Bill Gates too becomes Modi Bhakt.

[narenpande1]

2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

India could've easily gone bankrupt like Argentina. Its not just 'hey guys, come invest, we will be saved' otherwise there would be no financial crisis in Venezuela or anywhere else, people would just say 'come, invest' and problem solved. 

Fact is, PVNR solved the economic crisis and made a bigger contribution to Indian economics than rest of all Indian PM's put together- BJP or otherwise.

The global opinion is, the two guys who made the biggest positive contribution to Indian economics is PVNR for enacting it and pushing it through politically and MMS formulating the actual plan. 

Modi is a nobody compared to those two. He may be #1 in 10 years- but that is not as of now. As of now, PVNR is the greatest Indian PM ever. 

 

 

It was a binary decision to be made, either we open up or stay a closed/quota economy. The second option did not work for decades and pushed us to the brink so the first option was exercised - so there was nothing visionary about it or something that pvnr " solved" as you are retardly attributing. Even a duffer could have tried option B if A was not working. 

 

Nor did it do anything innovative or visionary to make us more competitive against china in the manufacturing sector as you are again wrongly attributing.  We were neck to neck in 1991 when it was decided to open the economy  and now their GDP is 4.5 times ours in dollar terms or 2.5 times in terms of PPP. hardly a competition and so much for the " problem solved " by pvnr. 

 

It is only now that we are making moves to rapidly industrialize 

[Muloghonto]

24 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

 

It was a binary decision to be made, either we open up or stay a closed/quota economy. The second option did not work for decades and pushed us to the brink so the first option was exercised - so there was nothing visionary about it or something that pvnr " solved" as you are retardly attributing. Even a duffer could have tried option B if A was not working. 

 

Nor did it do anything innovative or visionary to make us more competitive against china in the manufacturing sector as you are again wrongly attributing.  We were neck to neck in 1991 when it was decided to open the economy  and now their GDP is 4.5 times ours in dollar terms or 2.5 times in terms of PPP. hardly a competition and so much for the " problem solved " by pvnr. 

 

It is only now that we are making moves to rapidly industrialize 

Ofcourse it is visionary to pick an option that leads to success over sticking with failure and more importantly, IMPLEMENTING IT.

Compared to that, Modi has done jack $hit. 

Results matter, not words. And PVNR has way better results than Modi or any other Indian PM. 

That is a fact. 

China's economy had been opened in 1979, not 1991. Regardless of what happened in China, the point is, FOR INDIA, PVNR has made the most decisive difference economically, of any other prime minister. 

 

[surajmal]

So called liberalisation wasn't done as a positive move that it should be deemed success. It was to prevent bankruptcy, suicide.... dissociation of the republic. IMF said, do this or we don't help you. They put a gun to India's head. Where the hell do you get your news from? 

 

And that mute MMS was doing nothing but following orders from his former employer World Bank. An eco undergrad could have told you what to do with the economy. 

 

PVNR is "great" because he didn't give a damn about his political career when he went about implementing the reforms and bulldozed whatever opposition came his way. Indians owe him for that...even if Congis have tried their damndest to lessen him impact on history. 

 

 

And IG? You effing kidding me? With all her super mandates, her defining, nay, only achievement is Bangladesh (everything else is negative - nuke belongs to Shastri) and she couldn't even leverage that into anything concrete. 

 

There is a reason for the saying "India has been functioning inspite of its polity not because of it". 

 

Correcting wrongs doesn't make you "best", it just means that at some point you proved that you are a human being not just any other animal. 

Edited May 1, 2017 by surajmal

[narenpande1]

1 hour ago, surajmal said:

So called liberalisation wasn't done as a positive move that it should be deemed success. It was to prevent bankruptcy, suicide.... dissociation of the republic. IMF said, do this or we don't help you. They put a gun to India's head. Where the hell do you get your news from? 

 

And that mute MMS was doing nothing but following orders from his former employer World Bank. An eco undergrad could have told you what to do with the economy. 

 

PVNR is "great" because he didn't give a damn about his political career when he went about implementing the reforms and bulldozed whatever opposition came his way. Indians owe him for that...even if Congis have tried their damndest to lessen him impact on history. 

 

 

And IG? You effing kidding me? With all her super mandates, her defining, nay, only achievement is Bangladesh (everything else is negative - nuke belongs to Shastri) and she couldn't even leverage that into anything concrete. 

 

There is a reason for the saying "India has been functioning inspite of its polity not because of it". 

 

Correcting wrongs doesn't make you "best", it just means that at some point you proved that you are a human being not just any other animal. 

Exactly. This @Muloghonto chap as always is totally wrong on facts and substance.

 

There was no foresight or vision behind the reforms - IT was out of compulsion.

 

I still think PVNR was an astute politician and patriot.

 

Modi has atleast made massive strides in tackling India's most chronic problems with  vigor like no leader ever before has.

 

the facts are:

1) unprecedented steps to tackle black cash holdings and making it impossible in the future by digitalizing the economy 100 % in the medium term.

 

2) Record construction of new roads, bridges every single year.

 

3) massive strides to make banking accessible to everyone.

 

4) record number of public toilets being constructed every year to make India open defecation free.

 

5) strong moves to make india a manfacturing hub - India is slated to continue topping  the highest inbound FDI country - for several years 

 

6)  he has landed a crushing blow to minority appeasement politics in this country.

 

6) strong moves to make India self reliant in defense equipment. 

 

7) record amount of power Being generated every year !

 

.. and many more 

 

these are realities on the ground in just 3 years. Just howling that PNVR is..... does not amount to anything.

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by narenpande1

[kubrickian]

On 4/30/2017 at 6:27 AM, narenpande1 said:

2) Make in India: Modi rightly understood that the best way to bring tens of  Milions of  jobs is by making India a global manufacturing hub, as new workforce enters the economy in Millons and can't be absorbed in agriculture and not educated enough to all get white collar service jobs. we missed this bus to China and are now poised to steal their share due to lower cost labor.

it seems like a simple concept but when PV Rao opened the economy with  MM Singh as FM( they failed to get manufacturing jobs by t

[kubrickian]

On 4/30/2017 at 6:27 AM, narenpande1 said:

2) Make in India: Modi rightly understood that the best way to bring tens of  Milions of  jobs is by making India a global manufacturing hub, as new workforce enters the economy in Millons and can't be absorbed in agriculture and not educated enough to all get white collar service jobs. we missed this bus to China and are now poised to steal their share due to lower cost labor.

it seems like a simple concept but when PV Rao opened the economy with  MM Singh as FM( they failed to get manufacturing jobs by the Millions and handed it to China on a platter )

It was the previous governments which were responsible for this. The right environment needs to be in place for investments and industries to flourish. Back in 91, India had very poor infrastructure, red tape, high illiteracy, poor health care. These problems still exist today but we have come a long way since. These are all hindrances to growth of industries and job creation. 

 

China was doing a lot of good work in late 70s and 80s behind the scenes in terms of building roads, bridges, highways, controlling population growth, reducing corruption, improving human development which didnt directly show in terms of economic growth but lead to improvement in growth later.

 

They were in the right place to exploit the off shoring jobs from the west and millions got employed. Importantly, significant people got jobs in high end manufacturing sector like making mobile phones, computers, semi conductors, other electronic appliances etc. which leads to much higher wages thereby leading to better standard of living.

Edited May 1, 2017 by kubrickian

[Muloghonto]

This is what sycophantism looks like. Comparing actual, concrete results with a whole bunch of hot air from Modi. 

Let Modi achieve results like PVNR before we can actually claim him to be better than PVNR. Whatever the reasons be, PVNR has the results. Modi has the speeches as of now. Nothing more. 

As for WB/IMF holding a gun to our heads- if that was so bloody easy to execute, then Argentina or Venezuela wouldn't have slid into bankruptcy.

 

[narenpande1]

11 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

This is what sycophantism looks like. Comparing actual, concrete results with a whole bunch of hot air from Modi. 

Let Modi achieve results like PVNR before we can actually claim him to be better than PVNR. Whatever the reasons be, PVNR has the results. Modi has the speeches as of now. Nothing more. 

As for WB/IMF holding a gun to our heads- if that was so bloody easy to execute, then Argentina or Venezuela wouldn't have slid into bankruptcy.

 

I have listed tons of achievements for Modi if you have the brains to understand what it means to run the administration of a nation. electricity and power, roads, banks accounts, toilets. Job creation by the millions for a young nation .These are all basic requirements. Just barking on and on about pvnr without good reasoning nor logic just makes you appear as a compulsive argumentative guy with zero substance 

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by narenpande1

[CG]

I have listed tons of achievements for Modi if you have the brains to understand what it means to run the administration of a nation. electricity and power, roads, banks accounts, toilets. Job creation by the millions for a young nation .These are all basic requirements. Just barking on and on about pvnr without good reasoning nor logic just makes you appear as a compulsive argumentative guy with zero substance 

 

Also better use of schemes by Congress like Aadhar .Lpg subsidy drain was a huge loophole.

[Muloghonto]

17 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

I have listed tons of achievements for Modi if you have the brains to understand what it means to run the administration of a nation. electricity and power, roads, banks accounts, toilets. Job creation by the millions for a young nation .These are all basic requirements. Just barking on and on about pvnr without good reasoning nor logic just makes you appear as a compulsive argumentative guy with zero substance 

 

Those achievements are dime-a-dozen bhashaans, nothing more.

Job creation by millions for a young nation ? By the same token, PVNR created orders of magnitude more jobs. Those are the simple facts. 

The guy with the zero substance is the guy who is trashing actual,quantifiable results with a whole bunch of hot air from the other guy.

Feel free to compare job creation stats of PVNR with Modi. Numbers do not lie.

 

[narenpande1]

6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Those achievements are dime-a-dozen bhashaans, nothing more.

Job creation by millions for a young nation ? By the same token, PVNR created orders of magnitude more jobs. Those are the simple facts. 

The guy with the zero substance is the guy who is trashing actual,quantifiable results with a whole bunch of hot air from the other guy.

Feel free to compare job creation stats of PVNR with Modi. Numbers do not lie.

 

 

Please show us these numbers since you are so confident in your retarded claims.

 

The global markets are responding to Modi's credibility as an administrator with record breaking FDI numbers ( world No.1 ). These numbers dont lie.

 

Clearly they know something than someone who just keeps barking pvnr.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 1, 2017 by narenpande1

[Muloghonto]

20 minutes ago, narenpande1 said:

 

Please show us these numbers since you are so confident in your retarded claims.

 

The global markets are responding to Modi's credibility as an administrator with record breaking FDI numbers ( world No.1 ). These numbers dont lie.

 

Clearly they know something than someone who just keeps barking pvnr.

 

 

 

 

You are the guy who brought up Modi's job creation as a factor, onus is on you to provide the numbers. 

My point is simple- it is a fact that India's economic miracle is created by PVNR. It was under him that India went from stagnancy to one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Therefore, PVNR mattered a helluva lot more than Modi. Pretty straightforward.

 

[Gollum]

Modi our best PM 

 

Guy is a fraud, more a salesman than an administrator. Well behind IG, PVNR, LBS, Nehru, ABV, Chandrashekhar, Gulzarilal Nada etc. He has done zilch after coming to power, all talk and no action. Only re marketed UPA's policies and presented it as his own. Sad thing is he has crushing majority in LS and by 2018 Feb will have majority in RS. Yet the sheer ineptness and spinelessness displayed by him offers no hope for the future. His international relations policy sucks, national security is in tatters, FOE is curtailed, Hindutva terror is being justified, minorities are in a state of perennial fear, society is divided, nonsensical issues like BMKJ and Gau Raksha are the order of the day...list can go on and on. I fear by the time he is done, India will be at a point of no return. Manmohan Singh was pathetic but that doesn't excuse the dismal performance of Modi sarkar. At least Congress had era defining leaders in the past, they have a rich legacy while BJP has done nothing comparable to that.

 

Modi is PM, Yogi Adityanath is UP CM. Waiting to see who will be our Pesident, Muthalik or Bhagwat or may be Sadhvi Pragya/Aseemanand. I voted for BJP in 2014(my 1st vote in any election) and am terribly dissapointed in this party. Guess NOTA is the only option going forward in the present political situation in the country. 

[Tibarn]

On 5/2/2017 at 4:46 AM, Gollum said:

Well behind IG, PVNR, LBS, Nehru, ABV, Chandrashekhar, Gulzarilal Nada etc

Only PVNR can be argued to be a better PM than Modi IMO, and as @surajmal pointed out, his great "reforms" were only because the country was almost going bankrupt. 

 

This isn't saying much, as all Indian PMs were garbage thus far, including Modi, but you included IG and Nehru, who were the definition of human waste made into PMs of a country. They are easily the worst two PMs IMO.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Tibarn

[Gollum]

9 hours ago, Tibarn said:

Only PVNR can be argued to be a better PM than Modi IMO, and as @surajmal pointed out, his great "reforms" were only because the country was almost going bankrupt. 

 

This isn't saying much, as all Indian PMs were garbage thus far, including Modi, but you included IG and Nehru, who were the definition of human waste made into PMs of a country. They are easily the worst two PMs IMO.

Brother this is too much. IG oversaw Green Revolution, 1971 demolition of our Enemy, nationalization of banks, developed a great friendship with Russia(esp Brezhnev) and many more. She had a few negatives but positives outweighed the negatives.

 

And Nehru is one of the greatest sons of India. He sacrificed a lot to get us freedom. Formed a National Planning Committee before independence, such was the vision of the great man. His 5 year plans, NAM, irrigation projects(Mahanadi, Hirakud etc), core industries like SAIL, Nuclear research(BARC), premiere educational institutes(IITs, IIMs, AIIMS), Indian Constitution, democratic values, Hindu code bills, Operation Vijay...list is endless. Ofc he messed up in a couple of places but again positives>>>>negatives. He was the guiding light behind modern India and just like a father to the Indian population. 

 

IG and Nehru weren't human waste, they were great leaders, esp Nehru. We should be forever grateful to Panditji for his remarkable leadership in an infant nation that could have imploded if any man/woman other than him was at the helm. 

[jusarrived]

On 4/29/2017 at 11:23 PM, Muloghonto said:

PVNR is the reason India is even thinking about competing with China and isn't a basket case like Argentina or Pakistan. Before PVNR's economic reforms, Pakistan was 3-4% ahead of us in GDP per capita- nominal and PPP. Since PVNR, in just 25 years, we have opened a 30% or so gap with Pakistan. 
Our 'India rising' is done by the policy of one man and one man only : PVNR.

This alone makes PVNR the greatest PM India has ever had. His policies are the cause of the greatest upliftment of Indians from poverty and illiteracy in recorded history. 

As for IG, her management of 1971 man- politically, internationally and diplomatically- could not have been done better. Showed more spine, gumption, smarts and strategy than any PM in history of India. So this makes her, the most accomplished PM in terms of international relations and strategic management. 

What has Modi done to supplant either one of these stalwarts, in either category ??

 

Nothing against pvnr, but I would love to know which specific reforms you think are the reason we have raced ahead against Pakistan which off course is a big achievement 

[Tibarn]

On 5/5/2017 at 1:09 AM, Gollum said:

Brother this is too much. IG oversaw Green Revolution, 1971 demolition of our Enemy, nationalization of banks, developed a great friendship with Russia(esp Brezhnev) and many more. She had a few negatives but positives outweighed the negatives.

 

And Nehru is one of the greatest sons of India. He sacrificed a lot to get us freedom. Formed a National Planning Committee before independence, such was the vision of the great man. His 5 year plans, NAM, irrigation projects(Mahanadi, Hirakud etc), core industries like SAIL, Nuclear research(BARC), premiere educational institutes(IITs, IIMs, AIIMS), Indian Constitution, democratic values, Hindu code bills, Operation Vijay...list is endless. Ofc he messed up in a couple of places but again positives>>>>negatives. He was the guiding light behind modern India and just like a father to the Indian population. 

 

IG and Nehru weren't human waste, they were great leaders, esp Nehru. We should be forever grateful to Panditji for his remarkable leadership in an infant nation that could have imploded if any man/woman other than him was at the helm. 

If you are still interested, pick whichever one you want me to destroy first: Nehru or Indira , I sincerely believe both are human waste.