BCCI-ICC Saga ICC finance reforms to hit India in a Big Way,Should BCCI boycott the CT?[Update:Post 4 Pakistan Pushes To Reduce BCCI's Revenue]

[vijay50]

[SRT100]

India and BCCI need to be strong and screw the ICC before the ICC screw them.

 

India having a monopoly over cricket is far better than the ICC controlling world cricket, for the simple reason that cricket in India is always going to be the winner which is all I care about.

 

By reducing India's earning capacity they will attempt to reduce the power and control that the BCCI has.

 

I love the suggestions on here, here is a better one. Pay the overseas players more money to play in the IPL and schedule the tournament during Xmas period to smash all other countries world wide, definitely will hurt Australia, SA and NZ.

 

If they f**k with India, then we will f**k with them.

 

This has the potential to smash world cricket into two. India could and should possible explore setting up its own ICC. It could easily get the Asian countries on their side with big financial win falls and possibly get NZ or SA to side with them by promising guaranteed tours by India.

 

[BeautifulGame]

 

NO CHAMPIONS TROPHY PULLOUT

 

 

 

Putting to rest the speculation about the India’s withdrawal from the Champions Trophy, Vinod Rai, the new boss of Indian cricket, said India will go ahead and participate in the June tournament. However, he has conceded that the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) will request the International Cricket Council (ICC) to defer a decision on the contentious new revenue-sharing formula.

 

 

“I can’t comment about the rumours. Why should the BCCI pull out of the Champions Trophy? Why? Doesn’t the Indian public want us to participate in the tournament? Everybody says we can withdraw from the Champions Trophy. Suppose withdraw, is it feasible? Will not there be a huge backlash? Gone are the days when we could threaten and get away,” Rai, the head of the four-member Supreme Court-appointed administrator, told Mirror yesterday.

 

 

Rai is well aware that the Champions Trophy participation is linked to the voting in the ICC about a new revenue-sharing formula in which the BCCI could end up losing a chunk of the ICC share. His committee has now requested the ICC to defer voting on the matter.

 

 

“We have requested the ICC to give us three-four months’ time. We are asking them not to vote tomorrow but at the annual conference in June. I am led to believe that the ICC board will consider our request,” the former Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India revealed. “I agree that India is the largest revenue-spinner in the ICC but India can’t be isolated. I understand there will be short term loss but we will gain more revenue eventually.”

 

 

Rai also did not miss out pointing out that the BCCI itself agreed to the revision in the revenue model. “The formula was devised in 2014 and in 2016, they wanted to revise. The records show that a Special General Meeting (SGM) of the BCCI unanimously approved the revised formula. That is the truth. In that SGM, both Mr Thakur (Anurag) and Mr Pawar (Sharad) were there,” Rai pointed out clarifying that his colleague Vikram Limya will sit in the board meeting, ahead of the two office-bearers – Amitabh Chaudhry and Anirudh Chaudhary.

 

 

The BCCI in-charge has also made it clear that he has no problems coexisting with the office-bearers as much as with the ICC. “We have not gone too far. We have been here only for three days. We are taking up the priority issues one by one. We are clear in our mind that there is a role for the office-bearers and role of the senior management and there is a role for the administrators also. All of us will co-exist, with the office-bearers as well as the ICC. We are also clear in one thing and that is the reforms must be adopted in to-to.”

 

 

Talking about the time the COA can exist, Rai said he wants to ensure the implementation as soon as possible. “The Supreme Court has not given us any deadline. Left to myself I will finish in four months. But it all depends on when the states adopt the reforms. How quickly we can persuade them is the point. As far as I am concerned, these reforms are final. We can’t make any changes. How best we can persuade them to adopt is important but the immediate priority is the IPL. We have cleared all that is required,” he said.

 

 

Finally, Rai reiterated the point that he is only the night watchman. “I have not even gone to the BCCI office yet. When I said I am only a night watchman, what I meant was this is a democratic body. We’re here to ensure everything is conducted in an ethical fashion, the elections, accounting, etc. Earliest we can put things in place and leave it back to democracy, we’ll do it,” he remarked.

 

 

 

 

Cricinfo

 

 

Finally some sensible comments .Should stop all this nonsense about pulling out of Champions trophy.

 

 

For once someone recognizing cricket is about fans not BCCI.Respect to Vinod Roy .

 

 

BCCI should stop this by getting the votes in or else look for other venues (like increasing the length of IPL) to compensate for revenue loss.

 

 

Stunts like pulling out of Champions trophy or world Cup are cry baby stuff and hurts the fans and players more than anyone else.

 

 

Also for all solely blaming Manohar , this proposal was unanimously approved in BCCI SGM by Thakor and Sharad Pawar.

 

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

 

NO CHAMPIONS TROPHY PULLOUT

 

 

 

 

 

Putting to rest the speculation about the India’s withdrawal from the Champions Trophy, Vinod Rai, the new boss of Indian cricket, said India will go ahead and participate in the June tournament. However, he has conceded that the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) will request the International Cricket Council (ICC) to defer a decision on the contentious new revenue-sharing formula.

 

 

 

 

“I can’t comment about the rumours. Why should the BCCI pull out of the Champions Trophy? Why? Doesn’t the Indian public want us to participate in the tournament? Everybody says we can withdraw from the Champions Trophy. Suppose withdraw, is it feasible? Will not there be a huge backlash? Gone are the days when we could threaten and get away,” Rai, the head of the four-member Supreme Court-appointed administrator, told Mirror yesterday.

 

 

 

 

Rai is well aware that the Champions Trophy participation is linked to the voting in the ICC about a new revenue-sharing formula in which the BCCI could end up losing a chunk of the ICC share. His committee has now requested the ICC to defer voting on the matter.

 

 

 

 

“We have requested the ICC to give us three-four months’ time. We are asking them not to vote tomorrow but at the annual conference in June. I am led to believe that the ICC board will consider our request,” the former Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) of India revealed. “I agree that India is the largest revenue-spinner in the ICC but India can’t be isolated. I understand there will be short term loss but we will gain more revenue eventually.”

 

 

 

 

Rai also did not miss out pointing out that the BCCI itself agreed to the revision in the revenue model. “The formula was devised in 2014 and in 2016, they wanted to revise. The records show that a Special General Meeting (SGM) of the BCCI unanimously approved the revised formula. That is the truth. In that SGM, both Mr Thakur (Anurag) and Mr Pawar (Sharad) were there,” Rai pointed out clarifying that his colleague Vikram Limya will sit in the board meeting, ahead of the two office-bearers – Amitabh Chaudhry and Anirudh Chaudhary.

 

 

 

 

The BCCI in-charge has also made it clear that he has no problems coexisting with the office-bearers as much as with the ICC. “We have not gone too far. We have been here only for three days. We are taking up the priority issues one by one. We are clear in our mind that there is a role for the office-bearers and role of the senior management and there is a role for the administrators also. All of us will co-exist, with the office-bearers as well as the ICC. We are also clear in one thing and that is the reforms must be adopted in to-to.”

 

 

 

 

Talking about the time the COA can exist, Rai said he wants to ensure the implementation as soon as possible. “The Supreme Court has not given us any deadline. Left to myself I will finish in four months. But it all depends on when the states adopt the reforms. How quickly we can persuade them is the point. As far as I am concerned, these reforms are final. We can’t make any changes. How best we can persuade them to adopt is important but the immediate priority is the IPL. We have cleared all that is required,” he said.

 

 

 

 

Finally, Rai reiterated the point that he is only the night watchman. “I have not even gone to the BCCI office yet. When I said I am only a night watchman, what I meant was this is a democratic body. We’re here to ensure everything is conducted in an ethical fashion, the elections, accounting, etc. Earliest we can put things in place and leave it back to democracy, we’ll do it,” he remarked.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cricinfo

 

 

 

 

Finally some sensible comments .Should stop all this nonsense about pulling out of Champions trophy.

 

 

 

 

For once someone recognizing cricket is about fans not BCCI.Respect to Vinod Roy .

 

 

 

 

BCCI should stop this by getting the votes in or else look for other venues (like increasing the length of IPL) to compensate for revenue loss.

 

 

 

 

Stunts like pulling out of Champions trophy or world Cup are cry baby stuff and hurts the fans and players more than anyone else.

 

 

 

 

Also for all solely blaming Manohar , this proposal was unanimously approved in BCCI SGM by Thakor and Sharad Pawar.

 

 

 

 

Dont read much into this.This was before the meeting and voting.Limaye ensured that we oppose the proposal.

[BeautifulGame]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cricinfo

 

 

 

Dont read much into this.This was before the meeting and voting.Limaye ensured that we oppose the proposal.

 

 

 

 

We were always voting against the proposal though.It was mentioned even before the meeting.

 

 

I linked the article because we aren't going to pull out of CT.

 

Also there is a lot to read into it though.Like BCCI actually accepting these proposals in the SGM unanimously.

 

 

 

 

What I want see is some info leaked on why the hell BCCI approved these reforms in the first place in the SGM .Pretty sure some powerplay game played out between the likes of Thakur and Manohar which is why our interests were sold out for probably Thakur getting BCCI president and Manohar ICC president.

 

 

What I honestly don't get what incentive Manohar has for trying to screw BCCI like this or pass this resolution in a hurry.

 

 

I mean he didn't even grant Limaye the time he asked for studying these proposals before voting.Forced for a vote which is meaningless and basically show off tactics.

 

 

Yet funnily despite all these Nagpur continues to host Indian matches .

 

As I linked in the other article , BCCI itself seems (plesently ) surprised SriLanka voted against and Zimbabwe abstained.Hopefully we can get the likes of Zimbabwe to vote against it.

 

 

We just 2 votes and with SRL already voting against it , think BCCI will be fully confident of getting that one vote required .

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We were always voting against the proposal though.It was mentioned even before the meeting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I linked the article because we aren't going to pull out of CT.

 

 

 

 

Also there is a lot to read into it though.Like BCCI actually accepting these proposals in the SGM unanimously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I want see is some info leaked on why the hell BCCI approved these reforms in the first place in the SGM .Pretty sure some powerplay game played out between the likes of Thakur and Manohar which is why our interests were sold out for probably Thakur getting BCCI president and Manohar ICC president.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I honestly don't get what incentive Manohar has for trying to screw BCCI like this or pass this resolution in a hurry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I mean he didn't even grant Limaye the time he asked for studying these proposals before voting.Forced for a vote which is meaningless and basically show off tactics.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yet funnily despite all these Nagpur continues to host Indian matches .

 

 

 

As I linked in the other article , BCCI itself seems (plesently ) surprised SriLanka voted against and Zimbabwe abstained.Hopefully we can get the likes of Zimbabwe to vote against it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We just 2 votes and with SRL already voting against it , think BCCI will be fully confident of getting that one vote required .

 

 

 

 

 

 

Afaik the SGM voted that BCCI can take not 21% but 17% of revenues.some decrease of 3.93%.Manohar wants to half it.

 

 

Add to that this league of ODI n Test which will kill off BCCIs financial muscle and IPL window of almost 6 weeks.

 

 

Manohar wanted a vote because he wanted to keep his flock together.More difficult to change your stance once you have voted.

 

 

Pretty confident BCCI will be able to block this and once the new admins come Manohar will have a very tough time.

 

Withdrawing from CT remains the last option.But since BCCI has swung the votes it may not be implemented.

[BeautifulGame]

 

Afaik the SGM voted that BCCI can take not 21% but 17% of revenues.some decrease of 3.93%.Manohar wants to half it.

 

Add to that this league of ODI n Test which will kill off BCCIs financial muscle and IPL window of almost 6 weeks.

 

Manohar wanted a vote because he wanted to keep his flock together.More difficult to change your stance once you have voted.

 

Pretty confident BCCI will be able to block this and once the new admins come Manohar will have a very tough time.

 

Yeah the thing is why did we even agree to 17% .

 

We should have simply rejected it .We have no business even agreeing to a vote. Particularly when we have the numbers.

 

Either way teams like SriLanka Zimbabwe West Indies or Bangladesh won't gain much from it (particularly compared with an Indian series ) so should be easy to flip their votes .This seems particularly to Benifit the southern hemisphere countries (Aus/SA/Eng/NZL) and understandably Pakistan .

 

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

Yeah the thing is why did we even agree to 17% .

 

We should have simply rejected it .We have no business even agreeing to a vote. Particularly when we have the numbers.

 

Either way teams like SriLanka Zimbabwe West Indies or Bangladesh won't gain much from it (particularly compared with an Indian series ) so should be easy to flip their votes .This seems particularly to Benifit the southern hemisphere countries (Aus/SA/Eng/NZL) and understandably Pakistan .

 

 

 

We should be able to defeat this proposal.I hope Vinod Rai leaves the job of politicking to The Choudhurys.

[King Tendulkar]

I know our revenue will be cut from 6 trillion dollars to say 5.9 trillion dollars, whatever will we do.  Mean while SL revenue will increase from 20 dolard to 40 dollars.  I am panicking

 

Good more even spread of revenue.  We have too much and will always have too much.  Lesser countires need it more

[sandeep]

4 hours ago, King Tendulkar said:

I know our revenue will be cut from 6 trillion dollars to say 5.9 trillion dollars, whatever will we do.  Mean while SL revenue will increase from 20 dolard to 40 dollars.  I am panicking

 

Good more even spread of revenue.  We have too much and will always have too much.  Lesser countires need it more

I'm not against a revenue cut for India - especially if its going to subsidize associate nations, development of cricket etc.  But why should India be disproportanately penalized for "spreading the wealth" while the "Project Snow" masterminds somehow paint themselves as if they are Dharavi?  

[mancalledsting]

IPL no longer the lone horse it once was. People can make good money in Australia, Caribbean, PSL etc. Only if you're one of the world's truly best and your a big hitter will you be eligible for super big bucks above what other leagues can provide you. Those filters apply to the smallest elite minority of international talent. The majority will remain unaffected e.g. KP not even going in for IPL auction. Also other leagues are less intense and hence more suitable for lazy bums (who form a significant majority of domestic t20 stalwarts).

[sandeep]

IPL since inception pays a percentage of the player contract to the player's "home" board as a token of compensation.  If ICC wants to squeeze the golden goose for max revenue and not pay a fair share back to Indian cricket, IPL should stop doing this.  I don't think any other boards are providing such compensation.  West Indies board tried to get this from Big Bash and other leagues and were rejected IIRC.  

 

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

IPL no longer the lone horse it once was. People can make good money in Australia, Caribbean, PSL etc. Only if you're one of the world's truly best and your a big hitter will you be eligible for super big bucks above what other leagues can provide you. Those filters apply to the smallest elite minority of international talent. The majority will remain unaffected e.g. KP not even going in for IPL auction. Also other leagues are less intense and hence more suitable for lazy bums (who form a significant majority of domestic t20 stalwarts).

 

Highest pay in other leagues $400k.Highest in IPL 2.5mn.

[BeautifulGame]

IPL no longer the lone horse it once was. People can make good money in Australia, Caribbean, PSL etc. Only if you're one of the world's truly best and your a big hitter will you be eligible for super big bucks above what other leagues can provide you. Those filters apply to the smallest elite minority of international talent. The majority will remain unaffected e.g. KP not even going in for IPL auction. Also other leagues are less intense and hence more suitable for lazy bums (who form a significant majority of domestic t20 stalwarts).

 

 

KP isn't going because he was released and unlikely to be picked in an auction.

[sscomp32]

10 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

incentive of being the good righteous man who slayed the indian beast bcci

That here is the exact reason. ICF still favour india but look at a global forum like reddit or twitter and majority thinks manohar is some god sent angel who will save the victim ICC from the beast BCCI. Some people even call it Shashank redemption.  

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Simply out of curiosity, who are the top few highest payed foreign players and how do their salaries compare to the top few highest payed Indians?

 

 

Watson Pollard ABDV Gayle are the top paid foreign players around 1.5 to 2mn.

 

Highest paid Indian is Kohli with 2.5mn.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

That here is the exact reason. ICF still favour india but look at a global forum like reddit or twitter and majority thinks manohar is some god sent angel who will save the victim ICC from the beast BCCI. Some people even call it Shashank redemption.  

 

Because neither of them knows what a snake Manohar is.Ultimate oppurtunist.

 

Manohar by the way of these dole outs wants to stay on as ICC Chairman for long.

[sandeep]

 

Because neither of them knows what a snake Manohar is.Ultimate oppurtunist.

 

Manohar by the way of these dole outs wants to stay on as ICC Chairman for long.

 

 

 

Manohar is just the front man. He is not running this, it's all ECB and CA.

 

 

Nobody is asking why Cricket Australia gets zero reduction whether it's the big three version or the new version of revenue sharing. All the noise is about the BCCI.

 

No one is asking why ECB was able to gift itself new building for its headquarters in London as part of approved expenses for hosting the next world cup.

 

Keep the spotlight on the Babus of BCCI. Rent the Pakistan vote since they are upset with India already. Spread a few crumbs around, taken from the BCCI share of course, to win back the proteas and kiwis. Pass it all off in the name of fairness and world cricket. ICC Politics in the age of alternative facts.

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

 

 

 

Manohar is just the front man. He is not running this, it's all ECB and CA.

 

 

Nobody is asking why Cricket Australia gets zero reduction whether it's the big three version or the new version of revenue sharing. All the noise is about the BCCI.

 

No one is asking why ECB was able to gift itself new building for its headquarters in London as part of approved expenses for hosting the next world cup.

 

Keep the spotlight on the Babus of BCCI. Rent the Pakistan vote since they are upset with India already. Spread a few crumbs around, taken from the BCCI share of course, to win back the proteas and kiwis. Pass it all off in the name of fairness and world cricket. ICC Politics in the age of alternative facts.

 

 

The ECB headquarters plan was nixed i believe.Manohar is the one rallying them.Giving each board something to get their votes.

 

BCCI has already opened negotiations with atleast 3 more boards.

[King Tendulkar]

The other big three members in aus and England will also have their revenue cut ? As basically going back on coup big 3 did a few Years back

 

why eng and aus not jumping up and down