Rishabh Pant: A few thoughts

[MK55]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

That doesn't make sense. India has plenty of world class batting options. We have zero world class keeping options. Developing him as a keeper is more important IMO.

 

I was talking from from the perspective of ODIs. We have got good openers and some middle order batters but havent got world class options for power hitting when compared to other teams.

Pitches are getting increasingly flatter especially overseas in ODIs where teams are required to chase/set targets in excess of 300. We are heavily reliant on the top 4/5 and if Pant could develop into someone like Butler/de kock then that would solve a lot of our LOI problems.

[Muloghonto]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

I was talking from from the perspective of ODIs. We have got good openers and some middle order batters but havent got world class options for power hitting when compared to other teams.

Pitches are getting increasingly flatter especially overseas in ODIs where teams are required to chase/set targets in excess of 300. We are heavily reliant on the top 4/5 and if Pant could develop into someone like Butler/de kock then that would solve a lot of our LOI problems.

Trust me, world class power hitting options (or lack of it) will seem very insignificant in comparison to lacking world class keeping option. Remember, for ODIs, Dhoni is an excellent keeper.

[moniker]

Trust me, world class power hitting options (or lack of it) will seem very insignificant in comparison to lacking world class keeping option. Remember, for ODIs, Dhoni is an excellent keeper.

We don't really need world class keeping option in LOIs. We need a good batsman who can keep. Specialist keepers are needed for tests, not necessary for LOIs.

Dhoni the ODI batsman is pretty hard to replace though. He now plays as a top order batsman, so if we do find a world class power hitting option he doesn't have to replace Dhoni.

[express bowling]

On 1/15/2017 at 8:41 AM, Muloghonto said:

Trust me, world class power hitting options (or lack of it) will seem very insignificant in comparison to lacking world class keeping option. Remember, for ODIs, Dhoni is an excellent keeper.

No....power hitting options are what make or break LOI games these days.

 

I am actually thinking about promoting Kishan as keeper and playing Pant only as a batsman if his batting turns out to be as  good as they think.

[Muloghonto]

12 minutes ago, moniker said:

We don't really need world class keeping option in LOIs. We need a good batsman who can keep. Specialist keepers are needed for tests, not necessary for LOIs.

Dhoni the ODI batsman is pretty hard to replace though. He now plays as a top order batsman, so if we do find a world class power hitting option he doesn't have to replace Dhoni.

We are not going to replace Dhoni the ODI batsman, just like we are not going to replace Tendulkar the batsman. That is a given.

And i disagree that world class keeping options are not needed in LOIs. You always need a first class wicketkeeper, period. 

Besides, if we rushed Pant in the LOIs and overplayed him (which means playing him at the expense of Ranji), we will not have a world class test keeper either.

 

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, express bowling said:

No....power hitting options are what make or break LOI games these days.

 

I am actually thinking about promoting Kishan as keeper and playing Pant only as a batsman if his batting turns out to be as  good as they think.

Sure, once we have Pant develop his keeping enough. 

IMO, Power hitters are still secondary concern to having a worldclass keeper. And lacking a power hitter can be compensated to a large extent by having aggressive top order batsmen. As Chris Gayle showed us till 3-4 years ago, you don't need 'Mr 40 in 20 balls at #6' to win ODIs.

 

And even if it were, as Jadhav is showing, we are not lacking in terms of power hitters in limited overs cricket.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2017 by Muloghonto

[express bowling]

8 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure, once we have Pant develop his keeping enough. 

IMO, Power hitters are still secondary concern to having a worldclass keeper. And lacking a power hitter can be compensated to a large extent by having aggressive top order batsmen. As Chris Gayle showed us till 3-4 years ago, you don't need 'Mr 40 in 20 balls at #6' to win ODIs.

 

ODIs have changed a lot in the last 2 years....the number of 330+ scores have risen astronomically.  Teams need really high SR batters both at the top and the bottom these days.

 

I am all for Pant playing the next  full Ranji season and all 4-day A team games at the cost of a few LOis, as I said before

 

BUT....If Pant turns out to be an awesome power-hitter who can play at a really high SR, there is sufficient case for playing him just as a batsman in LOIs and playing Kishan as the keeper batsman.  He has more FC keeping experience already.

Edited January 16, 2017 by express bowling

[rkt.india]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Sure, once we have Pant develop his keeping enough. 

IMO, Power hitters are still secondary concern to having a worldclass keeper. And lacking a power hitter can be compensated to a large extent by having aggressive top order batsmen. As Chris Gayle showed us till 3-4 years ago, you don't need 'Mr 40 in 20 balls at #6' to win ODIs.

 

And even if it were, as Jadhav is showing, we are not lacking in terms of power hitters in limited overs cricket.

 

 

we do not have aggressive top order batsman and we are looking at Pant to be that one aggressive opener for us. Both Rohit and Dhawan are slow starters.

[rkt.india]

He scored 214 runs in 6 matches at 42 in DY Patil at an SR of 216. Best SR for any batsman. Ishan Kishan only played 2 games, scored 59 at an SR of 196. Prashant Chopra scored 184 runs in 5 matches, 4th highest, at 34 with an SR of 143. Shahank Singh who made his debut for Mumbai last year in SMA trophy was the joint top run getter scoring 222 form 6 matches at 44 with an SR of 150, but the most impressive new batsman was Shivam Dubey who also debuted for Mumbai last year in SMA trophy, scored joint highest 222 in 4 games playing 2 less matches than Shashank Singh, averaged 74, at an SR of 164. These both guys Shahank and Shivam will certainly be in the list of IPL teams by now for the auction. Sarfaraj scored 121 in 5 games at 40 with an SR of 175.

[Bleed-Blue]

1 minute ago, rkt.india said:

He scored 214 runs in 6 matches at 42 in DY Patil at an SR of 216. Best SR for any batsman. Ishan Kishan only played 2 games, scored 59 at an SR of 196. Prashant Chopra scored 184 runs in 5 matches, 4th highest, at 34 with an SR of 143. Shahank Singh who made his debut for Mumbai last year in SMA trophy was the joint top run getter scoring 222 form 6 matches at 44 with an SR of 150, but the most impressive new batsman was Shivam Dubey who also debuted for Mumbai last year in SMA trophy, scored joint highest 222 in 4 games playing 2 less matches than Shashank Singh, averaged 74, at an SR of 164. These both guys Shahank and Shivam will certainly be in the list of IPL teams by now for the auction. Sarfaraj scored 121 in 5 games at 40 with an SR of 175.

Shivam Dubey and Shahank picked up wickets aswell.

[tweaker]

Rishabh Pant should get a chance to show his wicket keeping skills in Nidahas Trophy. 

[prudent_kreeda]

On 1/14/2017 at 9:03 PM, express bowling said:

Let us watch Pant keeping and batting in a few games before passing strong judgements about his current state of preparedness for International cricket.

 

From whatever little I have seen him as a batsman....he looks ready as a batsman for international cricket and i am very hopeful ..... but I would want more proof.

 

The next Ranji season is 10 months away and rather than sitting at home, he would do well to bat and keep in LOIs, A team games etc.  I would want him to play the next Ranji season though, at the cost of missing some LOIs.

 

LOIs and IPLs enable  young players to get used to international pace while both batting and keeping and that would definitely help a player who has finished one full FC season.

       He needs to change his Approach . I was really disappointed that he still not worked on it since August.

       He is trying to hit balls by throwing kitchen sink at it, causing in loosing shape while excuting the shot. 

       trick lies in playing the shots in gaps without loosing shape which will give same results without loosing control while playing.

       when only 4 fielders are out on deep  you can plan out where you want to hit on either side based on the line of the delivery           and some times  even improviise by playing on onside a ball which is out side off stump-  which actually he does well.   

       He should try to get 1 and 2 also against good deliveries , can't just be all out attack all the time .

       When chances are given you need to show something . You can't just wate your chance .

     

       without change in approach he will end up a la Afridi  category  ...  a few 4/6 and thats that ...  

       Follow virat's approach atleast  50%.