StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, G_B_ said: So long as there are English and Hindi options for documents when it comes to the central gov, its not an issue. What i do take an issue with is people like the DMK in TN saying its Hindi imposition for eg when even national highways in TN have the texts for eg written in Tamil? I mean a Tamil person in TN can read the vernacular in Tamil and just ignore the Hindi bit. Ie no Tamil person is forced to learn anything. I was in Switzerland the french part and everything was written in German as well. The locals I interacted with said they dont speak a word of German but have no issues with German signs being put up as there are also French signs. From what I gather Germans in Switzerland speak German and English as second lang, French in Switzerland speak French and English as second lang and Italians speak Italian and English as second lang, yet there are no signs or anything in English. Its in French German and Italian. It was extremely odd. I could not understand a word of the signs but every local I could speak to in English. I mean look at the OP. How exactly is this Hinization when non Hindi speakers have the option of English? Or is he trying to stir things up. That's what the people where saying from the start but instead of doing that, They replaced English with Hindi. People are fine with Hindi being additional to Tamil and English, but Hindi replacing English is strictly no no for us http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2017/mar/29/english-goes-out-hindi-sneaks-into-milestones-on-highways-in-tamil-nadu-1587176--1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, StriKe said: That's what the people where saying from the start but instead of doing that, They replaced English with Hindi. People are fine with Hindi being additional to Tamil and English, but Hindi replacing English is strictly no no for us http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2017/mar/29/english-goes-out-hindi-sneaks-into-milestones-on-highways-in-tamil-nadu-1587176--1.html why? Keep in mind Baalu of the DMK was the minister for highways when this directive passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, someone said: And which culture does English represent? English cannot and will never represent India. Hindi is the best tool and the number 1 method to represent us and thus government is right here. Where am i saying we are following English culture ? Even we don't English to represent India. We are using English as communication tool for survival in this world. Hindi gives zero support for survival outside India. Quote Hindi is the best tool and the number 1 method to represent us and thus government is right here. For you, Not for AP/KA/Telegana/KL/TN states. Edited June 24, 2017 by StriKe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, G_B_ said: why? Keep in mind Baalu of the DMK was the minister for highways when this directive passed. Keep Hindi as additional so people from other states can understand. We don't want to learn Hindi which gives us zero uses for our employment and our future. If people can't understand Tamil, we can easily understand English because that's our second language in schools and it also helps tourist outside India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, StriKe said: Keep Hindi as additional so people from other states can understand. We don't want to learn Hindi which gives us zero uses for our employment and our future. If people can't understand Tamil, we can easily understand English because that's our second language in schools and it also helps tourist outside India. uuummm You dont have to learn Hindi. The sign is also in Tamil. 10% of people know English in India. 65% Know Hindi. So where exactly does this school angle come? Also, service sector jobs need English (probably). The majority of jobs India creates and needs are not in that sector. You think Chinese factory workers or farmers speak English or spoke English to be employed? Now you are just arguing for the sake of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, G_B_ said: uuummm You dont have to learn Hindi. The sign is also in Tamil. 10% of people know English in India. 65% Know Hindi. So where exactly does this school angle come? Also, service sector jobs need English (probably). The majority of jobs India creates and needs are not in that sector. You think Chinese factory workers or farmers speak English or spoke English to be employed? Now you are just arguing for the sake of it. You dont have to learn Hindi. The sign is also in Tamil. We also want signs in English, Why replacing with Hindi ? - > This is my question. Have you even been to TN? People are comfortable with English not with Hindi. Also, service sector jobs need English (probably). The majority of jobs India creates and needs are not in that sector. You think Chinese factory workers or farmers speak English or spoke English to be employed? Basic requirement for job is English, How come you don't get this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, StriKe said: Keep Hindi as additional so people from other states can understand. We don't want to learn Hindi which gives us zero uses for our employment and our future. If people can't understand Tamil, we can easily understand English because that's our second language in schools and it also helps tourist outside India. Note that TN is a part of Ind, where not everyone speaks in English Communications is a two way process where people from TN also have to interact with those in Ind who do not speak in English, and when Hindi is one of the official union govt languages You are writing as if TN is a country which does not need to interact with rest of Ind on a regular basis and that those visiting it would need to know Eng, and only Eng speaking Tamils would interact with those in rest of Ind who can speak in Eng In Ind, everyone should be able to get by knowing either Hindi or Eng. Ppl don't need to know both. Where these two languages are not spoken as a primary language, ppl should make an attempt to learn both and have signs in both languages, along with the local lang, at major tourist areas, biz areas, routes, etc. Edited June 24, 2017 by zen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, StriKe said: We also want signs in English, Why replacing with Hindi ? - > This is my question. Have you even been to TN? People are comfortable with English not with Hindi. Because Hindi is spoken and understood by a majority of Indians. Those signs in Hindi are also not for the people of TN. they are for outsiders who travel on TN's roads. The majority of the people outside TN speak Hindi. For the people of TN, there is Tamil to be comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rohit S. Ambani Posted June 24, 2017 Author Share Posted June 24, 2017 9 minutes ago, G_B_ said: You think Chinese factory workers or farmers speak English or spoke English to be employed? China is a giant, easily 20 years ahead of India. They have whole eco-system in Chinese from Internet search engines to their own Wikipedia. Don't compare them to Indians, Indians don't and cannot have same luxury due to sheer diversity. Why reinvent the wheel, when you can educate the upcoming generation in English and platform is set. StriKe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Just now, zen said: Note that TN is a part of Ind where not everyone speaks in English And communications is a two way process where people from TN have to interact with those in Ind who do not speak in English, and when Hindi is one of the official union govt language You are writing as if TN is a country which does not need to interact with rest of Ind on a regular basis and that those visiting it would need to know Eng, and only Eng speaking Tamils would interact with those in rest of Ind who can speak in Eng In Ind, everyone should be able to get by knowing either Hindi or Eng. Ppl don't need to know both. Where these two languages are not spoken, ppl should make an attempt to learn both They don't have to know English, When they visit TN for a job or settlement, It's better for them to learn the local language, Tamil if TN, Malayalam if Kerala, Kannada if KA. Same way if someone goes to Delhi from TN for work or settlement, He needs to learn Hindi to interact with people of Delhi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Rohit S. Ambani said: China is a giant, easily 20 years ahead of India. They have whole eco-system in Chinese from Internet search engines to their own Wikipedia. Don't compare them to Indians, Indians don't and cannot have same luxury due to sheer diversity. Why reinvent the wheel, when you can educate the upcoming generation in English and platform is set. I am not against any English education. You can learn both English and Hindi. Nobody says you have to write a thesis in Hindi. Just enough to get by in terms of communication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 27 minutes ago, StriKe said: Where am i saying we are following English culture ? Even we don't English to represent India. We are using English as communication tool for survival in this world. Hindi gives zero support for survival outside India. Haha, English doesn't help us survive in all parts of the world, yet we use it as for many parts of the world we can be fine with it. It's the exact same case for Hindi, it won't help us survive all of India, but for many parts we will be fine. Checkmate/ And what a loser mentality to say Hindi give zero support outside, does the Chinese, Arabic, Russian think like that? They very proudly use their language as many places as possible. Edited June 24, 2017 by someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Note that TN is a part of Ind where not everyone speaks in English And communications is a two way process where people from TN have to interact with those in Ind who do not speak in English, and when Hindi is one of the official union govt languages /> No offence it's for Tamilians to decide. Official language i for official government language purposes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriKe Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Because Hindi is spoken and understood by a majority of Indians. Those signs in Hindi are also not for the people of TN. they are for outsiders who travel on TN's roads. The majority of the people outside TN speak Hindi. For the people of TN, there is Tamil to be comfortable with. It's not. Please make a visit to TN/KL/KA/AP and check it with yourself. There is no much anger between the public in Bangalore and few areas in KA, That's migrants doesn't want to learn Kannada. You can check @velu also. Those signs in Hindi are also not for the people of TN. they are for outsiders who travel on TN's roads. That's what i keep saying keep Hindi as 3rd sign in milestone instead of removing English. Milestone can be like this right..So simple.. 1.Regional language of state( Telugu/Tamil/Marathi etc) 2.Hindi 3.English instead of this ^ we got this. 1.Regional language of state( Telugu/Tamil/Marathi etc) 3.English Hindi Edited June 24, 2017 by StriKe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Haha...So it has come to post deletions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautifulGame Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Because Hindi is spoken and understood by a majority of Indians. Those signs in Hindi are also not for the people of TN. they are for outsiders who travel on TN's roads. The majority of the people outside TN speak Hindi. For the people of TN, there is Tamil to be comfortable with. It's not that simple GB.There a long history and a very bloody one as well. What if a Malayali travels through the highway .Which is far more likely than a Bihari ? Why can't they have the sign in all three languages . That's why the paranoia comes when English is replaced with Hindi.Its always feels like a first step towards imposition and the unease steps in . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 1 minute ago, StriKe said: It's not. Please make a visit to TN/KL/KA/AP and check it with yourself. There is no much anger between the public in Bangalore and few areas in KA, That's migrants doesn't want to learn Kannada. You can @velu also. Those signs in Hindi are also not for the people of TN. they are for outsiders who travel on TN's roads. That's what i keep saying keep Hindi as 3rd sign in milestone instead of removing English. Milestone can be like this right..So simple.. 1.Regional language of state( Telugu/Tamil/Marathi etc) 2.Hindi 3.English instead of this ^ we got this. 1.Regional language of state( Telugu/Tamil/Marathi etc) 3.English Hindi ok lets me break this down (a) Clearly there are states in India where Hindi is not spoken (north east and south india) (b) But India as a whole 65% of people understand Hindi at some level. Before I move onto answering other parts of your retort. Can you please acknowledge this and stop using it as an argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 11 minutes ago, Rohit S. Ambani said: China is a giant, easily 20 years ahead of India. They have whole eco-system in Chinese from Internet search engines to their own Wikipedia. Don't compare them to Indians, Indians don't and cannot have same luxury due to sheer diversity. Why reinvent the wheel, when you can educate the upcoming generation in English and platform is set. And it's because they are consistent that they can't compete using western tools. We need also a parallel system to the West, and the language plays the essential part. Thus, Hindi needs to promoted more by the government in all opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, StriKe said: They don't have to know English, When they visit TN for a job or settlement, It's better for them to learn the local language, Tamil if TN, Malayalam if Kerala, Kannada if KA. Same way if someone goes to Delhi from TN for work or settlement, He needs to learn Hindi to interact with people of Delhi. Since Hindi is widely spoken / understood by a majority in Ind, the idea should be for ppl in Ind to be able to get by without knowing or making an attemp to learn a lang that is only spoken by a relatively small number of ppl and which is not going to be needed anywhere else except in those limited places If someone say from a rural village in North moves to Madras for 3 years and then tlto Cochin for 2 years, he/she should be able to get by w/o knowing Eng. Similarly someone from South should be able to converse with rest of Ind w/o knowing Eng Also the languages that you listed are not official union govt languages, and they are not as widely spoken as Hindi Edited June 24, 2017 by zen bari_olu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, BeautifulGame said: No offence it's for Tamilians to decide. Official language i for official government language purposes . Just learn Hindi anna. It will help you appreciate better quality Bollywood movies also. Totally culturally enriching experience. :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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