5th ODI. NZ has its tail up

[zen]

Though we have won the ODI series and are w/o some of our key players, NZ may gain a psychological advantage for the WC game if we do not compete in the remaining matches (last ODI + T20s) .... No need to say that we have to pull our socks up!

 

Since we introduced Gill, we should back the youngster. But rather than him coming at the pivotal #3 position, bat him at #4 .... Looking at how Pandya batted against Boult, may be promote him at #3 in the rest of the series to get quick runs. If he fires, he would help to demoralize the Kiwi attack. If he gets out, we still have some batting to come 

 

11 for the last ODI

 

Rohit

Dhawan

Pandya

Gill 

Jadhav

Karthik (Rest Dhoni) 

Shankar 

Jadeja (Rest Kuldeep) 

Bhuvi

Chahal 

Siraj (if Shami is rested) 

 

[sandeep]

Play the same XI.  I hope the team resists the temptation to play Dhoni.  But I doubt it.  

[zen]

Just now, sandeep said:

Play the same XI.  I hope the team resists the temptation to play Dhoni.  But I doubt it.  

No harm in giving Siraj and Shanker a game

[flamy]

Dhoni should not be forced to play if he is injured.

 

I hope we see no more of Khaleel.

[sandeep]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

No harm in giving Siraj and Shanker a game

Its a desirable thing, I agree.  After winning game 4, I would have played Hardik as 2nd seamer to get Shankar into the team.  

 

But as it went down, I think its harmful to bench any of the batsmen on the back of this shambolic 92 all out.  Cost-benefit, Shankar and Siraj can wait.  Honestly speaking, they are not in my top 17 players for the WC.  So there is no urgency to get them a game - apart from fans' desire to see them in action.  But we need to decide one way or the other with Ambatli and DK.   Only way to finalize is to give them a run, especially if we want to throw them out.  

Edited January 31, 2019 by sandeep

[zen]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Its a desirable thing, I agree.  After winning game 4, I would have played Hardik as 2nd seamer to get Shankar into the team.  

 

But as it went down, I think its harmful to bench any of the batsmen on the back of this shambolic 92 all out.  Cost-benefit, Shankar and Siraj can wait.  Honestly speaking, they are not in my top 17 players for the WC.  So there is no urgency to get them a game - apart from fans' desire to see them in action.  But we need to decide one way or the other with Ambatli and DK.   Only way to finalize is to give them a run, especially if we want to throw them out.  

If we have to move away from Rayudu and DK (if Pant can come in as someone who can keep wkts too if required as Dhoni is already earmarked as the WK), this is a good opportunity 

[sandeep]

Just now, zen said:

If we have to move away from Rayudu and DK (if Pant can come in as someone who can keep wkts too if required as Dhoni is already earmarked as the WK), this is a good opportunity 

I think at this point in time, DK deserves at least a game or 2 before he is thrown out of contention for the back-up keeper slot.  And its a bit late to throw Pant in.  DK looked really good in clinching a key ODI chase in Australia, played well in game 3 of the current series also.  So its 2 eggs and 2 decent games.  And Pant struggled to figure out his batting tempo and shot selection in the few LOI chances he did get.  Now, if we are 1 year and 15-20 games away from the WC, I might go along with putting Pant in.  And I was calling for that last year.

 

But now that we're here, and DK has some decent finishes on his score-sheet, it would be wrong to dump him.  Similar argument for Ambatli.  Give them the rope of a few back to back games - either they use it climb into the WC squad, or  they hang themselves and end up outside looking in.  

 

 

[Cricketics]

Ya, let Thala rest for World Cup. Play Bablu Rayudu again so he fails and adds few low scores to make his case for getting dropped for the World Cup. 

[zen]

6 minutes ago, sandeep said:

I think at this point in time, DK deserves at least a game or 2 before he is thrown out of contention for the back-up keeper slot.  And its a bit late to throw Pant in.  DK looked really good in clinching a key ODI chase in Australia, played well in game 3 of the current series also.  So its 2 eggs and 2 decent games.  And Pant struggled to figure out his batting tempo and shot selection in the few LOI chances he did get.  Now, if we are 1 year and 15-20 games away from the WC, I might go along with putting Pant in.  And I was calling for that last year.

 

But now that we're here, and DK has some decent finishes on his score-sheet, it would be wrong to dump him.  Similar argument for Ambatli.  Give them the rope of a few back to back games - either they use it climb into the WC squad, or  they hang themselves and end up outside looking in.  

If the goal is to select the players that can make the most impact for the WC, I am not sure where Rayudu stands. I have Karthik in the 11 to rest Dhoni .... Pant appears to be a different player now after his 100s in Tests 

[zen]

NZ has lost both its games at the Westpac Stadium (in the last two years) .... In fact lost the last 3 games if you include vs Aus in 2016 

 

May be NZ would want to reverse the results 

 

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	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	NR	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
unfiltered	1973-2019	754	339	369	6	40	0.918	29.04	4.81	739	402	64	Profile
filtered	2000-2018	28	16	10	0	2	1.600	34.10	5.35	26	393	112

Edited January 31, 2019 by zen

[sandeep]

8 minutes ago, zen said:

If the goal is to select the players that can make the most impact for the WC, I am not sure where Rayudu stands.

Top 3 are locked for us.  Jadhav and Pandya are also a lock as the 5th bowler and hitters down the order.  That leaves 2 slots open in the middle - One of them's going to be Dhoni.  We want a batsman that can wear multiple hats - be technically solid and reliable enough to bat 20-30 overs if necesary on the rare day, AND be able to consistently provide 30s and 40s with decent SR in most cases.  That's the role that Rayudu is being considered for. 

 

• This slot was earlier Manish Pandey's who stuffed it up pretty bad. 
• Before that it was Rahane, who I don't think any of us want to see in the LOI team at this point. 
• Gill is too young and raw, while Pant is ill-suited to this job - best fit for him is to allow him to bat free -whether its right at the top like QdK, or as a floater in the middle.  But key is to not saddle him with too much responsibility.  His test success is a direct result of setting him free IMHO.  
• Karthik has shown that its difficult to trust him to be the guy who can be a reliable accumulator and anchor the innings.

What Rayudu has going for him, is his 'experience', and his indisputable ability to boss top-level spin - a major factor in ODI middle phase.  He may not be the quickest scorer against pace, but hasn't looked out of his depth either.  Yes, he should have seized the opportunities in the last 5-6 games, and he has failed to do so.  But I think the rope can be extended a bit further - at least 2-3 more games, preferably back to back.  

 

If he still fails, then it makes the decision to drop him, that much easier.  And we know what the alternatives have to offer, for better or worse.  

[zen]

34 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Top 3 are locked for us.  Jadhav and Pandya are also a lock as the 5th bowler and hitters down the order.  That leaves 2 slots open in the middle - One of them's going to be Dhoni.  We want a batsman that can wear multiple hats - be technically solid and reliable enough to bat 20-30 overs if necesary on the rare day, AND be able to consistently provide 30s and 40s with decent SR in most cases.  That's the role that Rayudu is being considered for. 

 

• This slot was earlier Manish Pandey's who stuffed it up pretty bad. 
• Before that it was Rahane, who I don't think any of us want to see in the LOI team at this point. 
• Gill is too young and raw, while Pant is ill-suited to this job - best fit for him is to allow him to bat free -whether its right at the top like QdK, or as a floater in the middle.  But key is to not saddle him with too much responsibility.  His test success is a direct result of setting him free IMHO.  
• Karthik has shown that its difficult to trust him to be the guy who can be a reliable accumulator and anchor the innings.

What Rayudu has going for him, is his 'experience', and his indisputable ability to boss top-level spin - a major factor in ODI middle phase.  He may not be the quickest scorer against pace, but hasn't looked out of his depth either.  Yes, he should have seized the opportunities in the last 5-6 games, and he has failed to do so.  But I think the rope can be extended a bit further - at least 2-3 more games, preferably back to back.  

 

If he still fails, then it makes the decision to drop him, that much easier.  And we know what the alternatives have to offer, for better or worse.  

Note that Rayudu has played a sizeable number of games in the last 12 months 

 

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V Kohli	20	20	5	1503	160*	100.20	1532	98.10	7	4	0	145	16
RG Sharma	26	26	5	1382	162	65.80	1447	95.50	6	5	1	130	52
KM Jadhav	16	8	5	171	61*	57.00	164	104.26	0	1	0	16	3
S Dhawan	26	26	2	1134	127	47.25	1169	97.00	3	4	1	154	12
AT Rayudu	17	16	5	516	100	46.90	588	87.75	1	3	2	43	13
MS Dhoni	25	17	5	516	87*	43.00	682	75.65	0	3	1	33	6

 

Among the specialist batsmen, who played at least 15 games in the last 12 months, he has the lowest average (despite the most number of not outs (31%) among those who batted 10 innings. Jadhav has the most not outs (62%) when you consider innings batted) 

Edited January 31, 2019 by zen

[sandeep]

13 minutes ago, zen said:

Note that Rayudu has played a sizeable number of games in the last 12 months 

 

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V Kohli	20	20	5	1503	160*	100.20	1532	98.10	7	4	0	145	16
RG Sharma	26	26	5	1382	162	65.80	1447	95.50	6	5	1	130	52
KM Jadhav	16	8	5	171	61*	57.00	164	104.26	0	1	0	16	3
S Dhawan	26	26	2	1134	127	47.25	1169	97.00	3	4	1	154	12
AT Rayudu	17	16	5	516	100	46.90	588	87.75	1	3	2	43	13
MS Dhoni	25	17	5	516	87*	43.00	682	75.65	0	3	1	33	6

 

Among the specialist batsmen, who played at least 15 games in the last 12 months, he has the lowest average (despite the most number of not outs (31%) among those who batted 10 innings. Jadhav has the most not outs (62%) when you consider innings batted) 

I'm not saying rayudu's done well.  See the Karthik thread - For the WC, I'm perfectly happy to see him dropped and have Jadhav slot in at #5 since we are saddled with greybeard.  

 

But for THIS game, leave him there, keep the same team and SPANK the kiwis.

Edited January 31, 2019 by sandeep

[prudent_kreeda]

Would like to see what our GREAT Coach comes up with to counter Boult . 

Wll be watching what changes the batters bring in to counter in dippers ?

Think 

1. They should take guard around leg stump or bit outside and should be around leg stump even after their trigger movement . 

     Also stance could be  little open facing the bowler .

This should allow them to bring the bat down covering the inward movement rather than playing around the pad and getting LBW. 

2. Be ready for incoming balls  mostly , if he takes balls away do not try to play them as fas as possible.

3. That may mean keeping your off stump unguarded . That should be Okay - When a leftie pitches the ball  outside of stump from over the wicket, it will not swing in that much to take off stump.

4. Do not play the hook shot initially. 

5. May take guard outside the crease . Only VK does that often . Do not see others will do that.

6. Do not try to flick those in dippers if he sets a field like today with short mid wicket & shot sqaure leg. 

 

Basically play him watchfully for 4-5 overs , do not give him wickets and try to compensate by attacking others .

 

Lets see what our great Coach  comes up with on Sunday ....

 

Edited January 31, 2019 by prudent_kreeda