Why are players always rated on the basis of their test performances only

[Ultimate_Game]

21 hours ago, chewy said:

it's a cliche, but Test format is true test of player's ability and mental strength...both batsman or bowler

a batsman surviving on tricky pitches with no over limits on opposition bowlers

a bowler tolling on flat tracks

 

in ODIs and T20s, a player's weakness can only be exploited for short periods

Don't agree with the bolded part. Shorter formats bring abilities such as strike rotation to the fore which isn't quite that easy. taking 1s and 2s off good deliveries is a skill in itself not required in Tests. That's why somebody like Laxman couldn't succeed in odis. As for mental strength it takes a lot of mental strength chasing a target and keeping abreast of the RR. If it had been as easy a hack like Afridi would have been an ATG. Shorter formats, especially odis, is not all about whacking deliveries on flat pattas.

 

You simply have to watch guys like Bevan, Dhoni or Kohli to see how to build odi innings, how to master running between the wkts, the stamina & athleticism required for the same and the mental strength to win while chasing even though the target and RR was always against your side nearly the whole time. There's a reason why someone like Kohli is gun while chasing in shorter formats - coz he's mentally strong and literally nerveless. That quality is extremely rare and is not needed in Tests.

[MechEng]

18 hours ago, Pollack said:

Personal opinion: I rate ODI's most.

Cricket is as much about skills as it is about temperament.A player with little to no skills can get away in tests but a player with no temperament cannot get away in ODIs though he can in t20s.

ODI>Test>>>>>>>>>>>T20

Yeah, I've always found ODIs to be a balance between tests and t20s. But why do you say that a player with no skill can get away in tests?

[MechEng]

7 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Don't agree with the bolded part. Shorter formats bring abilities such as strike rotation to the fore which isn't quite that easy. taking 1s and 2s off good deliveries is a skill in itself not required in Tests. That's why somebody like Laxman couldn't succeed in odis. As for mental strength it takes a lot of mental strength chasing a target and keeping abreast of the RR. If it had been as easy a hack like Afridi would have been an ATG. Shorter formats, especially odis, is not all about whacking deliveries on flat pattas.

 

You simply have to watch guys like Bevan, Dhoni or Kohli to see how to build odi innings, how to master running between the wkts, the stamina & athleticism required for the same and the mental strength to win while chasing even though the target and RR was always against your side nearly the whole time. There's a reason why someone like Kohli is gun while chasing in shorter formats - coz he's mentally strong and literally nerveless. That quality is extremely rare and is not needed in Tests.

Talking about mental strength, Dhoni's massive six at Adelaide ODI in 2012 while chasing and his 100 against Pakistan when Junaid Khan had us reeling at 20 odd for 5. 

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

Yeah, I've always found ODIs to be a balance between tests and t20s. But why do you say that a player with no skill can get away in tests?

A bit of exaggeration, I admit. A player with not many strokes to play and score is skill-less is the assumption. Because at the end of the day if only survival skills,stamina and concentration are to be tested then there are better sports than cricket. Cricket is nothing without the concept of  'runs'. One may argue defence is also a skill which a test batsman posses. True but it mostly comes into picture on green mambas.On rank turner's attack is the best form of defence because your so called defence skill still cannot save your arse. On normal spin pitch defence is exaggerated. Odi is the right balance between the two extremes where everything is required in sufficient amounts.Not to forget it actually yields some result -win or loss[rarely tie]. 

[New guy]

On 3/22/2017 at 8:46 PM, MechEng said:

Dravid cannot score 100 odd runs in last 10 overs of a limited overs cricket (remember Pakistan game in Champions trophy 2009?), even though he's very good in LOI's.

 

 

Er because he is not a finisher? Many loi openers cannot

[chewy]

11 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Don't agree with the bolded part. Shorter formats bring abilities such as strike rotation to the fore which isn't quite that easy. taking 1s and 2s off good deliveries is a skill in itself not required in Tests. That's why somebody like Laxman couldn't succeed in odis. As for mental strength it takes a lot of mental strength chasing a target and keeping abreast of the RR. If it had been as easy a hack like Afridi would have been an ATG. Shorter formats, especially odis, is not all about whacking deliveries on flat pattas.

 

You simply have to watch guys like Bevan, Dhoni or Kohli to see how to build odi innings, how to master running between the wkts, the stamina & athleticism required for the same and the mental strength to win while chasing even though the target and RR was always against your side nearly the whole time. There's a reason why someone like Kohli is gun while chasing in shorter formats - coz he's mentally strong and literally nerveless. That quality is extremely rare and is not needed in Tests.

But that's why Afridi was even more hopeless in Tests with both bat and ball, at least in ODIs he good with the bowl

 

also we tend to overlook bowlers, many bowlers become ineffective in Tests because the batsmens' approach is different in Tests then limited overs, so takes highly skilled, physically demanding, and mental strength again to be a successful bower in Tests

 

overall for combined judging of batsmen and bowlers it is always Tests first

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

Er because he is not a finisher? Many loi openers cannot

Another way to look at it is that Dravid cannot shift gears like say  Jayasuria to play big shots when situation asks for it.

[Sachinism]

On 3/22/2017 at 3:16 PM, MechEng said:

Dravid cannot score 100 odd runs in last 10 overs of a limited overs cricket (remember Pakistan game in Champions trophy 2009?), even though he's very good in LOI's.

 

 

Say what?