Don’t select Pandya for the 4th test in Sydney!

[BlueBee]

Pandya is so much better than Marsh. He was good in SA. The only test we won in England, he had a 5-fer. If the conditions at Sydney allow, I think he should come in otherwise Ashwin

[R!TTER]

50 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

So on a flat dead pitch you assume Kumar running through sides

Does he carry a magic wand with him?coz no one sees him succeeding on a flat pitch with his style of bowling only if he had some kind of  magic he would have ..

Ishant has played so many tests ,he hasn't been dropped for his mediocrity..ok true

But do you drop a guy who has started bowling good for the crap.he bowled in the past,?do you?

Had you advocated his inclusion for Umesh,i would rather have agreed,but this one is pure nonsense coming from you

 

Wait aren't you the guy, among others, who sees Umesh as the biggest liability for India - bigger than the 35 avg 90 tests veteran who doesn't play on the flat wickets of India anymore? You want Kumar for Umesh, on a flat pitch when the latter's not even playing?

 

I expect Kumar to do a holding job on a flattish deck, his batting is a bonus but could be handy eventually. Kumar is also a better new ball bowler than Sharma - the same guy who wasted the 2 new balls in Perth, thrice if you count the number of times he bowled with it.

Edited December 31, 2018 by R!TTER

[BlueBee]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Kuldeep & Kumar - my picks in place of the 2 Sharmas, Kumar also provides us control with the ball which can be handy should we have to bowl first.

BK is absolute **** on flat pitches, what makes you think he'd do better than Ishant? Ishant is part of the trio who has the most wickets ever in a year and you want to replace him? Ishant has almost the same control with more pace.

[Ankit_sharma03]

25 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Pandya should only be included if the management wants to see how players perform if only 10 of them are playing. But if they want to play a full strength Indian team, then Pandya should be given a kick on his butt, and thrown in the coral reef once and forever!

We already did that in 3 test having rohit in 2 and umesh in 1 test and those 2 dnt even have a second skill 

[R!TTER]

Just now, BlueBee said:

BK is absolute **** on flat pitches, what makes you think he'd do better than Ishant? Ishant is part of the trio who has the most wickets ever in a year and you want to replace him? Ishant has almost the same control with more pace.

I guess you also missed the oval test part or the stat which I mentioned just a few posts above? Most test wickets away, not most test wickets ever. That feat still belongs to the Windian greats who performed everywhere, even on flat decks & picked up 180+ wickets IIRC.

[BlueBee]

6 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

I guess you also missed the oval test part or the stat which I mentioned just a few posts above? Most test wickets away, not most test wickets ever. That feat still belongs to the Windian greats who performed everywhere, even on flat decks & picked up 180+ wickets IIRC.

That doesn't take away from the fact that he's been great in the last couple of years. What's your point? 

 

Unless there's an injury, I don't see any of the pacers getting dropped when they are performing well and taking 20 wickets almost every match. 

Edited December 31, 2018 by BlueBee

[R!TTER]

4 minutes ago, BlueBee said:

That doesn't take away from the fact that he's been great in the last couple of years. What's your point? 

 

Unless there's an injury, I don't see any of the pacers getting dropped when they are performing well and taking 20 wickets almost every match. 

What's your point, you brought up the stat about our great pace troika? I just showed you that it isn't just a coincidence this is the best year for pacers/bowlers in 6 decades!

 

Also Ishant sat out at Oval, on a flat deck. He isn't that much of an upgrade over Kumar on real flatties of Aus, Kumar can do that holding job which Ishant usually does away from home. On green decks I still maintain Kumar>Ishant, Kumar also adds to our batting depth - which could be the key difference in this game.

Edited December 31, 2018 by R!TTER

[BlueBee]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

What's your point, you brought up the stat about our great pace troika? I just showed you that it isn't just a coincidence this is the best year for pacers/bowlers in 6 decades!

 

Also Ishant sat out at Oval, on a flat deck. He isn't that much of an upgrade over Kumar on real flatties of Aus, Kumar can do that holding job which Ishant usually does away from home. On green decks I still maintain Kumar>Ishant, Kumar also adds to our batting depth - which could be the key difference in this game.

So you want to drop Ishant in Sydney because he didn't bowl in Oval 2nd innings which was what 5 months back ?even if he's performing now ? 

 

Also BK hasn't played a test since SA tour. To expext him to come back and bowl better than Ishant is absurd. 

[Rightarmfast]

20 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

We already did that in 3 test having rohit in 2 and umesh in 1 test and those 2 dnt even have a second skill 

You mean because we played Sh&t players, one chance should be given to the super sh*t player? Ok!

[neel roy]

My team : Pandya in for Vihari. And Ashwin for Rohit. Solves a lot of problem. Pandya and Ashwin will give you 20 runs less than Rohit plus Vihari. But will get us 5 more wickets. 

 

Mayank

Pujara

kohli

rahane

pant

pandya

ashwin

jadeja

shami

ishant

bumrah

 

i know its left field but worth it. Or bring in Vijay and omit Pandya

 

[R!TTER]

5 minutes ago, BlueBee said:

So you want to drop Ishant in Sydney because he didn't bowl in Oval 2nd innings which was what 5 months back ?even if he's performing now ? 

 

Also BK hasn't played a test since SA tour. To expext him to come back and bowl better than Ishant is absurd. 

His pace was down last test & he didn't look penetrative enough, do you get that now? Shall I give you another set of stats?

 

Yeah because everyone harping about Ishant's 21+ avg this year (21.8 tbp) doesn't include the run fest at Oval in the second innings, he's lucky he escaped that punishment. It also shows that any bowler can get injured anytime in the match. So everyone who keeps harping on & on about BK needs to get their heads checked.

 

BK should play, if he's fit. If he's not fit then WTF is TM doing with him?

Edited December 31, 2018 by R!TTER

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

You mean because we played Sh&t players, one chance should be given to the super sh*t player? Ok!

look at ur statement - "if they wanna try", i said they are already doing it. I didnt see u making the 10 player statement then 

 

N pandya is not as **** as both coz his sample size is very small............the other 2 have been inconsistent for years he is a better option then both ....even if he fails the guy is still an investment 

Edited December 31, 2018 by Ankit_sharma03

[Suhaan]

37 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

 

Wait aren't you the guy, among others, who sees Umesh as the biggest liability for India - bigger than the 35 avg 90 tests veteran who doesn't play on the flat wickets of India anymore? You want Kumar for Umesh, on a flat pitch when the latter's not even playing?

 

I expect Kumar to do a holding job on a flattish deck, his batting is a bonus but could be handy eventually. Kumar is also a better new ball bowler than Sharma - the same guy who wasted the 2 new balls in Perth, thrice if you count the number of times he bowled with it.

Keep on blabbering 90 test old guy,90 test old guy

On what account you want Kumar to replace Ishant?

Umesh is a waste if its not reversing

By your logic Umesh is irreplaceable but Ishant should be dropped on flat pitches

Don't you watch cricket?

Who does average 21 in last 1 year with the ball?

Do you really want to break the most successful bowling trio for that untested ready to breakdown anytime pacer?

[Rightarmfast]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

look at ur statement - "if they wanna try", i said they are already doing it. I didnt see u making the 10 player statement then 

 

N pandya is not as **** as both coz his sample size is very small............the other 2 have been inconsistent for years he is a better option then both ....even if he fails the guy is still an investment 

Not at the cost of the team losing. Not acceptable. And thats exactly whats going to happen if Pandya comes. The team looks balanced now.

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Keep on blabbering 90 test old guy,90 test old guy

On what account you want Kumar to replace Ishant?

Umesh is a waste if its not reversing

By your logic Umesh is irreplaceable but Ishant should be dropped on flat pitches

Don't you watch cricket?

Who does average 21 in last 1 year with the ball?

Do you really want to break the most successful bowling trio for that untested ready to breakdown anytime pacer?

Do you watch cricket or were you born yesterday? Rabada, Philander, Cummins, Gabriel, Nigidi all have bowled on flat tracks &/or in Asia & avg less than your lord Ishant, who's done neither!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

 

 

Keep bringing that avg up it only reinforces my point & keep your Ishant Marshall or that non existent troika to yourself!

Edited December 31, 2018 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

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[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Not at the cost of the team losing. Not acceptable. And thats exactly whats going to happen if Pandya comes. The team looks balanced now.

balanced how , here u agreeing that umesh n rohit have been shittty picks then u say team looks balanced .....kaise ?

 

His replacement had made no significant diff in these test , the only reason we are winning coz Apart from kohli pujara has been consistent which wasnt the case in SA n ENG had it been we might have won . Bowling has been good on all 3 tours

 

Rohit or vihari hasnt done anything diff then pandya in terms of perfomances , so doesnt make a diff . Its the specialist who will have to make the diff. 

Pujara n rahane have looked better in Aus hence the result + mayank in last test 

Umesh was **** in perth hence we lost 

 

At the end it wud be specialist  n lets not forget had it not been pandya we wnt have won a single test in Eng....so what cost are u talking about 

[AuxiliA]

We should pick the XI considering the worst case scenario i.e. what if we lose the toss and have to bowl on a day 1 flat pitch and also have to bat last. The only way we win in this scenario is by getting them out on a below par 1st inning score. 

Playing 2 full time spinners is not going to be effective on day 1. Also we need 6 proper batsmen to put up a fight in the 4th innings, so no place Pandya. 

 

Considering this here's my team,

Mayank 
Vijay/Rahul (We have invested a lot in them. Should do it 1 more time)
Pujara
Kohli
Rahane 
Vihari
Pant
Jadeja
Shami
Ishant
Bumrah 

 

This team provides us with the best chance of winning if we lose the toss. And if we are fortunate enough to win the toss, then we are winning anyways LoL.

 

[Suhaan]

22 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Do you watch cricket or were you born yesterday? Rabada, Philander, Cummins, Gabriel, Nigidi all have bowled on flat tracks &/or in Asia & avg less than your lord Ishant, who's done neither!

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/bowling/most_wickets_career.html?class=1;id=2018;type=year

 

 

Keep bringing that avg up it only reinforces my point & keep your Ishant Marshall or that non existent troika to yourself!

Stop talking filth,

You claim the above names have bowled mostly in flat ,tracks,well i don't think Sa tracks our flat

Cummins is a standout ,so is Gabriel

Ishant hasnt bowled badly that you claim in last one year,there should be a reason to drop him for a nobody

And your reasoning is below par,im afraid

Take a nap

[Rightarmfast]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

balanced how , here u agreeing that umesh n rohit have been shittty picks then u say team looks balanced .....kaise ?

 

His replacement had made no significant diff in these test , the only reason we are winning coz Apart from kohli pujara has been consistent which wasnt the case in SA n ENG had it been we might have won . Bowling has been good on all 3 tours

 

Rohit or vihari hasnt done anything diff then pandya in terms of perfomances , so doesnt make a diff . Its the specialist who will have to make the diff. 

Pujara n rahane have looked better in Aus hence the result + mayank in last test 

Umesh was **** in perth hence we lost 

 

At the end it wud be specialist  n lets not forget had it not been pandya we wnt have won a single test in Eng....so what cost are u talking about 

Seriously? I have had enough of this bull on this forum that Pandya won us the game! Go check the score card. India had scored a good total, without Pandya's contribution in the first innings itself. The initial wickets were already taken by Bumrah and Ishant. I honestly dont want to put down anyones hard work. So, I wont go as far as saying that it was easy wickets for Pandya, but lets just say it was his day which comes every summer solistice. The hard work was done by Bumrah and Ishant.

If you go on harping that Pandya won us the game, then why dont you credit Bumrah? Who took the 5'fer in the 2nd innings which was crucial? Go figure!!!

 

How about the rest of the matches in the series which we lost because of the inefficiency of Pandya? He was beyond horrible! Thats what he is. If you want to credit someone, be ready to take the blame too!