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Before and during the series, we saw instances of bravado from our team (Coach, captain and some players), which unnecessarily created unrealistic expectations. 

 

We could have been a little more humble. Could have toned our big talks. May be accepted that England is a challenging place where the team has found it difficult in the past. That even though we are #1, Eng should be the favorite (and in a way transfer pressure to Eng). Let's not forget how India has beaten #1 teams at its home. Rankings don't always matter. 

 

Being humble does not show that we are not confident in our abilities but that we are realistic and therefore understand what needs to be done to overcome the challenges ahead. 

 

In the past, military leaders used to psyche up the soldiers before the battle. And that worked because it was a do or die situation. If the soldier survived, he would live on to fight another day. If he died, it did not matter. In sports, you live to fight another day. Therefore having a realistic snapshot of your strengths and weaknesses helps to approach the challenge in a strategic manner. The approach also helps to build confidence and situational awareness. 

 

Sometimes when you talk big, you put pressure on yourself. It is like running with a heavy rock tied to your back. You think -" I said this and what if I don't stand up to that." Being humble can help to take that kind of pressure off. With the rock off your back, you are at least not held back by the burden. 

 

Shastri's policy appears to be to pump and hype the players up so they start believing in themselves and perform. As some say - "Fake it till you make it.". But, at the end of the day, many have skills but it is how you handle pressure and keep your feet on the ground that determines the success. Having less pressure also translates in to clearer thinking. Many of us fail in important events not because we don't know stuff or were under prepared but cause of the pressure clouding our thinking at the time we needed a clear and quick thinking process. To be in the position to leverage on your strengths and keep a clearer thinking, you have to be humble, accept your limitations and prepare accordingly. 

 

My 2 cents. 

 

 

 

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Just now, coffee_rules said:

Bravado to pick Pandya despite many people saying not to...is the main reason of this defeat.

But he won us the 3rd test 

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2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Difference between the two teams shows Curran being superior to Pandya in both the tests we played. Pandya and Ashwin were key, else we matched man for man.

 

That is illogical. Kohli scored 500 runs so that should translate in to success for us. We lost 3 tests, not just this one. 

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5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

had it not been for Root to put us in, we would have been 0-4

That is an assumption on your part. That Pandya won us a test is a fact. :winky:

 

You seem to have lost your bearings after the loss :lol:

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26 minutes ago, WeStMiDz said:

Whatever is said off the field is irrelevant to what takes place on the field. 

Rationally, it should not ... But as displayed by studies such as the power of zero. For e.g. free shipping drove revenue growth vs when a company charged for shipping 

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16 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

oh yea so simple root put us into bat and their came crashing down in one spell after a good start on board 

Isse ghatiya logic nhin mila 

Batting on I4 is how the series is being played. Forget Lords, it's was an aberration because we had the worst conditions to bat first and the best conditions to bat second. All other cases, in three tests shows bat first with a decent score gets you a win. If Root had batted first in T3, I am not sure how with the a team composition of Pandya/Pant as the rear guard would have won us that test. It was about batting first and putting 300+ plus. 

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Batting on I4 is how the series is being played. Forget Lords, it's was an aberration because we had the worst conditions to bat first and the best conditions to bat second. All other cases, in three tests shows bat first with a decent score gets you a win. If Root had batted first in T3, I am not sure how with the a team composition of Pandya/Pant as the rear guard would have won us that test. It was about batting first and putting 300+ plus. 

Ifs n buts 

UR not sure

We hve won test test with pandya in SA

Binny in ENG, SL 

 

So u shud knw we hve won with this composition only

easiest thing to do make youngsters soft targets over seniors who are on their 2nd tours in Sena countries and yet struggling 

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5 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Batting on I4 is how the series is being played. Forget Lords, it's was an aberration because we had the worst conditions to bat first and the best conditions to bat second. All other cases, in three tests shows bat first with a decent score gets you a win. If Root had batted first in T3, I am not sure how with the a team composition of Pandya/Pant as the rear guard would have won us that test. It was about batting first and putting 300+ plus. 

Your assumption is that tests would go to I4. What if India got bundled out for 150 or less when it batted first and Eng scored 300+ in relatively good batting conditions .... 

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8 minutes ago, zen said:

Your assumption is that tests would go to I4. What if India got bundled out for 150 or less when it batted first and Eng scored 300+ in relatively good batting conditions .... 

Yes, the fact that we got 300+ in I1 is the reason for the win rather than your fan-boy stats that Pandya won us the test,

 

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, the fact that we got 300+ in I1 is the reason for the win rather than your fan-boy stats that Pandya won us the test,

 

And we would have done that in every test? Let's see you betting your house on that 

 

On that test, it was not an 160 all out pitch so yes Pandya turned the game for Ind 

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14 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Ifs n buts 

UR not sure

We hve won test test with pandya in SA

Binny in ENG, SL 

 

So u shud knw we hve won with this composition only

easiest thing to do make youngsters soft targets over seniors who are on their 2nd tours in Sena countries and yet struggling 

Yes, true, but heir seniors are also struggling on this pitch/type of ball. It is unlike 2011 and 2014. We lost on poor selection only. That too in comparison with their team , where it was even , but lacking on Lower MO and spin.

 

Look at what Kohli says too.

 

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Unlike Curran, who has two fifties, an average of 50 and is the third-highest run-scorer this series, despite having played three of the four Tests, India have failed to get similar returns from Hardik Pandya, their main allrounder. Pandya has one fifty so far, but has been poor otherwise. Kohli underlined that fact saying India need to learn from Curran, who has played "fearless" cricket.

 

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1 minute ago, zen said:

And we would have done that in every test? Let's see you betting your house on that 

 

On that test, it was not an 160 all out pitch so yes Pandya turned the game for Ind 

Don't forget the scorecard pressure. India failed twice in Lords. It it only the genius of the bowler or match conditions?

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Just now, coffee_rules said:

Don't forget the scorecard pressure. India failed twice in Lords. It it only the genius of the bowler or match conditions?

5/28 would indicate a special performance .... Eng made 317 in their 2nd inning. Usually 2nd inning score is less than 1st 

 

Thank you! 

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I don't know what has happened to some of the Indian fans. A youngster rose up and won Ind a game but they come up with illogical points to try to take credit away and as if everyone was born y'day :rofl:

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2 minutes ago, zen said:

5/28 would indicate a special performance .... Eng made 317 in their 2nd inning. Usually 2nd inning score is less than 1st 

 

Thank you! 

how come he didnt repeat it 2nd innings? It was pitch conditions and score card pressure. Even if it is his genius, happening it in once in 10 tests is not worth his place.

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4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Yes, true, but heir seniors are also struggling on this pitch/type of ball. It is unlike 2011 and 2014. We lost on poor selection only. That too in comparison with their team , where it was even , but lacking on Lower MO and spin.

 

Look at what Kohli says too.

 

 

curran is playing in his home condition whereas pandya test is tougher in away condition

Pandya return wud be far better to if he plays at home, why is it that we consider everyone failure keeping away condition in check but not pandya

 

Same moeen ali who destroying us at home, was **** when he came to India which is ideal conditions for spinners

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25 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

how come he didnt repeat it 2nd innings? It was pitch conditions and score card pressure. Even if it is his genius, happening it in once in 10 tests is not worth his place.

I don't see any value in such points as it can be said that if it was scorecard pressure and pitch conditions, why other bowlers did not pick up more wkts quickly. Everyone knows Pandya turned the game in 4-5 overs 

 

He is the 5th bowler. If he has to do that too often, it would only reflect badly on our specialist bowlers. What is important is that he chips in with important wkts here and there, and can turn the game with either bat or ball 

 

To refresh your memory, in his short career:

 

  • Hit a 50 and a 100 in SL, and picked up a few wkts
  • Hit a 70 vs Afg
  • Hit a 90 in SA and picked up a few wkts ... could have one us this test too if others had contributed 
  • Hit a 50, fought to take Ind home with 30 odd in I4 of the 1st test, and picked up a match winning 5-er, along with other crucial wkts here and there in this series 

 

He is chipping in with good performances. He is not consistent but is going through the learning curve. He is bound to have a few bad games. It is the tried, tested and failed specialists who are the problem. We cannot add more such struggling and inconsistent specialists to deprive the opportunity to groom a talented youngster 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

curran is playing in his home condition whereas pandya test is tougher in away condition

Pandya return wud be far better to if he plays at home, why is it that we consider everyone failure keeping away condition in check but not pandya

 

Same moeen ali who destroying us at home, was **** when he came to India which is ideal conditions for spinners

everyone expects India to win in Eng, its just that India is good enough to compete but not to win,for that you need a Steyn or a Starc ) forget magrath warne)who can just blow away oppositions, we still do not have that bowler.

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12 minutes ago, Vilander said:

everyone expects India to win in Eng, its just that India is good enough to compete but not to win,for that you need a Steyn or a Starc ) forget magrath warne)who can just blow away oppositions, we still do not have that bowler.

how can we.........only guy is scoring consistently 

 

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I agree with Op.We Have to Plan for overseas Tours .Playing Bhuvi and Bumrah In Ireland was a mistake.We have to play Atleast two practice Matches .Have Consistency in Selection Dropping Pujara Was a mistake in first test.

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7 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

how can we.........only guy is scoring consistently 

 

true India is not as good as we think.

 

Suddenly with Vijay gone and Rahane being under par..its just Kohli and Pujara hoepfully does well from now on. 

 

Everything depends on Kohli Pujara and Rahane now.

 

Need Shaw to be that guy , the young guy that comes in and does well -- we can use that right now. Next game. 

 

And they need to understand Currans game and be prepared for him they have some intel on him now. 

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7 minutes ago, CG said:

I agree with Op.We Have to Plan for overseas Tours .Playing Bhuvi and Bumrah In Ireland was a mistake.We have to play Atleast two practice Matches .Have Consistency in Selection Dropping Pujara Was a mistake in first test.

hope Bhuvi is back, its such a disappointment that he did not play the whole series.

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8 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Bravado to pick Pandya despite many people saying not to...is the main reason of this defeat.

In case you have short memory, pandya won us the 3rd test, dropping him here would have been no brainer.

 

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12 hours ago, Vilander said:

true India is not as good as we think.

 

Suddenly with Vijay gone and Rahane being under par..its just Kohli and Pujara hoepfully does well from now on. 

 

Everything depends on Kohli Pujara and Rahane now.

 

Need Shaw to be that guy , the young guy that comes in and does well -- we can use that right now. Next game. 

 

And they need to understand Currans game and be prepared for him they have some intel on him now. 

pujara himself isnt consistent, his avg is around 30 in all SENA countries ...i think 15 in NZ

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