Is Saha good enough as a keeper to be in XI despite very poor batting?

[Sidhoni]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Did you look at Saha vs MSD overseas stats?-Saha is slightly ahead but then doesn't mean much-Agreed

 

MSD batting in SC conditions is a bonus- agreed again. but in SC our top order is good enough to out bat teams 8/10 times and Ashwin,Jadeja and Saha are decent enough to contribute

 

Also MSD batted with 6 top prder bats...Saha has been playing with 5 bats....

so different pressure altogether.

 

Keeping Saha is better...To spin MSD is slightly ahead agreed again but to pace Saha is miles ahead. 

 

This is not a MSD vs Saha thread and I don't want this to go in that direction which I think you are steering it in.

 

But the point is Saha is terrific with the glove work and for small pleasure of life if we carried other keepers in the past,worth persisting with Saha.

Precisely.

 

But it was mentioned Saha is almost as good as Dhoni when it comes to batting. 

 

Also try replying to the post rather than the poster, I only said Ashwin comes in ahead of him how do you bring Dhoni in this lol.

[WC2011INDIA]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Some people are getting insecure about MSD even though the guy is retired-Done....move on.

 

Any alternatives for Saha

 

has Saha been bad in his primary job of keeping wickets?

 

any useful contribution in that aspect?-No Pappu,Karthik suggestions please

 

 

 

MSD's chela Ishan Kishan.

[Sidhoni]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Some people are getting insecure about MSD even though the guy is retired-Done....move on.

 

Any alternatives for Saha

 

has Saha been bad in his primary job of keeping wickets?

 

any useful contribution in that aspect?-No Pappu,Karthik suggestions please

 

 

 

Naman Ojha

Rishabh Pant

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, express bowling said:

I did not say he is better than Ashwin.  

 

I said that his batting average in the last  1 year is better than Ashwin  ( who has batted well too  and averages 36.7 in the last 1 year )

I will have to agree...Saha is an average bat...doesn't have the x factor MSD had with "the bat did in SC conditions".

 

If you want a bat,might as well keep with Uthappa or Rayudu to accommodate a batsmen-doesn't work that way.

 

You need a frontline keeper and I have no doubts that right now Saha is the best in the country.

 

If Pant or Kishen are even 80% as good as Saha,given their dream starts in FC-Get them in right now.

 

Till then stick with Saha and treat his runs as bonus.

[maniac]

Ojha is not a good option...he is just Saha part-2. Even Saha has killer innings with the bat in FC and has a IPL 100 if that is your benchmark.

 

Need to get Pant or Kishen but need to try them out against weaker teams....missed the bus with that Bangladesh game. Hope they are quality glove-men.

 

All my Hopes right now with Pant

[maniac]

5 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

Precisely.

 

But it was mentioned Saha is almost as good as Dhoni when it comes to batting. 

 

Also try replying to the post rather than the poster, I only said Ashwin comes in ahead of him how do you bring Dhoni in this lol.

No it was said no difference between Saha and MSD's batting overseas

 

 

 

 

[Sidhoni]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

Ojha is not a good option...he is just Saha part-2. Even Saha has killer innings with the bat in FC and has a IPL 100 if that is your benchmark.

 

Need to get Pant or Kishen but need to try them out against weaker teams....missed the bus with that Bangladesh game. Hope they are quality glove-men.

 

All my Hopes right now with Pant

Ojha has done well on A tours too. How do we know how good is he if we don't give him a chance? 

[maniac]

Just now, Sidhoni said:

Ojha has done well on A tours too. How do we know how good is he if we don't give him a chance? 

Same A tour where even Umesh Yadav scored a 100 with the bat.

 

Have seen him enough...he is not that much better than Saha...sure can be tried but what is the point when Saha has not been that bad?

 

Sure if the intention is to blood a youngster in,I am all up for it

[Sidhoni]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

The only problem with Saha is that he has a weak and timid aura around him and hence is a soft target. How easily people forget his knocks in the past year and a half that bailed us out of tricky situations? Just because he has failed this series until now doesn't mean he is no good? Even Ashwin hasn't fired with the bat yet this series but that doesn't make him a bad batsman.

 

As a complete package Saha is better than Dhoni. He is at least 90% as good a test batsman as MSD ever was and a far better keeper (Plus MSD's captaicy alone fetches him negative points ). A good keeper is essential for the bowler to bowl to his potential. Recall the England series where Patel's blunders irritated the hell out of our bowlers and made them lose their rhythm. With a poor catching unit like ours we can't afford to have a poor keeper. Else we may need to pick up 30 wickets every test to win and no amount of runs can compensate that. 

 

Just now, maniac said:

No it was said no difference between Saha and MSD's batting overseas

 

 

 

 

Go ahead. Run away again.

[express bowling]

12 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

Take out Bangladesh and his average falls down to 31 which is only better than Jadeja's 27.5

Take out this current  low scoring series too, where almost all our top batters are failing,  and  Saha's  average is 40.7.... above Vijay and Dhawan

Edited March 6, 2017 by express bowling

[maniac]

Just now, Sidhoni said:

 

Go ahead. Run away again.

I am not a lawyer for another poster. I agree with the gist that Saha as a keeper is an overall upgrade...as a batsman in SC a downgrade...overseas it is equal...so 90% statement might be fairer than it seems.

 

Anyway let us talk about what I said-I stand by it because it is the harsh truth.

[BeautifulGame]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Take out this current  low scoring series too, where almost all our top batters are failing,  and  Saha's  average is 40.7.... above Vijay and Dhawan

We get it he can score against Bangladesh.

 

But we also need someone who can score against the likes of England South Africa or Australia.

 

What that means is Saha can't score against good teams .Basically a throwback to the era's of Mongias and Ajay Rathras 

[BeautifulGame]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

I am not a lawyer for another poster. I agree with the gist that Saha as a keeper is an overall upgrade...as a batsman in SC a downgrade...overseas it is equal...so 90% statement might be fairer than it seems.

 

Anyway let us talk about what I said-I stand by it because it is the harsh truth.

No it isn't.

 

 

[maniac]

Just now, BeautifulGame said:

No it isn't.

 

 

I can't keep throwing the mic down. and damaging it...so I will leave you to whatever floats your boat

 

[Sidhoni]

6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Take out this current  low scoring series too, where almost all our top batters are failing,  and  Saha's  average is 40.7.... above Vijay and Dhawan

I took out Bangladesh because they are minnows. Why would you take out Australia?

5 minutes ago, maniac said:

I am not a lawyer for another poster. I agree with the gist that Saha as a keeper is an overall upgrade...as a batsman in SC a downgrade...overseas it is equal...so 90% statement might be fairer than it seems.

 

Anyway let us talk about what I said-I stand by it because it is the harsh truth.

You were the one blaming me for trying to bring in Dhoni when in reality the post of mine you quoted had nothing to do with him. I gave you proper reason for bringing him in and now you are saying you are not a lawyer.

 

Btw what happened to the open challenge?

[BeautifulGame]

I can't keep throwing the mic down. and damaging it...so I will leave you to whatever floats your boat

 

 

You can always

 

One thing I do agree is Saha is a far superior test batsman than Rohit.

 

Saha averages 44 in SriLanka , Rohit averages 33.

Saha averages 51 in West Indies , Rohit a staggering 25.

 

And Rohit is a specialist batsman

 

Let's hope you never ever ask for Rohit back into the test team ever again.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Sidhoni said:

I took out Bangladesh because they are minnows. Why would you take out Australia?

You were the one blaming me for trying to bring in Dhoni when in reality the post of mine you quoted had nothing to do with him. I gave you proper reason for bringing him in and now you are saying you are not a lawyer.

 

Btw what happened to the open challenge?

I saw the notification that I was replied to...I opened the thread thinking it was going to be a subjective debate with analysis bit it turned out the usual hero-worship and personal attack post   

 

instead of throwing random names from the top of the had to replace Saha-Can you tell me why he needs to be replaced?

[express bowling]

14 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said:

We get it he can score against Bangladesh.

 

But we also need someone who can score against the likes of England South Africa or Australia.

 

What that means is Saha can't score against good teams .Basically a throwback to the era's of Mongias and Ajay Rathras 

 

Saha batted very well in both innings on a very difficult Eden gardens pitch against New Zealand and got the man of the match award too.  Played  two unbeaten 50+ innings.

 

He scored a century in the WI with his team in trouble.

 

He has never played against South Africa after his improvement as an international batsman in the last 1 year.

 

Let this series finish, we can forma a better idea against Australia then. The pitches we have got so far in this series have had even our top batsmen tottering. Why single out the wicket-keeper !

 

 

Edited March 6, 2017 by express bowling

[express bowling]

16 minutes ago, Sidhoni said:

I took out Bangladesh because they are minnows. Why would you take out Australia?

 

Because all our batsmen, apart from Rahul,  have failed in the 3 innings Saha has failed in.   The pitches were really difficult to bat on for anybody at the times Saha batted.  

Edited March 6, 2017 by express bowling

[Sidhoni]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

I saw the notification that I was replied to...I opened the thread thinking it was going to be a subjective debate with analysis bit it turned out the usual hero-worship and personal attack post   

 

instead of throwing random names from the top of the had to replace Saha-Can you tell me why he needs to be replaced?

Such delusions wow. Whatever helps you sleep at night lol.

 

Because we can't afford a keeper who is not good with the bat if we are playing 5 bowlers. Increases workload on our best wicket taker as well who needs to bat ahead of him. And fatigue is showing in Ashwin's bowling this series too.