What is the reason behind these rank turners?

[kira]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

Yes I do. On a flat track there's no batting lineup in the world which is stronger than Aussies.

Really and what do you base that on? 

 

Renshaw - a few matches old

 

Marsh brothers- the less said the better

 

Handscomb- again a newbie

 

Wade- LMAO

 

Except warner and smith, this line up is nothing, you are confusing the aussie ODI line up with tests 

[NareshK]

Last time they toured India in 2013, India beat them 4-0 on rank turners. Why would BCCI decide to change the tracks when it worked so well for them the last time ? It backfired this time as they overestimated India's ability to bat on rank turners against good spinners. They would have also thought tracks like these would nullify Starc and Hazlewood.

 

As for Australia, they just learned from their previous tours and also prepared well and put up a much better performance. There is nothing to suggest flat tracks would give India a great advantage.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2017 by NareshK

[Ultimate_Game]

9 minutes ago, kira said:

Really and what do you base that on? 

 

Renshaw - a few matches old

 

Marsh brothers- the less said the better

 

Handscomb- again a newbie

 

Wade- LMAO

 

Except warner and smith, this line up is nothing, you are confusing the aussie ODI line up with tests 

I think @rahulrulezz was correct in his assessment. If you think Aussies are pushovers on flat wkts then there's nothing much to discuss. Maybe try starting a new thread with a poll regarding Aussies' batting ability and firepower on flattish wkts and you may get your answer.

Edited March 4, 2017 by Ultimate_Game

[kira]

Just now, NareshK said:

Last time they toured India in 2013, India beat them 4-0 on rank turners. Why would BCCI decide to change the tracks when it worked so well for them the last time ? But they overestimated India's ability to bat on rank turners against good spinners and also would have thought tracks like these would nullify Starc and Hazlewood.

 

As for Australia, they just learned from their previous tours and also prepared well and put up a much better performance. There is nothing to suggest flat tracks would help India win automatically. 

 

 

India scored almost 500 in the first 3 tests in the 2013, you are confusing a slow turner with a rank turner, we didn't have rank turners in that series, rank turners always give a chance to the opposition  

[LordPrabhzy]

31 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

There's no denying the fact that with Ashwin and Jadeja (and backed by Jayant in some cases) we have the best spin attack in Tests. Both Ashwin and Jadeja are ranked higher than any other spinner in tests which proves my point. As for the 2ns point I guess you missed the sarcastic "supposedly" in my original comment.

They are only ranked that high because of the long stretch of home tests and feeble batting opposition who couldnt play spin. Ash and Jaddu relied on their batsmen to rack up 400/500 runs so they would have something out and work up the batsmen.. when our legendary batting line up aided by the Guruji Mukund dont even make up 200 what can a spin attack do.

[kira]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I think @rahulrulezz was correct in his assessment. If you think Aussies are pushovers on flat wkts then there's nothing much to discuss. Maybe try starting a new thread with a poll regarding Aussies' batting ability and firepower on flattish wkts and you may get your answer.

Are you incapable of a discussion without personal remarks? We can have different opinions that's why I asked you the question, on what basis do you rate them the best batting line up on a flat track?  don't start crying and calling names if you can't back your own opinion lol 

[kira]

2 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

They are only ranked that high because of the long stretch of home tests and feeble batting opposition who couldnt play spin. Ash and Jaddu relied on their batsmen to rack up 400/500 runs so they would have something out and work up the batsmen.. when our legendary batting line up aided by the Guruji Mukund dont even make up 200 what can a spin attack do.

+1 

 

It is amazing that people here think that rank turners are our strength lol, we need a good scoreboard pressure to win matches

[LordPrabhzy]

1 minute ago, kira said:

+1 

 

It is amazing that people here think that rank turners are our strength lol, we need a good scoreboard pressure to win matches

WE CANNOT PLAY SPIN ANYMORE! why dont people realise that!! We need flat wickets/slow turners so our batsmen and spinners both have an advantage over the opposition to play their strengths.

[BeautifulGame]

They are only ranked that high because of the long stretch of home tests and feeble batting opposition who couldnt play spin. Ash and Jaddu relied on their batsmen to rack up 400/500 runs so they would have something out and work up the batsmen.. when our legendary batting line up aided by the Guruji Mukund dont even make up 200 what can a spin attack do.

 

We won the series against SA on rank turners when 200 was hard to score .

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 minute ago, LordPrabhzy said:

They are only ranked that high because of the long stretch of home tests and feeble batting opposition who couldnt play spin. Ash and Jaddu relied on their batsmen to rack up 400/500 runs so they would have something out and work up the batsmen.. when our legendary batting line up aided by the Guruji Mukund dont even make up 200 what can a spin attack do.

Doesn't matter whether they played at home or not, which other team do you think has a better spin attack in Tests? Let me list all the teams here...

 

Australia: Lyon and O'Keefe

Bangladesh: Shakib and company (extremely inconsistent)

England: Rahid and Moin

India: Ashwin and Jadeja occasionally backed up by Jayant Yadav

New Zealand: Santner and Sodhi

Pakistan: Yasir Shah

South Africa: Tahir who's not even an automatic selection in Tests and probably Duminy

Sri Lanka: Herath who's about to retire and nobody else to back him up

West Indies: Bishoo (Narine is a poor Test bowler)

 

Who do you think has the best spin attack? I would pick Indian spin attack in a jiffy and it's better than any other team's spin bowling.

[Ultimate_Game]

7 minutes ago, kira said:

Are you incapable of a discussion without personal remarks? We can have different opinions that's why I asked you the question, on what basis do you rate them the best batting line up on a flat track?  don't start crying and calling names if you can't back your own opinion lol 

Says the guy who called nearly every other post "brainless" or "brain dead"  Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word "irony" in the dictionary.

[NareshK]

12 minutes ago, kira said:

India scored almost 500 in the first 3 tests in the 2013, you are confusing a slow turner with a rank turner, we didn't have rank turners in that series, rank turners always give a chance to the opposition  

Just go and watch the highlights of that series before you talk about it. I have watched all those games live and the ball was turning a lot from day 1. Shane Warne saw the pitch on day 1 at Chennai and called it an 8th day pitch. lol

 

Back then, their spinners couldnt exploit the conditions because of lack of experience. They did it much better here.

Edited March 4, 2017 by NareshK

[kira]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

Says the guy who called nearly every other post "brainless" or "brain dead"  Maybe you need to look up the meaning of the word "irony" in the dictionary.

Still waiting for your answer, quit deflecting, now tell me on what basis are they the best batting lineup on a flat track? Don't run

[kira]

1 minute ago, NareshK said:

Just go and watch the highlights of that series before you talk about it. I have watched all those games live and the ball was turning from day 1. Shane Warne saw the pitch on day 1 at Chennai and called it an 8th day pitch. lol

Are yaar, even mumbai was a turner against england where we scored almost 650, I am not against slow turners (pitches where you can score runs once you get in) I am against rank turners (pitches like pune and maybe even bangalore (we'll find out after australian innings)) where batsmen are unable to score big totals.

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, kira said:

Still waiting for your answer, quit deflecting, now tell me on what basis are they the best batting lineup on a flat track? Don't run

If you don't think Aussies are the best batting lineup on flat tracks I can't do much. Maybe you can try telling us where exactly have you seen Australia being outplayed on flat wkts - be it Tests or odis. Aussies struggle when seam or spin, i.e. lateral movement of any kind, are on offer and if they get flat tracks they hammer you into submission.

[kira]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

If you don't think Aussies are the best batting lineup on flat tracks I can't do much. Maybe you can try telling us where exactly have you seen Australia being outplayed on flat wkts - be it Tests or odis. Aussies struggle when seam or spin, i.e. lateral movement of any kind, are on offer and if they get flat tracks they hammer you into submission.

Indian flat tracks do spin on the third and the 4th day, also the bounce on Indian tracks is not the same as that in australia, did you miss the australian tour to uae where this team was absolutely destroyed on flat tracks?

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, kira said:

Indian flat tracks do spin on the third and the 4th day, also the bounce on Indian tracks is not the same as that in australia, did you miss the australian tour to uae where this team was absolutely destroyed on flat tracks?

I didn't miss the 2013 tour either where they were white washed 4-0. Fact is Aussies learned their lessons and prepared to counter the pitches and tactics. India is not gonna beat this Aussie team on flattish surfaces.

[kira]

3 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

I didn't miss the 2013 tour either where they were white washed 4-0. Fact is Aussies learned their lessons and prepared to counter the pitches and tactics. India is not gonna beat this Aussie team on flattish surfaces.

Again in 2013 we scored 500 in each match, those are the kind of pitches that I want, not the rank turners like pune, do you even understand what you are talking about

Edited March 4, 2017 by kira

[Laaloo]

Don't judge the pitch until both sides have batted.

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, kira said:

Again in 2013 we scored 500 in each match, those are the kind of pitches that I want, not the rank turners like pune, do you even know what you are talking about

The difference was we had a better batting lineup with a much better wkt keeper batsman than Saha. The test series turned on its head with that 200 scored by Dhoni when Lyon was creating all sorts of problems in the 1st Test. If Saha had been there we would've probably lost the 1st Test and struggled but that knock, especially the counter-attack against Lyon, changed the complexion of the series.