BCCI-ICC Saga Why isolating the BCCI is bad politics

[horizonspeaks]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/1082858.html

 

Quoting only a part, the entire article is a nice read ...

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Just as there is no exact science with which to determine which country contributes how much to the ICC's central revenue, there cannot be an exact formula for distribution of revenue. There seems to a consensus that the BCCI, cricket's largest economy by a distance, ought to receive the largest share.

What that share should be is a matter of perspective. There is a view, which I share, that the wealth should be shared more equitably so that nations disadvantaged by the size of their fan base or economic conditions are able to sustain a certain level in the game, since the global game isn't sustainable with only three or four major players.

The other view, which finds wide resonance in India, is that a 20% share for the BCCI is hardly unreasonable, given that it contributes nearly four times more to the global cricket economy than any other country, and it has to support an infrastructure many times the size of any other, given the geographical vastness and the population of the country.

It's an argument that can be settled only through negotiation.

There was indeed an opportunity for engagement. Under Manohar's brief presidency, the BCCI itself had agreed to a reduction of its share, with only one dissenting voice. But as ICC chairman, Manohar chose to exclude the BCCI from the committee formed to revise the financial model, while co-opting members of the ECB and the CA. Is any significant global trade negotiation conceivable without the US at the table?

And do the rest now expect the BCCI, or even the court-appointed committee of administrators, to simply accept a figure that has been arrived at in good faith? Of course, international cricket survives on inter-dependency, and the IPL could never have reached the heights it has without the participation of global stars, but just as Indian cricket cannot flourish in isolation, cricket's global revenues will simply collapse without India's participation.

Over the last couple of weeks I have spoken to several senior officials of the ICC's global broadcaster and there is unanimity over the assessment that the Indian market alone contributes nearly 70% of the value of the rights; if you include the various Indian diasporas, that figure is in the region of 80%. India's withdrawal from the Champions Trophy is unthinkable, and the consequences will be disastrous for all concerned, but the Members Participation Agreement, signed in 2014, does give them the right to do so, and the broadcast agreement does allow the broadcasters to pull out in such an eventuality.

 

 

 

[Malcolm Merlyn]

The CoA must pull out of the CT.

[horizonspeaks]

21 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

The CoA must pull out of the CT.

Or at least start using it as a threat. I still believe they will become rational once the threat is used ...

[Malcolm Merlyn]

5 minutes ago, horizonspeaks said:

Or at least start using it as a threat. I still believe they will become rational once the threat is used ...

 

Problem is that a Banker,a CAG,a little known smally fry women's cricketer and a Nehruvian Historian are incapable of doing this.

[horizonspeaks]

50 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Problem is that a Banker,a CAG,a little known smally fry women's cricketer and a Nehruvian Historian are incapable of doing this.

The rep from BCCI are Anirudh, Amitabh and Vikram. Except for the last one, other two should stand up. Also the state representatives should explain & convince them. We can also write articles and try to get them into some sort of agreement ... 

[mishra]

IMO IPL period will bring a lot of back channel talks and agreements.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

38 minutes ago, horizonspeaks said:

The rep from BCCI are Anirudh, Amitabh and Vikram. Except for the last one, other two should stand up. Also the state representatives should explain & convince them. We can also write articles and try to get them into some sort of agreement ... 

 

Afaik Limaye represented BCCI in ICC.Its his name as the offcial director on ICC list.10state associations have moved the SC on this.Lets see.

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Problem is that a Banker,a CAG,a little known smally fry women's cricketer and a Nehruvian Historian are incapable of doing this.

Kindly abhor making political comments here. Let's please stick to cricket only.

[Malcolm Merlyn]

Kindly abhor making political comments here. Let's please stick to cricket only.

 

What is a political statement here?

[Rightarmfast]

check again

[Malcolm Merlyn]

check again

 

Why dont you tell me?

[sandeep]

6 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

 

Problem is that a Banker,a CAG,a little known smally fry women's cricketer and a Nehruvian Historian are incapable of doing this.

These guys are temporary stewards and are there to keep things running.  By definition, they will not be empowered or confident enough to take strong stands on any issue.  ECB has got its timing right to ambush BCCI.  But picture abhi baaki hai.  

 

Champions trophy boycott is a nuclear weapon, no need to invoke it as a first resort.  What BCCI needs is a proper strategy and a quick implementation - reaching out to the boards whose vote it needs to lock down.  In order  to do this, they need to have their medium term scheduling confirmed, so that they can confidently offer up carrots of additional games and tours to these boards.  Hard to do that in all this turmoil, but not impossible.  

[mishra]

http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/india-may-not-play-champions-trophy-because-bcci-wants-to-teach-icc-a-lesson-270803.html

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Should the Supreme Court see reason and the Committee of Administrators play ball, India can well bring out the ace up its sleeve.

 

BCCI's Members Participation Agreement (MPA) with the ICC clearly states that should their interests not be upheld, they are free to walk away. India's pulling out is not something world cricket will merely sit and watch. Under former president Anurag Thakur, BCCI had already begun threatening the same until the SC order cracked a different whip altogether.

 

[mishra]

BCCI is sending a team to Bangladesh for emerging Cup where India will play against Pakistan. Its organised under ACC and players have to be younger than 23 and 4 can be from national squad

[Ironhide]

3 hours ago, mishra said:

http://www.indiatimes.com/sports/india-may-not-play-champions-trophy-because-bcci-wants-to-teach-icc-a-lesson-270803.html

 

Old Feb3 article. Meeting described in this article was done and dusted and no threats were issues by the lameduck caretaker BCCI official.

Edited February 17, 2017 by Ironhide

[horizonspeaks]

1 hour ago, Ironhide said:

Old Feb3 article. Meeting described in this article was done and dusted and no threats were issues by the lameduck caretaker BCCI official.

The last time CoA talked about it they said that they will bargain for more time (till June) to discuss it. In case they are honest and really are up to Indian interest, then I would give them a benefit of doubt. What I understand us, they will allow India to play in Champions Trophy but will use T20 WC in 2018 & ODI WC in 2019 as bargains. That would buy them longer time. 

[sandeep]

27 minutes ago, Stumped said:

There is no T20 WC in 2018.

None announced yet.  

[sandeep]

37 minutes ago, Stumped said:

Surely too late to be announced now, talk of it seems to have died since it was suggested at a meeting early last year.

If they schedule for summer 2018, more than 15 months away.  They could finalize in the next 4 months and still have 12 months left.  There's going to be a lot of horse-trading before the ICC "revenue model" is finalized.  I find it highly unlikely that a bargaining chip the size of a T20 world cup will be left unused.  

[Vilander]

one should just read the comments section for the putrid hate that pak scum have for us, there are some who pretend to be aussie but their names betray their true source '786'lol. Some posters from BD seem to be supporting India strangely. BCCI should know whom to protect from now on, and who to earmark for punishment.

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, sandeep said:

These guys are temporary stewards and are there to keep things running.  By definition, they will not be empowered or confident enough to take strong stands on any issue.  ECB has got its timing right to ambush BCCI.  But picture abhi baaki hai.  

 

Champions trophy boycott is a nuclear weapon, no need to invoke it as a first resort.  What BCCI needs is a proper strategy and a quick implementation - reaching out to the boards whose vote it needs to lock down.  In order  to do this, they need to have their medium term scheduling confirmed, so that they can confidently offer up carrots of additional games and tours to these boards.  Hard to do that in all this turmoil, but not impossible.  

ECB must be punished for their backstabbing.