Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Quote French Defence Minister Jean Yves Le Drian is likely to visit India next week to conclude the Inter-Governmental Agreement (IGA) between India and France for the purchase of 36 Rafale fighter jets, bringing to an end the 17-month-long negotiations. Mr. Drian is expected to be in Delhi on September 23, official sources said on Thursday. The sources earlier said that the draft of the IGA was being finalised after which it would go to the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) for formal clearance. Tough negotiations India and France had held several rounds of tough negotiations after Prime Minister Narendra Modi announced the decision for direct purchase of as many as 36 Rafale jets in fly-away condition in April 2014. The final deal is expected to cost about Euro 7.87 billion, translating to over Rs. 55,000 crore depending on the currency fixation in the contract. The aircraft will be slightly customised as per the requirements of the Indian Air Force and deliveries will begin in 2019 with sovereign guarantee by the French government. Rafale was originally selected under the Medium Multi-Role combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contest for 126 aircraft but the tender was subsequently withdrawn with no resolution in sight. http://www.thehindu.com/news/french-defence-minister-in-delhi-next-week-to-sign-rafale-deal/article9111666.ece tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 the key is Meteor missile, air dominance assured once the two squads are in operation. diga and tweaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Apparently there is a make in India piece being envisioned for followup orders in tranches. Any way the bird will look awesome in Indian AF. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 he is coming with a white flag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 Apparently there is a make in India piece being envisioned for followup orders in tranches. Any way the bird will look awesome in Indian AF. The best bird in Asia.Nothing to match it till we get the 5th gen fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 25 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: The best bird in Asia.Nothing to match it till we get the 5th gen fighter. Yup, Just read apparently china has got a j20 in tibet, they have started lsp series production going it seems. j20 is a bomber but still stealth. saber rattling.. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 32 minutes ago, velu said: he is coming with a white flag lol wut..you mean he cant take anymore bargaining..almost crying and wants to put an end to it with white flag ? tweaker and velu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Meteor has 3 times the no escape zone as the next best BVRAAM. so basically sumki's will linger around the border and launch bhramos air launched version from standoff distance,as rafales will penetrate and surgically hit air targets and get dominance together, LCA will hang around the formations and do point defense and cas. Something of that sort, instead of huge numbers i think IAF is looking at a potent smaller air force. Would be a maintenance nightmare though. How would they spot j20's thats the next big question. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Vilander said: Yup, Just read apparently china has got a j20 in tibet, they have started lsp series production going it seems. j20 is a bomber but still stealth. saber rattling.. DOnt know how good that thing is considering that the Cheenis ordered SU 35s after we finalised the Rafales. tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surajmal Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) that shit doesnt fly. (okay, flies 15 minutes and has to be serviced). Chinese dont have an engine. Edited September 16, 2016 by surajmal velu and tweaker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 46 minutes ago, surajmal said: that shit doesnt fly. (okay, flies 15 minutes and has to be serviced). Chinese dont have an engine. Not 15 minutes but not too long either.Stealth or no Stealth it will need significantly higher flying time to even enter the Indian Airspace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 17, 2016 Share Posted September 17, 2016 16 hours ago, Vilander said: the key is Meteor missile, air dominance assured once the two squads are in operation. are we assured of meteor with Rafale deal? Wonder what happened to the indigenous development of Beyond the visual range missile Astra ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 17, 2016 Author Share Posted September 17, 2016 are we assured of meteor with Rafale deal? Wonder what happened to the indigenous development of Beyond the visual range missile Astra ? Meteor is confirmed.And so is Scalp. Astra's range isnt 150k+. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 On 9/17/2016 at 4:13 AM, diga said: are we assured of meteor with Rafale deal? Wonder what happened to the indigenous development of Beyond the visual range missile Astra ? Astra also and also an improved 90 kn engine the whole works. Apparently there is a clause for a 18 followon order ao thats the 3 sqad possibly within the inter govt contract possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 23, 2016 Author Share Posted September 23, 2016 Quote India signed an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with France on 23 September in New Delhi for the purchase of 36 Dassault Rafale fighters in flyaway condition for EUR7.9 billion (USD8.82 billion). Indian defence minister Manohar Parrikar and his visiting French counterpart, Jean-Yves Le Drian, signed the aircraft deal for the Indian Air Force (IAF) 17 months after the procurement was announced in Paris in April 2015. The IGA includes the option for 18 supplementary fighters at the same price, taking a flat 3.5% inflation rate into account. Officials said India's Ministry of Defence (MoD) would pay 15% of the sum in advance to French aircraft manufacturer Dassault, which will begin deliveries of the fighters in 36 months and complete them in 66 months. The MoD, however, has yet to sign the final contract with Dassault, which is responsible for offsetting 50% of the overall contract value in India through co-operation with the country's military-industrial sector. The offsets under negotiation are expected to be split 30:20 between domestic aeronautics programmes and the licenced manufacture of Rafale-related components. Officials said the Rafale deal includes EUR3.4 billion for the platforms and EUR710 million for the weapons package, which comprises MBDA's MICA and Meteor air-to-air missiles with strike ranges of 70 km and 150 km, respectively, and the Storm Shadow/SCALP stand-off attack missile, which has a 250-300 km range. India is to pay EUR1.7 billion for customising the 36 Rafales to meet 14 IAF requirements, including the integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, as well as indigenously designed missiles and electronic warfare, datalink, and identification friend-or-foe systems. The fighters will also be customised for SPICE bomb-guidance and range-extension kits, which the IAF plans to acquire from Israel's Rafael, IAF sources told IHS Jane's . Aircraft spares, hangars, and two maintenance, repair, and overhaul facilities in eastern and northern India are set to cost EUR1.8 billion, while the performance-based logistics (PBL) deal for the fighters is priced at EUR353 million. http://www.janes.com/article/64054/india-finally-signs-deal-with-france-for-36-rafale-fighters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 S-400 is way to go right now. With our population we have to look for solid defense. Rafale is a great addition. I wish we already had few by now. I think deal is bit delayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 Brilliant! We paid three times more money and got 36 aircrafts with no technology transfers! Modi must feel like the luckiest person alive who can keep robbing his Bhakts and they keep on applauding the robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted September 25, 2016 Author Share Posted September 25, 2016 On 24/9/2016 at 2:42 AM, dial_100 said: S-400 is way to go right now. With our population we have to look for solid defense. Rafale is a great addition. I wish we already had few by now. I think deal is bit delayed. S 400 deal already signed in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 7 hours ago, The Outsider said: Brilliant! We paid three times more money and got 36 aircrafts with no technology transfers! Modi must feel like the luckiest person alive who can keep robbing his Bhakts and they keep on applauding the robbery. plz substantiate with links.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Outsider Posted September 25, 2016 Share Posted September 25, 2016 2 minutes ago, diga said: plz substantiate with links.. Lizards don't substantiate with links. It's freely available information through a Google search. You can start by reading Ajay Shukla's articles on it on Business Standard and on his blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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