all-format bowler

 

Nathu -- Bowls 135 k to 145 k, can swing both ways and seam it too, accurate bowler, has an excellent quick yorker, decent bouncer, more of a 50 over and 20 over bowler now.

 

Thampi -- Bowls 133 k to 145 k, has a slingshot-type action, very skiddy, great yorker, good bouncer, bowls inswingers, was adjudged best emerging talent this IPL, more of a 50 over and 20 over specialist now.

 

Aniket -- 6'5" tall left armer, bowls 130 k to 144 k, can swing the ball, bowls a heavy ball and gets bounce, has a great bouncer which he uses often, can swing the ball, more of a test prospect

 

Shardul -- Bowls 130 k to 145 k, short bowler, can swing it both ways and reverse it too, good bouncer, good FC record

 

Avesh -- 6'4" hit the deck quick, only 20 years old, bowls 132 k to 142 k, gets steep bounce, hurries batsmen all the time as he bowls a heavy ball, gets seam movement, performed superbly in the U19 WC.

 

Khejroliya - Left arm genuine fast bowler, just starting his career, had a great 50 over domestic tournament where he picked up 18 wickets in 7 matches, has a hostile bouncer

 

Saini -- Fast medium swing and seam bowler, gets good bounce, good FC record, has potential in tests

 

Rajpoot -- Very tall pacer, bowls 130 k to 147 k, inconsistent in terms of speeds, gets bounce, gets swing, good FC record

 

Nagarkotti - 17 year old, very skiddy and pacy, short bowler, had a good 50 over domestic tournament on debut, bats well and has potential as an all-rounder

 

 

 

 

As always, a very comprehensive post from you. In terms of max potential (not the current one), I wonder which one would it be - I'm guessing Avesh, Nathu or Nagarkotti perhaps? Although Siraj, Khej, etc. are not far behind.

Edited July 2, 2017 by Vijy

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Vijy said:

As always, a very comprehensive post from you. In terms of max potential (not the current one), I wonder which one would it be - I'm guessing Avesh, Nathu or Nagarkotti perhaps? Although Siraj, Khej, etc. are not far behind.

 

Max potential could be Siraj and Avesh.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Max potential could be Siraj and Avesh.

It's probably too early to tell for Nagarkotti since he's younger than the others. Btw, have you see K. Sheth bowl? Is he a trundler?

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, Vijy said:

It's probably too early to tell for Nagarkotti since he's younger than the others. Btw, have you see K. Sheth bowl? Is he a trundler?

Kanishk Seth is a left arm medium fast bowler....not that quick in the air yet.....but gets a bit of zip off the pitch at times.

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Kanishk Seth is a left arm medium fast bowler....not that quick in the air yet.....but gets a bit of zip off the pitch at times.

I see. Since he'd played the U-23s tournament, I was wondering about him.

[KeyboardWarrior]

how about this ? 

 

 

already got 10 years of contract with Lahore Qalanders ..... 

[Vilander]

On 7/2/2017 at 3:14 PM, express bowling said:

Atleast 10 good pacers are on the horizon

 

Siraj -- Bowls 132 k to 145 k, has a good indipper both swing and seam, skiddy pacer who gets lots of bowled and lbws, has a good bouncer, has taken 42 wickets in 10 FC matches last season, developing yorkers and slower balls, can be an all-format bowler

 

Nathu -- Bowls 135 k to 145 k, can swing both ways and seam it too, accurate bowler, has an excellent quick yorker, decent bouncer, more of a 50 over and 20 over bowler now.

 

Thampi -- Bowls 133 k to 145 k, has a slingshot-type action, very skiddy, great yorker, good bouncer, bowls inswingers, was adjudged best emerging talent this IPL, more of a 50 over and 20 over specialist now.

 

Aniket -- 6'5" tall left armer, bowls 130 k to 144 k, can swing the ball, bowls a heavy ball and gets bounce, has a great bouncer which he uses often, can swing the ball, more of a test prospect

 

Shardul -- Bowls 130 k to 145 k, short bowler, can swing it both ways and reverse it too, good bouncer, good FC record

 

Avesh -- 6'4" hit the deck quick, only 20 years old, bowls 132 k to 142 k, gets steep bounce, hurries batsmen all the time as he bowls a heavy ball, gets seam movement, performed superbly in the U19 WC.

 

Khejroliya - Left arm genuine fast bowler, just starting his career, had a great 50 over domestic tournament where he picked up 18 wickets in 7 matches, has a hostile bouncer

 

Saini -- Fast medium swing and seam bowler, gets good bounce, good FC record, has potential in tests

 

Rajpoot -- Very tall pacer, bowls 130 k to 147 k, inconsistent in terms of speeds, gets bounce, gets swing, good FC record

 

Nagarkotti - 17 year old, very skiddy and pacy, short bowler, had a good 50 over domestic tournament on debut, bats well and has potential as an all-rounder

 

 

 

 

and then EB posts something like this 

Edited July 4, 2017 by Vilander

[Vilander]

On 7/2/2017 at 4:58 PM, Shaz1 said:

Look the difference between us two is obvious here. Instead of taking what I am saying as just biased why don't you accept that there are other factors that make Indian bowling not so thrilling to watch?

 

Btw nice little history there. Respect!

shaz not thrilling for you because you want them to fail man, its got nothing to do with Indian fast bowlers they are alright. Or may be they are not as mercurial as pakistani cricketers so less exciting, but consistency is more rewarding. Fun in cricket is in winning as many times are possible.

[Vilander]

On 7/2/2017 at 2:08 PM, Shaz1 said:

Them napping is not our problem. Fact is our bowling did well through out the tournament. Restricted other teams for low total.

 

I do agree that we should wait 6 months before hyping this attack. So I will hold my opinion till than.

that is very true.