India's Greatest Test XI [ selected by Cricket Australia ]

[express bowling]

There should be separate teams for test matches in Asia and outside Asia...as different sets of players have done well 

 

In Asia

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Hazare /  Pujara

Dhoni

Kapil

Ashwin

Kumble

Srinath

Bedi 

 

Outside Asia

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag  /   Vijay  ( depending on the pitch ) 

Dravid

Tendulkar

Kohli  /  Rahane

Laxman

Kapil

Dhoni

Srinath

Zaheer

Bedi / Chandrasekhar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2016 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Here is how our batsmen have fared in test matches outside Asia ( excluding Zimbabwe ) ....in the history of  Indian cricket. ( Minimum 10 tests outside Asia )

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
AM Rahane	2013-2016	17	29	5	1312	147	54.66	4	7	2
R Dravid	1996-2012	63	117	15	5420	233	53.13	13	28	2
SM Gavaskar	1971-1986	46	81	6	3868	221	51.57	15	15	5
SR Tendulkar	1990-2012	73	128	10	6007	241*	50.90	18	28	9
M Amarnath	1976-1986	24	41	1	1936	138	48.40	4	12	3
V Kohli	2011-2016	24	43	1	1939	200	46.16	8	4	4
VVS Laxman	1997-2012	57	102	11	3856	178	42.37	7	25	7
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	41	71	6	2711	144	41.70	5	15	4
DN Sardesai	1962-1971	14	25	1	944	212	39.33	3	3	2
PR Umrigar	1952-1962	18	35	2	1278	172*	38.72	4	7	2
GR Viswanath	1971-1982	34	61	3	2195	114	37.84	3	18	4
MAK Pataudi	1962-1968	13	25	0	943	148	37.72	1	7	2
G Gambhir	2009-2014	14	28	1	995	167	36.85	2	5	2
VS Hazare	1946-1953	17	32	2	1079	145	35.96	2	5	2
M Azharuddin	1985-1999	38	57	3	1907	192	35.31	6	6	1
R Ashwin	2011-2016	13	22	4	635	118	35.27	2	2	1
V Sehwag	2001-2012	33	61	0	2145	195	35.16	5	7	8
M Vijay	2010-2016	19	35	0	1187	146	33.91	2	7	3
RJ Shastri	1981-1992	30	48	6	1407	206	33.50	5	1	4
RF Surti	1962-1968	15	30	1	967	99	33.34	0	7	3
MH Mankad	1946-1953	16	30	2	930	184	33.21	3	4	4
FM Engineer	1962-1974	20	39	2	1209	89	32.67	0	8	4
DB Vengsarkar	1976-1992	48	82	6	2463	157	32.40	4	13	8
M Prabhakar	1990-1993	15	25	3	703	95	31.95	0	6	2
CPS Chauhan	1977-1981	14	25	0	796	97	31.84	0	6	3
DG Phadkar	1947-1953	12	21	2	599	123	31.52	1	5	2
ED Solkar	1971-1976	12	19	3	503	67	31.43	0	5	0
AL Wadekar	1967-1974	22	41	1	1219	143	30.47	1	8	3
S Dhawan	2013-2016	13	24	0	718	115	29.91	1	3	2
MS Dhoni	2006-2014	39	72	5	1996	92	29.79	0	15	7
W Jaffer	2002-2008	18	34	0	1006	212	29.58	2	7	4
CA Pujara	2010-2016	17	29	0	856	153	29.51	1	3	1
K Srikkanth	1985-1992	10	18	0	531	116	29.50	1	2	2
NS Sidhu	1989-1999	18	30	1	820	201	28.27	2	2	6
KS More	1986-1993	20	30	4	730	73	28.07	0	6	1
SV Manjrekar	1989-1996	22	37	3	938	108	27.58	1	3	2
BP Patel	1974-1977	10	17	3	372	115*	26.57	1	1	0
N Kapil Dev	1979-1994	44	67	4	1640	129	26.03	3	7	9
VL Manjrekar	1952-1962	15	29	1	717	133	25.60	2	2	5
RG Sharma	2013-2016	10	18	1	424	72	24.94	0	2	3
SMH Kirmani	1976-1986	29	43	6	918	78	24.81	0	4	0
P Roy	1952-1959	13	25	0	616	150	24.64	1	2	8
CG Borde	1959-1968	20	38	3	852	93	24.34	0	6	7
AD Gaekwad	1976-1983	11	20	2	438	81*	24.33	0	3	1
Yashpal Sharma	1979-1983	15	26	4	525	63	23.86	0	2	1
S Abid Ali	1967-1974	19	34	3	693	81	22.35	0	4	1
AV Mankad	1971-1978	10	19	1	398	53*	22.11	0	1	1
RG Nadkarni	1959-1968	16	29	3	571	78*	21.96	0	3	2
NR Mongia	1994-1999	14	21	0	425	78	20.23	0	2	1
Yuvraj Singh	2006-2011	10	18	2	316	62	19.75	0	2	4

 

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[express bowling]

Here is how our batsmen have fared in test matches in Asia  ....in the history of  Indian cricket. ( Minimum 10 tests in Asia )

 

 

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
VS Hazare	1948-1952	13	20	4	1113	164*	69.56	5	4	2
CA Pujara	2010-2016	19	31	5	1766	206*	67.92	6	6	1
VG Kambli	1993-1995	16	19	1	1056	227	58.66	4	3	3
V Sehwag	2001-2013	68	114	5	6256	319	57.39	18	24	8
SR Tendulkar	1989-2013	123	194	22	9674	248*	56.24	33	38	4
M Azharuddin	1984-2000	59	87	6	4291	199	52.97	16	15	4
NS Sidhu	1983-1998	32	46	1	2376	131	52.80	7	13	2
R Dravid	1996-2011	95	160	16	7370	270	51.18	22	32	5
SM Gavaskar	1972-1987	79	133	10	6254	236*	50.84	19	30	7
DB Vengsarkar	1977-1990	68	103	16	4405	166	50.63	13	22	7
SV Manjrekar	1987-1996	14	23	3	1001	218	50.05	2	6	1
VVS Laxman	1996-2011	73	117	23	4676	281	49.74	9	31	7
M Vijay	2008-2016	21	33	1	1591	167	49.71	4	7	1
HR Adhikari	1948-1959	13	21	7	673	114*	48.07	1	3	1
MS Dhoni	2005-2013	51	72	11	2880	224	47.21	6	18	3
VL Manjrekar	1951-1965	40	63	9	2491	189*	46.12	5	13	6
GR Viswanath	1969-1983	57	94	7	3885	222	44.65	11	17	6
PR Umrigar	1948-1962	41	59	6	2353	223	44.39	8	7	3
G Gambhir	2004-2012	40	69	3	2907	206	44.04	7	15	4
CG Borde	1958-1969	35	59	8	2209	177*	43.31	5	12	6
SC Ganguly	1996-2008	67	110	11	4287	239	43.30	10	20	8
V Kohli	2011-2016	22	35	3	1333	107	41.65	4	8	0
Yashpal Sharma	1979-1983	22	33	7	1081	140	41.57	2	7	3
S Ramesh	1999-2001	16	31	0	1288	143	41.54	2	8	3
W Jaffer	2000-2008	13	24	1	938	202	40.78	3	4	2
Yuvraj Singh	2003-2012	28	42	4	1547	169	40.71	3	9	3
DN Sardesai	1961-1972	16	30	3	1057	200*	39.14	2	6	2
M Amarnath	1969-1988	45	72	9	2442	131	38.76	7	12	9
SS Das	2000-2002	14	24	1	891	110	38.73	2	5	0
AM Rahane	2013-2016	10	17	1	608	127	38.00	3	1	1
BK Kunderan	1960-1967	14	26	3	868	192	37.73	2	3	1
RJ Shastri	1981-1990	49	72	8	2412	142	37.68	6	11	5
ML Jaisimha	1960-1969	25	45	2	1615	129	37.55	2	11	5
P Roy	1951-1960	30	54	4	1826	173	36.52	4	7	6
PA Patel	2002-2008	12	17	4	471	69	36.23	0	3	1
M Prabhakar	1984-1995	23	32	6	883	120	33.96	1	3	1
NJ Contractor	1955-1962	25	40	0	1352	108	33.80	1	9	1
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	86	116	11	3548	163	33.79	5	19	7
R Ashwin	2011-2016	24	31	6	844	124	33.76	2	4	1
MAK Pataudi	1961-1975	33	58	3	1850	203*	33.63	5	9	5
IK Pathan	2004-2008	22	31	4	905	102	33.51	1	5	4
DG Phadkar	1948-1959	19	24	5	630	115	33.15	1	3	1
Hanumant Singh	1964-1969	12	20	2	583	105	32.38	1	4	3
AD Gaekwad	1974-1985	29	50	2	1547	201	32.22	2	7	3
AL Wadekar	1966-1973	15	30	2	894	91*	31.92	0	6	4
L Amarnath	1933-1952	16	25	4	669	118	31.85	1	3	2
BP Patel	1974-1977	11	21	2	600	83	31.57	0	4	0
CPS Chauhan	1969-1980	26	43	2	1288	93	31.41	0	10	3
MH Mankad	1948-1959	28	42	3	1179	231	30.23	2	2	3
K Srikkanth	1981-1989	33	54	3	1531	123	30.01	1	10

 

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[Trichromatic]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

There should be separate teams for test matches in Asia and outside Asia...as different sets of players have done well 

 

In Asia

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag

Dravid

Tendulkar

Hazare /  Pujara

Dhoni

Kapil

Ashwin

Kumble

Srinath

Bedi 

 

Outside Asia

 

Gavaskar

Sehwag  /   Vijay  ( depending on the pitch ) 

Dravid

Tendulkar

Kohli  /  Rahane

Laxman

Kapil

Dhoni

Srinath

Zaheer

Bedi / Chandrasekhar

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pujara at no 5 in Asia already?

 

VVS Laxman who was out best bat at no 5 and 6 doesn't get a chance after making a career playing against Warne and Murali.

 

[express bowling]

17 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

Pujara at no 5 in Asia already?

 

VVS Laxman who was out best bat at no 5 and 6 doesn't get a chance after making a career playing against Warne and Murali.

 

My first choice was Hazare who averages 69 In Asia.   Pujara was the alternative.  " Already there "  is a relative thing.......There were many ATGs  of yesteryears who have played between 35 and 55 tests in their entire careers.

 

Laxman was obviously a very good player of spin. But there are already 3 other  batsmen of his era in the team and including someone of a different era would lend more balance to the team.

 

Scoring on Indian pitches have been the most difficult in the last few years....very few batsmen are getting centuries and teams are not crossing 400.  In such a scenario....Pujara has an average of 65 at home and his style of playing spin is very good.

Edited September 28, 2016 by express bowling

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

My first choice was Hazare who averages 69 In Asia.   Pujara was the alternative.  " Already" there  is a relative thing.......There were many ATGs  of yesteryears who have played between 35 and 55 tests in their entire careers.

 

Laxman was obviously a very good player of spin. But there are already 3 other  batsmen of his era in the team and including someone of a different era would lend more balance to the team.

 

Scoring on Indian pitches have been the most difficult in the last few years....very few batsmen are getting centuries and teams are not crossing 400.  In such a scenario....Pujara has an average of 65 at home and his style of playing spin is very good.

Yes, it is true that Pujara is playing the spinners very well these days. But that does not translate to him being the best player of spin for an all-time Asian XI or in the top 4 of that group (to make the team). Scores are low in India these days also because batsmen are not playing spinners as you do in test cricket, but in T20 cricket. These is a general decline in ability to play spinners exceedingly well compared to the last 30 years, which is due to the general decline in spinners in the last 10 years or so anyways. 

Remember- it is one thing playing against spinners who are accurate & with variations off the pitch very well,its another thing playing on spin friendly wickets against multiple ATG spinners who also have numerous variations in the air & similar action based variations.

Now, Pujara for example, has faced (and done ok) against Swann & Panesar combo ( He has 191 runs @ 38.20) but has 247 un-dismissed runs against Swann only in India, which is gargantuan. But thats pretty much it, for experience against world class quality spinners on spin friendly wickets.  And even then, Swann is on the low end of the 'great spinner' spectrum IMO, while Panesar was a good spinner but not an exceedingly good or great one either. 

There are better options than Pujara out there, particularly at #5 position, if playing quality spin and pace in Asia is a criteria. For one, Azharuddin. He has excellent numbers against Warne, Murali on home conditions, better than Pujara's against quality spin opposition in India.

Jayawardene too, is a killer batsman with significantly better pedigree than Pujara on home conditions. 

Pujara may get to that list by the time he is over, but he isn't there yet IMO.

 

[express bowling]

24 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Yes, it is true that Pujara is playing the spinners very well these days. But that does not translate to him being the best player of spin for an all-time Asian XI or in the top 4 of that group (to make the team).

This is an Indian XI....he would not have made it to the Asian XI....anyway my first choice was Hazare.

[India-KXIP fan]

On 24/09/2016 at 8:31 PM, Trichromatic said:

Indian bowlers away from home (excluding Bangladesh and Zim)

 

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	Balls	Runs	Wkts	BBI	BBM	Ave	Econ	SR	5	10
SP Gupte	1953-1959	15	25	4836	1854	65	7/162	7/164	28.52	2.30	74.4	6	0
BS Chandrasekhar	1967-1979	26	42	6778	3266	100	6/38	12/104	32.66	2.89	67.7	8	1
N Kapil Dev	1978-1994	65	106	15205	6971	212	8/85	8/85	32.88	2.75	71.7	12	0
Z Khan	2001-2014	44	75	9755	5482	163	5/29	9/134	33.63	3.37	59.8	6	0
BS Bedi	1967-1979	37	64	10973	4350	129	6/127	10/194	33.72	2.37	85.0	6	1
EAS Prasanna	1962-1978	27	45	7660	3182	94	8/76	11/140	33.85	2.49	81.4	5	1
R Ashwin	2011-2016	16	27	3979	2132	62	7/83	10/160	34.38	3.21	64.1	4	1
J Srinath	1991-2002	30	54	7806	3804	110	6/76	8/104	34.58	2.92	70.9	5	0
S Sreesanth	2006-2011	15	27	3204	1937	54	5/40	8/99	35.87	3.62	59.3	2	0
BKV Prasad	1996-2001	22	36	5044	2516	69	5/60	10/153	36.46	2.99	73.1	5	1
A Kumble	1990-2008	61	107	18647	8989	240	8/141	12/279	37.45	2.89	77.6	10	1
I Sharma	2008-2016	43	74	8948	5200	136	7/74	10/108	38.23	3.48	65.7	6	1
M Prabhakar	1989-1993	22	39	5671	2770	69	6/132	6/92	40.14	2.93	82.1	3	0
Harbhajan Singh	1998-2015	39	69	9720	5025	124	7/120	10/153	40.52	3.10	78.3	7	1
RJ Shastri	1981-1992	41	62	8108	3259	77	5/125	8/179	42.32	2.41	105.2	1	0
MH Mankad	1946-1955	21	32	6919	2503	59	5/64	7/146	42.42	2.17	117.2	4	0
S Venkataraghavan	1967-1983	25	41	6602	2753	62	5/95	6/96	44.40	2.50	106.4	1	0

All are rubbish numbers. Not even one who is atleast ok in average and strike rate.

Edited September 30, 2016 by India-KXIP fan