Kohli vs Sachin . Can we stop this embarrassing comparison (POLL)

[kira]

1 minute ago, Dada's Army said:

Another few years like this will put Kohli at 49+ centuries in a significant less time, which will put Kohli in a completely different league.

Did you even watch cricket in the 90s? Playing conditions are completely different now, comparing stats at face value is heights of stupidity, kohli is currently matching sachin's peak of the 90s but he needs to continue the same for a few years to match or surpass sachin, it won't put him in different league 

[Vijy]

7 minutes ago, Dada's Army said:

Here's some interesting stats comparison for both after 205 ODIs:

Sachin 

MATCHES 205

INNINGS 198

NO 19

RUNS 7593

HS 143

AVG 42.41

SR 86.08

100s- 20

50s- 43

 

Kohli

MATCHES 205

INNINGS 197

NO 34

RUNS 9348

HS 183

AVG 57.34

91.89

100s-34

50s- 45

 

 

Sachin only has Kohli beat on SR. He played his first ODI in 1989 and 205th ODI in 1998 so I would put an average SR of 86 during that time at around 105 in today's terms. Kohli's got Sachin on everything else, quite comfortably. You can say Sachin faced better bowlers , opened the batting for the majority of that time,  faced a reversing ball more often, but when you account Kohli's significant better chasing than Sachin( at least 5x), I'm gonna say Kohli has surpassed Sachin as an ODI batsman.

 

Except for the fact that SRT sucked as a middle-order batsman. He began opening around 75 matches into his career. You mentioned that Sachin has VK beat in SR, but that isn't true (86 vs 92).

[kira]

No one was near sachin's avg x strike rate combo at his peak

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MG Bevan (AUS)	1998-2003	157	127	45	4620	107	56.34	6244	73.99	4	33	4	311	17
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1998-2003	148	145	15	6851	186*	52.70	7572	90.47	24	28	6	740	83
DR Martyn (AUS)	1998-2003	122	103	36	3109	144*	46.40	3912	79.47	5	18	4	255	13
JH Kallis (SA)	1998-2003	156	148	25	5703	125*	46.36	8013	71.17	10	39	6	443	74
L Klusener (SA)	1998-2003	131	105	44	2814	103*	46.13	3073	91.57	2	15	10	217	67
RG Twose (NZ)	1999-2001	62	57	11	2067	103	44.93	2668	77.47	1	16	4	195	30
ML Hayden (AUS)	2000-2003	67	64	10	2417	146	44.75	2966	81.49	2	16	5	245	38
RT Ponting (AUS)	1998-2003	150	146	21	5578	145	44.62	7050	79.12	13	28	7	484	67
RR Sarwan (WI)	2000-2003	49	46	11	1551	102*	44.31	1977	78.45	1	7	2	127	15
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1998-2003	186	182	15	7357	183	44.05	9619	76.48	21	40	8	735	136
A Jadeja (INDIA)	1998-2000	83	79	23	2463	116*	43.98	3332	73.91	4	13	4	162	44
HH Dippenaar (SA)	1999-2003	67	56	9	2066	110*	43.95	3163	65.31	1	18	2	199	11
Mohammad Yousuf (PAK)	1998-2003	154	146	22	5328	141*	42.96	7228	73.71	9	34	12	422	59
R Dravid (INDIA)	1998-2003	163	151	21	5300	153	40.76	7598	69.75	7	35	3	449	20
DS Lehmann (AUS)	1998-2003	97	85	19	2687	119	40.71	3283	81.84	4	14	3	198	13
NV Knight (ENG)	1998-2003	84	84	7	3115	122	40.45	4388	70.98	3	24	5	281	20
ME Waugh (AUS)	1998-2002	105	102	9	3755	173	40.37	4984	75.34	7	22	6	321	22
CH Gayle (WI)	1999-2003	83	81	3	3131	153*	40.14	3936	79.54	7	20	6	383	45
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1998-2003	151	139	22	4656	121*	39.79	6473	71.92	4	34	11	375	60
JN Rhodes (SA)	1998-2003	127	110	30	3138	107*	39.22	3645	86.09	1	21	8	236	28
BC Lara (WI)	1998-2003	99	96	11	3288	117	38.68	4082	80.54	7	18	6	325	58
MS Atapattu (SL)	1998-2003	165	163	19	5561	132*	38.61	8212	67.71	9	38	8	475	11
ND McKenzie (SA)	2000-2003	59	51	10	1580	131*	38.53	2267	69.69	2	9	2	133	8

 

 

 

Kohli has a lot of competition from ab devlliars during his peak

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2018	107	102	21	5294	160*	65.35	5456	97.03	21	23	5	483	78
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2017	92	87	17	4340	176	62.00	3858	112.49	12	24	2	356	114
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	67	64	8	3319	169	59.26	3611	91.91	11	20	5	340	31
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2018	89	88	10	4394	264	56.33	4790	91.73	14	21	4	406	141
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2018	85	83	18	3555	119*	54.69	4337	81.96	11	20	3	301	31
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2015-2018	30	27	7	1030	141*	51.50	1088	94.66	2	6	2	104	10
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2018	41	40	5	1789	125*	51.11	2123	84.26	7	7	1	142	17
DA Warner (AUS)	2013-2018	68	67	4	3219	179	51.09	3113	103.40	12	11	1	341	57
JE Root (ENG)	2013-2018	97	92	12	4063	133*	50.78	4668	87.03	10	25	4	317	33
AT Rayudu (INDIA)	2013-2016	34	30	9	1055	124*	50.23	1383	76.28	2	6	1	90	13
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2018	86	85	11	3707	237*	50.09	4024	92.12	11	16	6	390	105
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2018	96	74	21	2653	139*	50.05	2986	88.84	2	19	2	210	64
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2018	87	85	5	3999	123	49.98	4691	85.24	7	30	2	385	33
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2018	88	85	10	3738	185	49.84	4224	88.49	9	24	3	324	50
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	75	73	7	3284	161*	49.75	3780	86.87	8	18	2	386	10
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2018	75	72	8	3051	164	47.67	3535	86.30	8	19	3	262	28
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2018	94	93	6	4131	137	47.48	4382	94.27	12	24	2	510	51
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2018	106	93	23	3323	139*	47.47	3967	83.76	2	22	4	272	60
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK)	2013-2015	53	51	7	2070	96*	47.04	2795	74.06	0	22	3	132	44
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2018	61	59	4	2556	132	46.47	3330	76.75	6	17	4	275	29
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2018	87	87	5	3786	178	46.17	4007	94.48	13	15	2	430	53
EC Joyce (IRE)	2013-2018	42	41	7	1561	160*	45.91	2033	76.78	5	6	2	148	19
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2018	98	97	5	4192	159	45.56	4796	87.40	16	15	2	431	34

[putrevus]

 CTs Kohli overwhelms Tendulkar by wide margin, Tendulkar went missing from CTs.34 hundreds in 204 matches is not just great it is almost Bradmanesque. Tendulkar is not even picture now when compared to this guy.He is best Indian test captain and best odi player .

 

It is just matter of time Kohli rectifies two anomalies in his resume. Test series in England and World cup knock centuries.He is too good a player.

 

Tendulkar in CT 2002

5

4

2

39

16

19.50

87

44.82

 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, kira said:

No one was near sachin's avg x strike rate combo at his peak

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
MG Bevan (AUS)	1998-2003	157	127	45	4620	107	56.34	6244	73.99	4	33	4	311	17
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1998-2003	148	145	15	6851	186*	52.70	7572	90.47	24	28	6	740	83
DR Martyn (AUS)	1998-2003	122	103	36	3109	144*	46.40	3912	79.47	5	18	4	255	13
JH Kallis (SA)	1998-2003	156	148	25	5703	125*	46.36	8013	71.17	10	39	6	443	74
L Klusener (SA)	1998-2003	131	105	44	2814	103*	46.13	3073	91.57	2	15	10	217	67
RG Twose (NZ)	1999-2001	62	57	11	2067	103	44.93	2668	77.47	1	16	4	195	30
ML Hayden (AUS)	2000-2003	67	64	10	2417	146	44.75	2966	81.49	2	16	5	245	38
RT Ponting (AUS)	1998-2003	150	146	21	5578	145	44.62	7050	79.12	13	28	7	484	67
RR Sarwan (WI)	2000-2003	49	46	11	1551	102*	44.31	1977	78.45	1	7	2	127	15
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1998-2003	186	182	15	7357	183	44.05	9619	76.48	21	40	8	735	136
A Jadeja (INDIA)	1998-2000	83	79	23	2463	116*	43.98	3332	73.91	4	13	4	162	44
HH Dippenaar (SA)	1999-2003	67	56	9	2066	110*	43.95	3163	65.31	1	18	2	199	11
Mohammad Yousuf (PAK)	1998-2003	154	146	22	5328	141*	42.96	7228	73.71	9	34	12	422	59
R Dravid (INDIA)	1998-2003	163	151	21	5300	153	40.76	7598	69.75	7	35	3	449	20
DS Lehmann (AUS)	1998-2003	97	85	19	2687	119	40.71	3283	81.84	4	14	3	198	13
NV Knight (ENG)	1998-2003	84	84	7	3115	122	40.45	4388	70.98	3	24	5	281	20
ME Waugh (AUS)	1998-2002	105	102	9	3755	173	40.37	4984	75.34	7	22	6	321	22
CH Gayle (WI)	1999-2003	83	81	3	3131	153*	40.14	3936	79.54	7	20	6	383	45
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1998-2003	151	139	22	4656	121*	39.79	6473	71.92	4	34	11	375	60
JN Rhodes (SA)	1998-2003	127	110	30	3138	107*	39.22	3645	86.09	1	21	8	236	28
BC Lara (WI)	1998-2003	99	96	11	3288	117	38.68	4082	80.54	7	18	6	325	58
MS Atapattu (SL)	1998-2003	165	163	19	5561	132*	38.61	8212	67.71	9	38	8	475	11
ND McKenzie (SA)	2000-2003	59	51	10	1580	131*	38.53	2267	69.69	2	9	2	133	8

 

 

 

Kohli has a lot of competition from ab devlliars during his peak

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2018	107	102	21	5294	160*	65.35	5456	97.03	21	23	5	483	78
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2017	92	87	17	4340	176	62.00	3858	112.49	12	24	2	356	114
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	67	64	8	3319	169	59.26	3611	91.91	11	20	5	340	31
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2018	89	88	10	4394	264	56.33	4790	91.73	14	21	4	406	141
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2018	85	83	18	3555	119*	54.69	4337	81.96	11	20	3	301	31
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2015-2018	30	27	7	1030	141*	51.50	1088	94.66	2	6	2	104	10
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2018	41	40	5	1789	125*	51.11	2123	84.26	7	7	1	142	17
DA Warner (AUS)	2013-2018	68	67	4	3219	179	51.09	3113	103.40	12	11	1	341	57
JE Root (ENG)	2013-2018	97	92	12	4063	133*	50.78	4668	87.03	10	25	4	317	33
AT Rayudu (INDIA)	2013-2016	34	30	9	1055	124*	50.23	1383	76.28	2	6	1	90	13
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2018	86	85	11	3707	237*	50.09	4024	92.12	11	16	6	390	105
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2018	96	74	21	2653	139*	50.05	2986	88.84	2	19	2	210	64
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2018	87	85	5	3999	123	49.98	4691	85.24	7	30	2	385	33
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2018	88	85	10	3738	185	49.84	4224	88.49	9	24	3	324	50
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	75	73	7	3284	161*	49.75	3780	86.87	8	18	2	386	10
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2018	75	72	8	3051	164	47.67	3535	86.30	8	19	3	262	28
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2018	94	93	6	4131	137	47.48	4382	94.27	12	24	2	510	51
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2018	106	93	23	3323	139*	47.47	3967	83.76	2	22	4	272	60
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK)	2013-2015	53	51	7	2070	96*	47.04	2795	74.06	0	22	3	132	44
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2018	61	59	4	2556	132	46.47	3330	76.75	6	17	4	275	29
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2018	87	87	5	3786	178	46.17	4007	94.48	13	15	2	430	53
EC Joyce (IRE)	2013-2018	42	41	7	1561	160*	45.91	2033	76.78	5	6	2	148	19
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2018	98	97	5	4192	159	45.56	4796	87.40	16	15	2	431	34

yes, this is a good point indeed. On Avg*SR, ABDV edges him out in the 5 yr span you selected.

[Rasgulla]

2 minutes ago, kira said:

Kohli is just half way through sachin's run tally, it will take another few years of consistency by kohli to surpass sachin the odi batsman, you guys are too easily influenced by the recency bias

57 vs 42 average.. consistency

 

Honey boo boo I know its hard to accept it for a bhakt like you.. He is already miles ahead. He is winning a series in RSA with his bat.. What ODI series did your gawddd ever win against big teams away in their country ? 

 

Poor MTC tried his luck with CB series.. Turned out Gambo was the highest scorer and Praveen kumar was the MOM in one of the Finals. 

 

2002 Natwest - Turns out Dravid was the highest scorer 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 CTs Kohli overwhelms Tendulkar by wide margin, Tendulkar went missing from CTs.34 hundreds in 204 matches is not just great it is almost Bradmanesque. Tendulkar is not even picture now when compared to this guy.He is best Indian test captain and best odi player .

 

It is just matter of time Kohli rectifies two anomalies in his resume. Test series in England and World cup knock centuries.He is too good a player.

 

Tendulkar in CT 2002

5

4

2

39

16

19.50

87

44.82

 

34 100s in 197 innings = slightly less than 6 innings per 100. This rate is higher than many of his contemporaries, but Amla has virtually the same record.

 

Bradman scored a 100 every 2.7 innings or so. Smith is the closest I can think of, and he scores at around 4.8 an innings.

[Vijy]

7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 CTs Kohli overwhelms Tendulkar by wide margin, Tendulkar went missing from CTs.34 hundreds in 204 matches is not just great it is almost Bradmanesque. Tendulkar is not even picture now when compared to this guy.He is best Indian test captain and best odi player .

 

It is just matter of time Kohli rectifies two anomalies in his resume. Test series in England and World cup knock centuries.He is too good a player.

 

Tendulkar in CT 2002

5

4

2

39

16

19.50

87

44.82

 

Kohli also scored 49 runs in 6 innings vs Aus at home. He will need to improve his record on that front as well. These are the three areas he needs to fix (you covered the other 2) to be a complete player.

[putrevus]

Just now, Vijy said:

34 100s in 197 innings = slightly less than 6 innings per 100. This rate is higher than many of his contemporaries, but Amla has virtually the same record.

 

Bradman scored a 100 every 2.7 innings or so. Smith is the closest I can think of, and he scores at around 4.8 an innings.

I meant in odis, who has better rate of scoring hundreds than this guy, Amla is close but he is fading he is on his back end of his career and this guy is just entering his prime.

[velu]

10 minutes ago, kira said:

No one was near sachin's avg x strike rate combo at his peak

 

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MG Bevan (AUS)	1998-2003	157	127	45	4620	107	56.34	6244	73.99	4	33	4	311	17
SR Tendulkar (INDIA)	1998-2003	148	145	15	6851	186*	52.70	7572	90.47	24	28	6	740	83
DR Martyn (AUS)	1998-2003	122	103	36	3109	144*	46.40	3912	79.47	5	18	4	255	13
JH Kallis (SA)	1998-2003	156	148	25	5703	125*	46.36	8013	71.17	10	39	6	443	74
L Klusener (SA)	1998-2003	131	105	44	2814	103*	46.13	3073	91.57	2	15	10	217	67
RG Twose (NZ)	1999-2001	62	57	11	2067	103	44.93	2668	77.47	1	16	4	195	30
ML Hayden (AUS)	2000-2003	67	64	10	2417	146	44.75	2966	81.49	2	16	5	245	38
RT Ponting (AUS)	1998-2003	150	146	21	5578	145	44.62	7050	79.12	13	28	7	484	67
RR Sarwan (WI)	2000-2003	49	46	11	1551	102*	44.31	1977	78.45	1	7	2	127	15
SC Ganguly (INDIA)	1998-2003	186	182	15	7357	183	44.05	9619	76.48	21	40	8	735	136
A Jadeja (INDIA)	1998-2000	83	79	23	2463	116*	43.98	3332	73.91	4	13	4	162	44
HH Dippenaar (SA)	1999-2003	67	56	9	2066	110*	43.95	3163	65.31	1	18	2	199	11
Mohammad Yousuf (PAK)	1998-2003	154	146	22	5328	141*	42.96	7228	73.71	9	34	12	422	59
R Dravid (INDIA)	1998-2003	163	151	21	5300	153	40.76	7598	69.75	7	35	3	449	20
DS Lehmann (AUS)	1998-2003	97	85	19	2687	119	40.71	3283	81.84	4	14	3	198	13
NV Knight (ENG)	1998-2003	84	84	7	3115	122	40.45	4388	70.98	3	24	5	281	20
ME Waugh (AUS)	1998-2002	105	102	9	3755	173	40.37	4984	75.34	7	22	6	321	22
CH Gayle (WI)	1999-2003	83	81	3	3131	153*	40.14	3936	79.54	7	20	6	383	45
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1998-2003	151	139	22	4656	121*	39.79	6473	71.92	4	34	11	375	60
JN Rhodes (SA)	1998-2003	127	110	30	3138	107*	39.22	3645	86.09	1	21	8	236	28
BC Lara (WI)	1998-2003	99	96	11	3288	117	38.68	4082	80.54	7	18	6	325	58
MS Atapattu (SL)	1998-2003	165	163	19	5561	132*	38.61	8212	67.71	9	38	8	475	11
ND McKenzie (SA)	2000-2003	59	51	10	1580	131*	38.53	2267	69.69	2	9	2	133	8

 

 

 

Kohli has a lot of competition from ab devlliars during his peak

 

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
V Kohli (INDIA)	2013-2018	107	102	21	5294	160*	65.35	5456	97.03	21	23	5	483	78
AB de Villiers (SA)	2013-2017	92	87	17	4340	176	62.00	3858	112.49	12	24	2	356	114
KC Sangakkara (SL)	2013-2015	67	64	8	3319	169	59.26	3611	91.91	11	20	5	340	31
RG Sharma (INDIA)	2013-2018	89	88	10	4394	264	56.33	4790	91.73	14	21	4	406	141
LRPL Taylor (NZ)	2013-2018	85	83	18	3555	119*	54.69	4337	81.96	11	20	3	301	31
JM Bairstow (ENG)	2015-2018	30	27	7	1030	141*	51.50	1088	94.66	2	6	2	104	10
Babar Azam (PAK)	2015-2018	41	40	5	1789	125*	51.11	2123	84.26	7	7	1	142	17
DA Warner (AUS)	2013-2018	68	67	4	3219	179	51.09	3113	103.40	12	11	1	341	57
JE Root (ENG)	2013-2018	97	92	12	4063	133*	50.78	4668	87.03	10	25	4	317	33
AT Rayudu (INDIA)	2013-2016	34	30	9	1055	124*	50.23	1383	76.28	2	6	1	90	13
MJ Guptill (NZ)	2013-2018	86	85	11	3707	237*	50.09	4024	92.12	11	16	6	390	105
MS Dhoni (INDIA)	2013-2018	96	74	21	2653	139*	50.05	2986	88.84	2	19	2	210	64
KS Williamson (NZ)	2013-2018	87	85	5	3999	123	49.98	4691	85.24	7	30	2	385	33
F du Plessis (SA)	2013-2018	88	85	10	3738	185	49.84	4224	88.49	9	24	3	324	50
TM Dilshan (SL)	2013-2016	75	73	7	3284	161*	49.75	3780	86.87	8	18	2	386	10
SPD Smith (AUS)	2014-2018	75	72	8	3051	164	47.67	3535	86.30	8	19	3	262	28
S Dhawan (INDIA)	2013-2018	94	93	6	4131	137	47.48	4382	94.27	12	24	2	510	51
AD Mathews (SL)	2013-2018	106	93	23	3323	139*	47.47	3967	83.76	2	22	4	272	60
Misbah-ul-Haq (PAK)	2013-2015	53	51	7	2070	96*	47.04	2795	74.06	0	22	3	132	44
Tamim Iqbal (BDESH)	2013-2018	61	59	4	2556	132	46.47	3330	76.75	6	17	4	275	29
Q de Kock (SA)	2013-2018	87	87	5	3786	178	46.17	4007	94.48	13	15	2	430	53
EC Joyce (IRE)	2013-2018	42	41	7	1561	160*	45.91	2033	76.78	5	6	2	148	19
HM Amla (SA)	2013-2018	98	97	5	4192	159	45.56	4796	87.40	16	15	2	431	34

 

this is a good indictaor , but we have to compare the peaks of other players as well ..

timeframe you selected is sachins peak and kohlis peak ..

 

sachins peak wont coincide with vuvs peak .. but probably kohli and abdv peak sort of coincides so far 

 

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I meant in odis, who has better rate of scoring hundreds than this guy, Amla is close but he is fading he is on his back end of his career and this guy is just entering his prime.

And he will also exit out of his prime, just as Amla is currently doing. Amla has a 100 every six innings (just like Kohli) despite the fact that he is clearly fading. Amongst others, de Kock has a 100 every 7 innings. Because we are seeing Kohli's purple patch, naturally his numbers look skewed. The same issue arose with SRT in 2002 when his Test avg was around 59. I remember Wisden (or some other cricket magazine) carrying out a naive and erroneous extrapolation based on his form over the past 4-5 yrs, and claiming that he would end with a Test avg of around 65-70.

 

Hence, in discussing current players, the effects of recency bias should not be ignored. As of now, there is no doubt that Kohli is the best ODI bat in the world, and that he will easily be amongst the frontrunners for the GOAT. We have to see for how long he sustains this run of form.

[Dada's Army]

18 minutes ago, kira said:

Did you even watch cricket in the 90s? Playing conditions are completely different now, comparing stats at face value is heights of stupidity, kohli is currently matching sachin's peak of the 90s but he needs to continue the same for a few years to match or surpass sachin, it won't put him in different league 

Actually, I didn't compare stats at face value- I adjusted his SR AND even listed many arguments to justify his numbers. You must not like to read. In ODIs, the fact is while sachin was an excellent ODI player, Kohli is a genius.

 

Sachin is ahead in Tests. Kohli hasn't scored everywhere yet.

[Rasgulla]

16 minutes ago, velu said:

 

this is a good indictaor , but we have to compare the peaks of other players as well ..

timeframe you selected is sachins peak and kohlis peak ..

 

sachins peak wont coincide with vuvs peak .. but probably kohli and abdv peak sort of coincides so far 

 

His argument is retarded.. like you already said not everyone peak at same time..  From one side he claims sachin faced quality bowling that's why he took 70+ innings to get his 1st 100 and his average and SR is low..Then he takes stats from 1998 to 2003 and compares that to 2013 to 2018.

 

 

Stick with one thing atleast..  I like the way he excluded 2012 when Kohli has 5 100s alone lmao

Edited February 7, 2018 by Rasgulla

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

And he will also exit out of his prime, just as Amla is currently doing. Amla has a 100 every six innings (just like Kohli) despite the fact that he is clearly fading. Amongst others, de Kock has a 100 every 7 innings. Because we are seeing Kohli's purple patch, naturally his numbers look skewed. The same issue arose with SRT in 2002 when his Test avg was around 59. I remember Wisden (or some other cricket magazine) carrying out a naive and erroneous extrapolation based on his form over the past 4-5 yrs, and claiming that he would end with a Test avg of around 65-70.

 

Hence, in discussing current players, the effects of recency bias should not be ignored. As of now, there is no doubt that Kohli is the best ODI bat in the world, and that he will easily be amongst the frontrunners for the GOAT. We have to see for how long he sustains this run of form.

No his numbers are not skewed at all, he will stay in his prime for at least couple of years.If he scores 5 hundreds per year, he will be already reaching Tendulkar.What more can anyone want from him.

 

He has already scored 12 hundreds as Odi captain in 44 matches.Captaincy has elevated his batting to next level. 

[putrevus]

This notion that Tendulkar somehow faced far superior bowlers and dominated them is totally ridiculous.Mcgrath owned him like anything.I cannot recollect any innings of worth against Ambrose.Pakistan he was consistent flop till he rectified to some extent after Akram retired to be fair to Tendulkar he never faced Akram that much.

 

Only great team he scored hundreds was Australia minus Mcgrath that too in Asia.He was iffy against SA also except one hundred I don't recollect him doing much against them away. It took Tendulkar 2007 to score hundred against Australia in Australia by that time Mcgrath was long gone.

 

 

Edited February 7, 2018 by putrevus

[Dada's Army]

24 minutes ago, kira said:

No one was near sachin's avg x strike rate combo at his peak

This is not a good way to measure things. You can get a dearth of talent in a certain timeframe, where there may only be 1 or 2 great players.

 

How many male tennis players were good around Sampras' peak? Compare that with Federer who's had to fight with excellent players like Nadal, Djokovic, and Murray to stay ahead( tennis' golden generation).

 

If you take your type of reasoning, you could say Sampras was a better player that Federer because he was more dominant amongst his peers. This would be a foolish argument.

[kira]

Too many stupid kids on this thread, too bad I am not a teenager anymore with too much time on my hands to waste on explaining simple things.

 

Will leave you brain dead kids with this gem from kohli

 

 

 

Start crying kids 

 

 

 

[Rasgulla]

Just now, kira said:

Too many stupid kids on this thread, too bad I am not a teenager anymore with too much time on my hands to waste on explaining simple things.

 

Will leave you brain dead kids with this gem from kohli

 

 

 

Start crying kids 

 

 

 

He was already told to enjoy retirement and have no plans about comeback like Afridi Honey boo boo

[Shunya]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

This notion that Tendulkar somehow faced far superior bowlers and dominated them is totally ridiculous.Mcgrath owned him like anything.I cannot recollect any innings of worth against Ambrose.Pakistan he was consistent flop till he rectified to some extent after both Akram retired to be fair to Tendulkar he never faced Akram that much.

 

Only great team he scored hundreds was Australia minus Mcgrath that too in Asia.He was iffy against SA also except one hundred I don't recollect him doing much against them away. It took Tendulkar 2007 to score hundred against Australia in Australia by that time Mcgrath was long gone.

 

 

You can wake up people who are sleeping, not those who are acting to be asleep. This glorifying the past and all this nostalgia and hype that people create is just a personal bias and a way to be in denial.

Kohli, Smith and few others have done plenty to be considered equal or better than what we saw in 90s.

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, Shunya said:

You can wake up people who are sleeping, not those who are acting to be asleep. This glorifying the past and all this nostalgia and hype that people create is just a personal bias and a way to be in denial.

Kohli, Smith and few others have done plenty to be considered equal or better than what we saw in 90s.

Smith in ODIs or Smith in Tests? In the latter, he is a genuine ATG but not yet there in ODIs (apart from the 2015 WC).