Jayant Yadav

[Unleashed]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I don't know whether you have actually seen Jayant and Jadeja bat in the last series. The biggest difference between the two is their approach to batting.

 

 Jayant  has looked to build an innings every time he has come in, just like a proper batsman does. He has first got set and then played a range of shots.  He has kept his eyes on the ball, gone to the line of the ball while playing and has tried hard to put a price on his wicket as a batsman. Also shown the maturity to bat with the tail.    In a nutshell, he has not looked like a tailender at all but a top order batter.   Result...scores of 35, 27 not out, 55 and 104 ( on a tough track)  for a tailender playing his first test series... .....such consistency batting at No.9 is very rare.

 

Jadeja has shown significant improvement with the bat in the recent past too....but his batting style is more the hit or miss type high risk game.  He is prone to throwing his wicket away even off ordinary deliveries.  Jadeja in form is an ideal No.8 batter, who can up the run-rate but his batting style is more that of a bowling all-rounder. 

 

It is a no-brainer that Jadeja is the much better bowler though.

Let's not forget that Jayant was also dismissed and then dropped in that innings of 104. I think he's a great find but you're overrating his batting.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

You don't play third spinner who bats at number 9 , is he a better batsman than his co spinners if answer is no you keep looking for a better spinner.

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yes,  he certainly is, at least in Indian conditions.  You dont need a specialist spinner as a 5th bowler. You need someone who can support the other two which Mishra struggled to do and Jayant scored runs too.

[rkt.india]

5 minutes ago, Unleashed said:

Let's not forget that Jayant was also dismissed and then dropped in that innings of 104. I think he's a great find but you're overrating his batting.

Kohli was also dismissed and dropped at 60 in his innings of 235. He got multiple lives. It is not just about runs but how he made those runs on the tough track of Wankhede. He looked as much a proper batsman and more comfortable at the crease than any of our top 5 bar Kohli.

Edited December 30, 2016 by rkt.india

[Unleashed]

Let's agree to disagree then. My original point is that whenever we decide to play two spinners abroad then that 2nd spinner will be Jadeja and not Jayant and I stand by that.

[express bowling]

13 minutes ago, Unleashed said:

Let's not forget that Jayant was also dismissed and then dropped in that innings of 104. I think he's a great find but you're overrating his batting.

Dropped catches are very common is a long innings by top batsmen even.  In this series, Nair, Kohli,  Jennings, Cook, Stokes (2) , Root, Moin .....all of them had dropped catches in their innings of 100+....before they had scored their 100s.   

[rkt.india]

45 minutes ago, Unleashed said:

Let's agree to disagree then. My original point is that whenever we decide to play two spinners abroad then that 2nd spinner will be Jadeja and not Jayant and I stand by that.

obviously, a captain wont plays two right arm off spinners together overseas.

[rkt.india]

18 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Not at all convinced with him. His main trade, off spin, is strictly utilitarian even in conducive Indian conditions. I believe there are better spinners, with equally good facility with the bat, available in the form of Kuldeep and S Gopal. Mahipal Lomror is another one to keep an eye on.

None of them are as good with the bat as him. More than a specialist bowler, we need a batsman who can bowl and he fits that role perfectly at home.

[rkt.india]

4 minutes ago, sarchasm said:

Given that curators in India are far from consistent in churning out steady turners, we can never have enough good quality spinners. Ashwin and Jadeja are in the middle of a dream run but there needs to be options to back them up. Our frontline batsmen, along with Ashwin and Jadeja, are more than good enough to have any worry about filling the role of a 'batsman who can bowl'. A batsman who can bowl a bit is the last thing we need in India.

 

My opinion is that all of them have a higher ceiling than Yadav with the bat. Shreyas Gopal is already better than him, while Kuldeep and Lomror are too young and still developing. Kuldeep has played some truly clutch knock this season.

 

Coming back to their main trade, spin bowling, Shreyas Gopal seems like several notches above. Makes me wonder why he is not being talked about as much as a few others. Kuldeep has had a solid season while Lomror needs another two years.

You pick any spinner from domestic cricket and most of them will do well in India. I am here talking about an alrounder which Jayant is. We being playing only 5 batsman and keeper not that reliable, we need as much batting as possible even at home because our top order is not that experienced and equipped against spinners and can be highly inconsistent. Even in this England series, it was Jayant's batting in the two tests he played that made the difference, especially, in Mumbai where he had a big partnership with Kohli. I wont call Jadeja a batsman. he still bats like a slogger and not reliable at all.

 

Not really, Shreyas Gopal is not a better batsman than him neither Kuldeep. I have seen Gopal bat and he doesnt exude much confidence, atm. Even in bowling, Gopal has not done anything to be talked about as he is very inconsistent and leaks runs.

[putrevus]

5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

yes,  he certainly is, at least in Indian conditions.  You dont need a specialist spinner as a 5th bowler. You need someone who can support the other two which Mishra struggled to do and Jayant scored runs too.

Any player picked should be able to walk into the team based on either batting or bowling. Ashwin and Jadeja will walk into team as bowlers their batting is a bonus. Just because Mishra stinks both a bowler and batsman, you stop looking for a better bowler. Yadav should  and will get five more tests to show his skills.As per your earlier post you were saying he is better batsman than both Ashwin and Jadeja, I don't think it is true.

No offense to Shastri but the reason why India stunk even at home in 80s is because of bits and pieces players like him.We want bowlers first then if their batting is good it will be a bonus. Once we get four strike bowlers you do not need a fifth bowler.

[rkt.india]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Any player picked should be able to walk into the team based on either batting or bowling. Ashwin and Jadeja will walk into team as bowlers their batting is a bonus. Just because Mishra stinks both a bowler and batsman, you stop looking for a better bowler. Yadav should  and will get five more tests to show his skills.As per your earlier post you were saying he is better batsman than both Ashwin and Jadeja, I don't think it is true.

No offense to Shastri but the reason why India stunk even at home in 80s is because of bits and pieces players like him.We want bowlers first then if their batting is good it will be a bonus. Once we get four strike bowlers you do not need a fifth bowler.

We already have 4 strike bowlers and 5th bowler is certainly needed to give rest to main bowlers. You wont need a 5th bowler if you have bowlers like the invincible Aussie team had. Let him play a few more tests and he will easily walk into this team as a batsman.

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, sarchasm said:

I have seen Gopal bat in IPL and he looked fairly competent to me, no worse than Yadav. In any event, they have both played a reasonable number of first class matches and their batting record is similar. This is a far more objective measure of their potential than hunches and feelings. Except that Shreyas is 3 years younger and has more head room to grow as a batsman. As spinners, this isn't even a debate. Shreyas is without a doubt better spinner. More or less the same with Kuldeep, he has really come along nicely this season, both as a batsman and a bowler.

 

On your point about India needing a batsman who can bowl a bit, I wouldn't belabor my point and agree to disagree. I, too, am happy with how Jayant contributed in the last two tests but he is simply not the player, both in type and ability, that India needs.

I have seen Gopal bat in first class cricket and he is not as compact and assured as Jayant. I never judge a player just by stats in domestic cricket. 

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

We already have 4 strike bowlers and 5th bowler is certainly needed to give rest to main bowlers. You wont need a 5th bowler if you have bowlers like the invincible Aussie team had. Let him play a few more tests and he will easily walk into this team as a batsman.

We don't have four strike bowlers, we have two strike bowlers plus 3 supporting acts that is in Indian conditions. Outside Asia we do not have any strike bowlers. Until we find four legitimate strike bowlers we need to keep looking.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

 Let him play a few more tests and he will easily walk into this team as a batsman.

That he will.

[putrevus]

If he ever walks into Indian team as a batsman then we will have our own Steve Smith.If that happens everyone would be glad but doubt it will happen.

[gakgupta]

I would prefer Kuldeep over Jayant because he will add variety to our bowling attack....Moreover Jayant looked a limited bowler and can never become a strike bowler....So incase of any injury to our strike bowler we will be damned.....So it's better to develop a bowler who has the potential to be a strike bowler

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[express bowling]

We need to replace Mishra with Kuldeep or any other wrist spinner who has the potential to be a strike bowler. That way, he will have the opportunity to train under Kumble and be ready if Ashwin or Jadeja is injured.

 

I like Jayant as a  batsman + 3rd spinner but he won't do as one of the top 2 spinners and neither will Mishra.

[Ankit_sharma03]

17 hours ago, express bowling said:

We need to replace Mishra with Kuldeep or any other wrist spinner who has the potential to be a strike bowler. That way, he will have the opportunity to train under Kumble and be ready if Ashwin or Jadeja is injured.

 

I like Jayant as a  batsman + 3rd spinner but he won't do as one of the top 2 spinners and neither will Mishra.

Spinner get better with time and experience. He is lucky to have kumble and ashwin around him and he gets to bowl at batsman like vijay, pujara, kohli, rahul, nair, rahane, rohit in nets and this will only make him better with time. His batting is a huge bonus. 

 

I dont see him playing much Of LOI cricket, he shud use this opp to play in county next year and polish his skills more. Bowling tons n tons of overs in county and batting in those conditions will take his game to a diff level. As a batsman he has both technique and temp and his consistency can give us the option playing as a spin bowling all rounder if needed. Who knws their may be a case in future that ashwin gets injured and we might get a chance to play a wrist spinner overseas. In overseas condition he will sneak ahead of jadeja as all rounder, jadeja bowling isnt effective overseas.