Reserve / Backup players available for Team India

[Ankit_sharma03]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Possible ...   if we get a front-line pacer who can bat at  7

 

Say, Nagarkoti or Mavi fits that role after 1 year or so

 

1. Dhawan 

2.  Rohit

3. Kohli

4. Rahul / Iyer / Rahane

5. Hardik

6. Dhoni / Pant

7. Nagarkoti / Mavi

8. Bhuvi

9. Kuldeep

10. Chahal

11. Bumrah

Nagarkotti n Mavi 7 , no way......the batting becomes really week and then u have hardik also at 5

Imagine mavi or nagarkotti against Rabadda, cummins or starc in the end or middle over.......I fear for guys like pant n krunal to be soon found out by these bowler so Mavi n nagarkotti still has a long long way to go

 

 

Its not solving any of our problem.

 

If we want to play 2 spinners, play them if the pitches are offering something or opposition has problem against spinners

 

What we can do is 

 

Play kuldeep as lone spinner n as wkt taker as i consider him more of a wkt taker then have krunal as 2nd spinner who can hold one end up very well. We keep forgetting Shami is wkt taking bowler and he will get u wkts every inning so he isnt a bad option

 

OR else keep playing 2 spinners and that will work in many condition n against many opposition .

 

World cup is still a yr ahead and we are thinking to ahead regd combinations, in this 1 yr who knws opposition might work out something against these 2. So we have to keep our options open and as of now regd somethings we need to go with flow. Bowling is least of our worry . Its no 4 n 6

 

[express bowling]

Actual Backup situation in October 2018

 

 

TESTS 

 

Top 3 --

 

1)  Shaw

2)  Rahul

3) Pujara

 

Mayank

Vijay

 

 

 

Upper-middle order --

 

4) Kohli

5) Rahane

 

Vihari

Nair

 

 

 

Keeper batsman --

 

6)  Pant

 

Bharat

Saha  ( badly injured  )

 

 

 

Spinner-Allrounders --

 

7 )  Jadeja

8 )   Ashwin

 

Ashwin /  Jadeja

 

 

 

Pacer-All-rounder --

 

7 )  Hardik

8 )  Bhuvi

 

Bhuvi / Pandya

 

 

Spinners --

 

Kuldeep

 

Nadeem

 

 

 

Pacers --

 

9)    Shami

10)  Ishant

11)  Bumrah

 

 

Umesh

Siraj

Shardul

Saini

 

 

Reasonable backups for all positions.

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

Actual Backup situation in October 2018

 

 

ODIs

 

Openers  --

 

1)  Rohit

2)  Dhawan

 

Rahul

 

 

 

Upper-middle order --

 

3) Kohli

4) Rayudu

 

 

Pandey

Pant

Karthick

Iyer

 

 

Keeper-batsman

 

5) Dhoni

 

Pant

Karthick

 

 

High SR batsmen - allrounders / finishers  -

 

6) Jadhav

7)  Hardik

 

No proper backups

 

Forced backups at  No.7

 

Jadeja

Chahar

 

 

 

Spinners -

 

9)  Kuldeep

10) Chahal

 

Jadeja

Axar

 

 

 

Pacers -

 

10) Bhuvi

11) Bumrah

 

Khaleel 

Shami

Shardul

Kaul  

Umesh

 

 

 

So, we have no proper reserve players for

 

1)   High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs.

 

 

 

Edited October 16, 2018 by express bowling

[express bowling]

 

ODIs --

 

 

So, we have no proper reserve players for

 

...   High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs.

 

With both Hardik and Jadhav injured ...  we have a weak No.6 and No.7 now. What will happen if the same thing happens during the World Cup  ?

 

How to solve this  ?  

 

1 )   We can bat Pant at 6 and Jadeja at 7. 

 

Strong No.6  but no 6th bowling option.  

 

Jadeja is a weak No.7 batter in ODIs.

 

We can not play 3 spinners in England.  If  Hardik is injured ... we have to drop Chahal and play 3 frontline pacers plus Kuldeep and Jadeja.  But we may not want to break the wrist spin duo combo.  

 

2 )  Deepak Chahar is not a batting allrounder who can replace Hardik.  Average of 13 and  low SR of 87 for a No.7 or No.8  in List A.  Highest of only 38.

 

A single innings of 39 in the IPL has suddenly made him an " allrounder ".

 

This does not look like a good backup.

 

3 )  @GautiMaan   was suggesting giving Hanuma Vihari  a chance in ODIs.  He can be the 6th bowling option  And his batting in ODIs has improved by leaps and bounds.  He played an aggressive knock of 95 off 99 deliveries in the VH Trophy wuarter final on a pitch with a bit of pace and bounce ... with the opposition having 3 sharp pacers including Siraj and a good spinner.  Top knock.

 

Vihari at No.4 and Pant at No.6  

 

We have the 6th bowling option and a big hitter at 6 with the mandatory Dhoni at No.5.

 

 

4 )   Keep an eye on Darshan Nalkande  

 

He is a pacer allrounder with decent pace.

 

Debuted this season. Just had the time to play  3  List-A matches but picked up 8 or 9 wickets.  And scored a very high SR 50+ on debut.  

 

 

5 )  Krunal and Gowtham -   Try the one in better form in the last 3 ODIs against WI.  

Edited October 16, 2018 by express bowling

[sscomp32]

Realistic Backup situation in October 2018

 

 

ODIs

 

Openers  --

 

1)  Rohit

2)  Dhawan

 

Rahul

 

 

 

Upper-middle order --

 

3) Kohli

4) Rayudu

 

 

Pandey

Pant

Karthick

Iyer

 

 

Keeper-batsman

 

5) Dhoni

 

Pant

Karthick

 

 

High SR batsmen - allrounders / finishers  -

 

6) Jadhav

7)  Hardik

 

No proper backups

 

Forced backups at  No.7

 

Jadeja

Chahar

 

 

 

Spinners -

 

9)  Kuldeep

10) Chahal

 

Jadeja

Axar

 

 

 

Pacers -

 

10) Bhuvi

11) Bumrah

 

Khaleel 

Shami

Shardul

Kaul  

Umesh

 

 

 

So, we have no proper reserve players for

 

1)   High SR batters-allrounders/ finishers who will bat at No.6 and No.7 in ODIs.

 

 

 

Can add kishan to the keeper batsman list. Not too far from national team.

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[express bowling]

17 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Can add kishan to the keeper batsman list. Not too far from national team.

 

 

Personally, I would love that.  Kishan too is a top talent ...  has had a good VH Trophy this year so far ... has made his case for a Team India selection.

 

But this thread is about the actual backups that the selectors have introduced ... see if the backups look weak ...  and suggest remedies.

 

If Pant looks weak in ODIs then Kishan is the next in line.

 

 

[rkt.india]

17 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Personally, I would love that.  Kishan too is a top talent ...  has had a good VH Trophy this year so far ... has made his case for a Team India selection.

 

But this thread is about the actual backups that the selectors have introduced ... see if the backups look weak ...  and suggest remedies.

 

If Pant looks weak in ODIs then Kishan is the next in line.

 

 

but issue is Kishan has mostly opened for Jharkhand while Pant is eyeing for a middle order slot sacrificing his opening slot in Delhi team.  He has specifically been asked by the selectors to play in middle order both in T20s and List A.

[express bowling]

6 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

but issue is Kishan has mostly opened for Jharkhand while Pant is eyeing for a middle order slot sacrificing his opening slot in Delhi team.  He has specifically been asked by the selectors to play in middle order both in T20s and List A.

 

Talented young batters should be able to adjust to different positions if they get a few games.  Only Openers in test matches and 6 and 7 in ODIs are specialist batting positions requiring a higher degree of specialization.

 

I would prefer talented batters like Rahul, Shaw and Kishan adjusting in the ODI middle order rather than mediocre batters like Rayudu and Karthick to occupy slots because they are used to middle order batting.

 

P.s -  Who would be your backups for Jadhav and Hardik  ?

[rkt.india]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Talented young batters should be able to adjust to different positions if they get a few games.  Only Openers in test matches and 6 and 7 in ODIs are specialist batting positions requiring a higher degree of specialization.

 

I would prefer talented batters like Rahul, Shaw and Kishan adjusting in the ODI middle order rather than mediocre batters like Rayudu and Karthick to occupy slots because they are used to middle order batting.

 

P.s -  Who would be your backups for Jadhav and Hardik  ?

There is no realistic replacement for Hardik as of now.  As a batsman who can bowl, we can try Vihari but he is at best a #4 bat, cant bat below that.  Anukul Roy is another option but it is too early.

[express bowling]

2 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

There is no realistic replacement for Hardik as of now.  As a batsman who can bowl, we can try Vihari but he is at best a #4 bat, cant bat below that.  Anukul Roy is another option but it is too early.

 

Hardik can't be replaced by a sufficiently experienced pacer allrounder as of today.

 

But we can introduce a big hitting spinner at 7 as backup.   Jadeja is not the ideal No.7 batter in ODIs, although his batting looks very interesting in tests these days.

[tweaker]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

P.s -  Who would be your backups for Jadhav and Hardik  ?

Vijay Shankar can be back up for Hardik.Knowing the selectors chances of Shankar selection are more than any newbie.

 

He is already in the queue as he has played some matches.

Taking Jadhav fitness concerns, Shankar seems a decent replacement

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

Vijay Shankar can be back up for Hardik.Knowing the selectors chances of Shankar selection are more than any newbie.

 

He is already in the queue as he has played some matches.

Taking Jadhav fitness concerns, Shankar seems a decent replacement

 

Shankar was the front runner not too long back.

 

But he did not play the 50 over Quadrangular A-team series ... and had a rather mediocre VH Trophy this year with the bat.  Only one big knock.

 

Don't know whether he is still the front runner. Otherwise, would have got a chance in this series, with Kedar and Hardik injured.

[GautiMaan]

Another good score with good strike rate in Deodar Trophy for Vihari

Will he be picked early or allowed to be wasted in domestics like Kedhar Jhadav for so many years

[sscomp32]

Another good score with good strike rate in Deodar Trophy for Vihari
Will he be picked early or allowed to be wasted in domestics like Kedhar Jhadav for so many years

Depends upon what kohli wants. And it looks like he wants no 6/7/8 to be able bat/bowl both. That's why he dropped kuldeep for jadeja. So unless vihari bowls few overs and pick wickets don't think kohli will pick him. This is the reason he favours hp so heavily.

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[rkt.india]

19 minutes ago, sscomp32 said:

Depends upon what kohli wants. And it looks like he wants no 6/7/8 to be able bat/bowl both. That's why he dropped kuldeep for jadeja. So unless vihari bowls few overs and pick wickets don't think kohli will pick him. This is the reason he favours hp so heavily.

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Vihari is not a #6 batsman.  He should be batting 4 and he can bowl good off spin as 6th bowler with Jadhav mostly on bed and Pant making his way, we wont have a 6th bowler if Rayudu keeps playing.