Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Pollack said: Sandeep deserves a second chance. If he fails get over with it. You do realize his first "chance" was a T20 with a practically India A team under Raina when he was barely 20. Surely any youngster being given a chance should be given decent enough backing which gives him a chance to succeed. If they again give him one T20 and make a call on it, we are never gonna get youngsters. Give him a couple of series (6-8 odis) with the regular Indian team and then make the call - not a one off T20. Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Magneto said: Will soon get into the A team (LOI). 4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Can't figure out at all. Maybe the same reason likes of Rayudu were preferred over Jadhav Past international players, barring Murali Karthick, do not seem to be that impressed by him. Even Kohli, when asked specifically about him, gave a rather formal reply. Generally, he goes into great detail when talking about players that impress him. speedheat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Improve what though? He already is better than nearly all the other Indian pacers in shorter formats. Other than Bhuvi, Bumrah and maybe Shami (if he's fit but doesn't look like it playing for DD), I don't see any other Indian pacer better than Sandeep. Picks up wkts, has a decent ER and does the job more often than not. No pace No bounce Height??,(can't help),lol No natural seam moment(relies on conditions) No good yorkers No fast bouncer No decisive slower ones Let him improve in this first Has brain and control, that's it Got clobbered by zimboks vishalvirsingh and express bowling 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, Pollack said: This is his only issue. No. Aaron's main problem is lack of control. I have yet to see an over from him where he pitches all 6 deliveries on a good line & length. You will invariably see a wide & short delivery or one angling down the leg which are dispatched to the boundary. Not having control at this stage of his career is pretty damning indictment of the effort he has put in o improve IMO when even the likes of Unadkat have shown a huge improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: Improve what though? He already is better than nearly all the other Indian pacers in shorter formats. Other than Bhuvi, Bumrah and maybe Shami (if he's fit but doesn't look like it playing for DD), Don't judge Shami by the IPL. He was never good here. He is still bowling upto 145 k which would not happen if he were not fit for T20s. He is a different persona while playing for India. Quote I don't see any other Indian pacer better than Sandeep. Picks up wkts, has a decent ER and does the job more often than not. Unadkat has done better than Sandeep in this IPL. Edited May 7, 2017 by express bowling Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, speedheat said: No pace No bounce Height??,(can't help),lol No natural seam moment(relies on conditions) No good yorkers No fast bouncer No decisive slower ones Let him improve in this first Has brain and control, that's it Got clobbered by zimboks Three simple points... 1. Zimboks - One off T20 as a 20 year old kid. 2. Performance trumps everything. 3. We've already seen likes of Rayudu and Rahane over Jadhav so yeah performance in domestic does matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Don't judge Shami by the IPL. He was never good here. He is a different persona while playing for India. Unadkat has done better than Sandeep in this IPL. 1. That's why I said a fully fit Shami would be ahead along woth Bhuvi and Bumrah in shorter formats. 2. Sandeep has been doing this for the last 3-4 IPLs and 2017 is not a one off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
express bowling Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: No. Aaron's main problem is lack of control. I have yet to see an over from him where he pitches all 6 deliveries on a good line & length. You will invariably see a wide & short delivery or one angling down the leg which are dispatched to the boundary. Not having control at this stage of his career is pretty damning indictment of the effort he has put in o improve IMO when even the likes of Unadkat have shown a huge improvement. Aaron should practice in the nets under Kumble. That is the only chance he has of improving. Otherwise., he is done. Umesh and Hardik have improved their control significantly in a short time while practicing under Kumble and Bangar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, express bowling said: Aaron should practice in the nets under Kumble. That is the only chance he has of improving. Otherwise., he is done. Umesh and Hardik have improved their control significantly in a short time while practicing under Kumble and Bangar. No, I would prefer Kumble and company spend time and effort with someone who shows willingness to improve on his own. Umesh has done so in longer formats, Bhuvi has done so in all formats. Even likes of Unadkat and Sreenath Aravind have shown improvement this IPL. Spoon feeding doesn't work at intl level and if someone can't sort himself out and shows no improvement years after making intl debut I'm afraid he's not the right person to invest in. beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Three simple points... 1. Zimboks - One off T20 as a 20 year old kid. 2. Performance trumps everything. 3. We've already seen likes of Rayudu and Rahane over Jadhav so yeah performance in domestic does matter. 1. They were zimbabwe batters still he got thrashed and showed the signs of what's coming to selectors 2.you're wrong he lacks basic ingredients which is must for any pacer 3.Lol as usual you having brainfade non of the mentioned are bowlers Where is pace? Where is bounce?? Seam movement?? Yorker Bouncers He lacks all this Without this basic ingredients he will be clobbered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 32 minutes ago, express bowling said: Aaron should practice in the nets under Kumble. That is the only chance he has of improving. Otherwise., he is done. Umesh and Hardik have improved their control significantly in a short time while practicing under Kumble and Bangar. HE shud be told to concentrate on test cricket . He has issue so he has to conserve himself and play lesser games. Rather IPL he shud go to county and build his skill and confidence . In LOI he pretty one dimensional and there are many better options than him. Save urself fore the few test thats played in the year and give his 100% there.....thats the only way. IF two many formats are not letting his game n fitness settle well choose one format. Thats the only way i see for him....... Mosher 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: HE shud be told to concentrate on test cricket . He has issue so he has to conserve himself and play lesser games. Rather IPL he shud go to county and build his skill and confidence . In LOI he pretty one dimensional and there are many better options than him. Save urself fore the few test thats played in the year and give his 100% there.....thats the only way. IF two many formats are not letting his game n fitness settle well choose one format. Thats the only way i see for him....... He'll not get a county gig. May make it to one of the minor leagues, but why would he leave the IPL cash and go there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Lord said: have seen him bowl good yorkers when he first emerged. He does seem intelligent from interviews tbf.Maybe cant handle the pressure Sorry.Quoted you for wrong bowler.I thought you said that for Sandeep.I remember Sandeep bowling good Yorkers one season. Sandeep cannot handle pressure.Its his only issue. Aron has control issues not pressure. 55 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: No. Aaron's main problem is lack of control. I have yet to see an over from him where he pitches all 6 deliveries on a good line & length. You will invariably see a wide & short delivery or one angling down the leg which are dispatched to the boundary. Not having control at this stage of his career is pretty damning indictment of the effort he has put in o improve IMO when even the likes of Unadkat have shown a huge improvement. I mistakenly thought lord was talking of Sandeep not Aron. Agreed Aron has lack of control. Edited May 7, 2017 by Pollack Grammar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankit_sharma03 Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Magneto said: He'll not get a county gig. May make it to one of the minor leagues, but why would he leave the IPL cash and go there? he has played county before The way he is playing soon he ll b unsold. Better play a season or two n improve ur skill so u fetch a higher price Edited May 7, 2017 by Ankit_sharma03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magneto Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: he has played county before The way he is playing soon he ll b unsold. Better play a season or two n improve ur skill so u fetch a higher price I meant I don’t see any county picking him. Last time he was picked by Durham, he only got 2 games where he got only 3 wickets (2 tail-enders) in 3 innings. Average - 36. Hardly made an impression. Edited May 7, 2017 by Magneto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 3 hours ago, speedheat said: Where is pace? Where is bounce?? Seam movement?? Yorker Bouncers He lacks all this Without this basic ingredients he will be clobbered Performance trumps all. Sandeep has what it takes to outbowl and out-perform others. Sandeep's case is similar to how certain players like Rahane and Rayudu were preferred over someone like Jadhav coz he wasn't flashy or lacked "X factor". Same scenario playing out once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Performance trumps all. Sandeep has what it takes to outbowl and out-perform others. Sandeep's case is similar to how certain players like Rahane and Rayudu were preferred over someone like Jadhav coz he wasn't flashy or lacked "X factor". Same scenario playing out once again. That's wrong don't hide his limitations by the name of performance lol agreed he is a good performer but he also bottles it under pressure, also Pace missing Seam moment missing Bounce missing Hit the deck missing Quick tail in yorker missing Fast bouncer missing Good slower one missing All he has is brain and control other then that all other aspects are missing and selectors knows that that's why they ignore him again and again hell even dhoni who likes such type of bowlers also didn't pick him during his reigns, but for his hard work he do deserves a series or two only in t20 He is a big no for Odis and tests because he is liability after 2 overs and shyte in death, he only bowls to survive in deaths with no real intent. Don't be too obsessed with stats numbers etc be practical. Besides that he also don't seems to have a physique to survive odi or test match, his height is also lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 7, 2017 Author Share Posted May 7, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, speedheat said: That's wrong don't hide his limitations by the name of performance lol agreed he has performed well but he still bottles it under pressure also Pace missing Seam moment missing Bounce missing Hit the deck missing Quick tail in yorker missing Fast bouncer missing Good slower one missing All he has is brain and control other then that all other aspects are missing and selectors knows that that's why they ignore him again and again hell even dhoni who likes such type of bowlers also didn't pick him during his reigns, but for his hard work he do deserves a series or two only in t20 He is a big no for Odis and tests because he is liability after 2 overs and shyte in death, he only bowls to survive in deaths with no real intent. Don't be too obsessed with stats numbers etc be practical. Besides that he also don't seems to have a physique to survive odi or test match, his height is also lol. Whatever may or may not be missing, at least the performance isn't missing unlike others which is what counts. And I would take brain and control over any other attribute in a bowler, which as you mention is Sandeep's strong points Edited May 7, 2017 by Ultimate_Game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedheat Posted May 7, 2017 Share Posted May 7, 2017 Whatever may or may not be missing, at least the performance isn't missing unlike others which is what counts. And I would take brain and control over any other attribute in a bowler, which as you mention is Sandeep's strong points You're just too emotional poster it seems but the fact remains the same, he is still limited by international standards, dear he is good and deserves one more outing that's correct but please don't ignore other aspect as well other then a good performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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